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Subject: Why do people say N6 is better?

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: Shellhead
I like Halo CE the best of all Halo games, but even I must admit that N6 is a better spartan.

Those that have read the books appreciate that the Chief was lethal as an individual and unstoppable as part of a team.

Noble 6's back story shows that he/she was lethal either way.

This doesn't make sense. You say Chief is lethal as an individual, N6 is lethal as an individual. Chief is unstoppable as part of a team, N6 is lethal being a part of a team. You're saying the same thing about both Spartans, so how does this determine N6 is better? Plus, Chief took down a whole Covenant Armada by himself, stopped the whole entire war almost completely alone by destroying the Halos, which led to destroying the Flood and whatnot. Chief is definitely better.


Um, he wasn't alone, he was always either accompanied by Cortana, The Arbiter, or Johnson and a squad of Marines.

Um, that's why I said "almost completely alone." Plus, what did a squad of Marines, or even Johnson really do? Not much at all. The Arbiter, was really the only substantial help the Chief got and that was only in Halo 3.

  • 05.01.2011 7:20 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
He is just referring to the fact that people shouldn't count the number of kills in the campaign cause it's not really accurate, I could just use the Target locator in ONI Base and have Six kill 20,000 Elites, Grunts, Jackals and Skirmishers in like a day and still that doesn't make him god, catch what I'm saying?


At the beginning of his post he says Chief has never been in a situation like that. That is just not true. But no, obviously you don't count the number of kills in campaign since the multiple play throughs just keep adding them up. Chief has more kills anyway so that's not really a fair competition regardless.


Never in any canon cutscene has he. And I've never fought multiple Zealots on any campaign level of the original trilogy. The most of that level of an enemy that I've fought in the original trilogy would be those two Brute Chieftains on The Covenant, and they are fought about 30 minutes apart.


The only instance I can think of fighting multiple Zealots at once in the Trilogy is in Halo: CE. Once you board the Truth and Reconciliation in the hanger, or whatever it is connected to the grav lift, the Zealots can pile up if you don't kill them quickly enough. So at one point I was fighting something like five Zealots all at once.

  • 05.01.2011 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Terrorist =/= Covenant.

This, right here. Killing human terroist is far, far easier than killing Covenant even when they don't have armor on.

Funny, I remember reading about John almost being turned into confetti along with the rest of Blue team by Terrorists.

And almost got skewered by a Major.

  • 05.01.2011 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedCom
The only instance I can think of fighting multiple Zealots at once in the Trilogy is in Halo: CE. Once you board the Truth and Reconciliation in the hanger, or whatever it is connected to the grav lift, the Zealots can pile up if you don't kill them quickly enough. So at one point I was fighting something like five Zealots all at once.


This guy's discounting everything that's not a cut scene though. Although that still puts Chief well above Six.

And, @Guyabove, Halo Legends is not any kind of canon.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 7:26 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2011 7:25 PM PDT

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Never in any canon cutscene has he. And I've never fought multiple Zealots on any campaign level of the original trilogy. The most of that level of an enemy that I've fought in the original trilogy would be those two Brute Chieftains on The Covenant, and they are fought about 30 minutes apart.


Well if we're only going by cut scenes, then Chief wins automatically. He destroys Covenant ships in cutscenes, and the Halo rings, and the Ark with all of The Flood on it.


I never said we were basing this argument only on cut scenes. I did not say that anywhere. Quit putting words in my mouth.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 7:25 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2011 7:25 PM PDT


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: Shellhead
I like Halo CE the best of all Halo games, but even I must admit that N6 is a better spartan.

Those that have read the books appreciate that the Chief was lethal as an individual and unstoppable as part of a team.

Noble 6's back story shows that he/she was lethal either way.

This doesn't make sense. You say Chief is lethal as an individual, N6 is lethal as an individual. Chief is unstoppable as part of a team, N6 is lethal being a part of a team. You're saying the same thing about both Spartans, so how does this determine N6 is better? Plus, Chief took down a whole Covenant Armada by himself, stopped the whole entire war almost completely alone by destroying the Halos, which led to destroying the Flood and whatnot. Chief is definitely better.


Um, he wasn't alone, he was always either accompanied by Cortana, The Arbiter, or Johnson and a squad of Marines.

Um, that's why I said "almost completely alone." Plus, what did a squad of Marines, or even Johnson really do? Not much at all. The Arbiter, was really the only substantial help the Chief got and that was only in Halo 3.


Plus Six had most of the same help in Reach that Chief got in the Trilogy. Six had marines and support from the standard military, and almost always had at least one member of Noble Team with her. And having Cortana isn't all that significant, as Chief did everything he did with her just as well without her in Halo 3. Even if she does open some doors and things for him he still has to do all the fighting himself, Cortana can't really help him fight, only provide intel and hack doors and lifts.

  • 05.01.2011 7:26 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedCom
The only instance I can think of fighting multiple Zealots at once in the Trilogy is in Halo: CE. Once you board the Truth and Reconciliation in the hanger, or whatever it is connected to the grav lift, the Zealots can pile up if you don't kill them quickly enough. So at one point I was fighting something like five Zealots all at once.


Sorry kid, those were just Stealth Elites with swords. They don't have shields in Halo CE. So no, they aren't that hard to kill.

  • 05.01.2011 7:27 PM PDT
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Simply because MC was lucky, sure there was a vast amount of skill and precision, but Noble Six attempted and almost saved Reach with little to no luck.

  • 05.01.2011 7:27 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

She can actually improve his reaction time, thus, make him better while fighting/shooting.

  • 05.01.2011 7:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: OrderedCom
The only instance I can think of fighting multiple Zealots at once in the Trilogy is in Halo: CE. Once you board the Truth and Reconciliation in the hanger, or whatever it is connected to the grav lift, the Zealots can pile up if you don't kill them quickly enough. So at one point I was fighting something like five Zealots all at once.


This guy's discounting everything that's not a cut scene though. Although that still puts Chief well above Six.

And, @Guyabove, Halo Legends is not any kind of canon.

Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.

  • 05.01.2011 7:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Never in any canon cutscene has he.


This implies pretty clearly that you only seem to think that cut scenes hold any merit.

  • 05.01.2011 7:28 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Terrorist =/= Covenant.

This, right here. Killing human terroist is far, far easier than killing Covenant even when they don't have armor on.

Funny, I remember reading about John almost being turned into confetti along with the rest of Blue team by Terrorists.

And almost got skewered by a Major.


Any other Spartan would have had mostly the same results against the Major in the Package. It's like giving a knight a katana and having him fight a samurai. The samurai will most likely win as he has trained with a katana and knows how to properly use it, just like the Major has trained with an energy sword and knows how to best and properly use it.

  • 05.01.2011 7:29 PM PDT

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Never in any canon cutscene has he.


This implies pretty clearly that you only seem to think that cut scenes hold any merit.


You're taking a small part of my original post, probably the most insignificant of it, and blowing it out of proportion. No, I never said that holds any credibility, I was just stating a fact. Move along.

  • 05.01.2011 7:30 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Terrorist =/= Covenant.

This, right here. Killing human terroist is far, far easier than killing Covenant even when they don't have armor on.

Funny, I remember reading about John almost being turned into confetti along with the rest of Blue team by Terrorists.


And it's outright stated Six, alone, completely wiped out bases like that.

Oh, and Chief had Mark IV there too.

  • 05.01.2011 7:30 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Terrorist =/= Covenant.

This, right here. Killing human terroist is far, far easier than killing Covenant even when they don't have armor on.

Funny, I remember reading about John almost being turned into confetti along with the rest of Blue team by Terrorists.

And almost got skewered by a Major.


Any other Spartan would have had mostly the same results against the Major in the Package. It's like giving a knight a katana and having him fight a samurai. The samurai will most likely win as he has trained with a katana and knows how to properly use it, just like the Major has trained with an energy sword and knows how to best and properly use it.

Fred did pretty well against those two Elites with his knives, he would've put up a better fight.

  • 05.01.2011 7:31 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Wait, nevermind Decepticon posted something similar and I thought it was my post....facepalm on my part.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 7:33 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2011 7:32 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedCom
The only instance I can think of fighting multiple Zealots at once in the Trilogy is in Halo: CE. Once you board the Truth and Reconciliation in the hanger, or whatever it is connected to the grav lift, the Zealots can pile up if you don't kill them quickly enough. So at one point I was fighting something like five Zealots all at once.


Sorry kid, those were just Stealth Elites with swords. They don't have shields in Halo CE. So no, they aren't that hard to kill.


Actually I just played that level quite recently, pal. And they were not Stealth Elites, they were all gold, and had a massive amount of shielding to whittle down before you could kill them. A Stealth Elite kicks off the whole Covenant killing party, but it's only one.

And I'm not a kid :P I'm 21.

  • 05.01.2011 7:32 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
She can actually improve his reaction time, thus, make him better while fighting/shooting.


Cortana? Yes, Cortana is his deadliest weapon. Along with that her information on enemy weapons and technology is practically unlimited.

  • 05.01.2011 7:33 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa
Any other Spartan would have had mostly the same results against the Major in the Package. It's like giving a knight a katana and having him fight a samurai. The samurai will most likely win as he has trained with a katana and knows how to properly use it, just like the Major has trained with an energy sword and knows how to best and properly use it.

Fred did pretty well against those two Elites with his knives, he would've put up a better fight.


I'll address both you and Snake here.

Fred is an expert with knives, and fighting an opponent with a knife is slightly different than fighting someone with a weapon you don't know how to truly use and exploit.

Fred may have indeed fared better because he has an expertise with knives and melee weapons, but ultimately I think the results would have been the same and he would be in much the same position as Chief at the end of the fight.

  • 05.01.2011 7:36 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Never in any canon cutscene has he.


This implies pretty clearly that you only seem to think that cut scenes hold any merit.


You're taking a small part of my original post, probably the most insignificant of it, and blowing it out of proportion. No, I never said that holds any credibility, I was just stating a fact. Move along.


Then why even state it at all? It's obvious what you were trying to get across. That because Six fought those Elites in an actual cut scene it makes it "more canon," than things that Chief has done outside of cut scenes. If that's what you're trying to say then it's a completely invalid statement, and if it's not then you included something in your post with no reason to it.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.

  • 05.01.2011 7:36 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedCom
The only instance I can think of fighting multiple Zealots at once in the Trilogy is in Halo: CE. Once you board the Truth and Reconciliation in the hanger, or whatever it is connected to the grav lift, the Zealots can pile up if you don't kill them quickly enough. So at one point I was fighting something like five Zealots all at once.


Sorry kid, those were just Stealth Elites with swords. They don't have shields in Halo CE. So no, they aren't that hard to kill.


Actually I just played that level quite recently, pal. And they were not Stealth Elites, they were all gold, and had a massive amount of shielding to whittle down before you could kill them. A Stealth Elite kicks off the whole Covenant killing party, but it's only one.

And I'm not a kid :P I'm 21.


Whenever I play it I find 2 dead elites in silver armor whenever I'm done. They're Stealth Elites.

If you can't take my word on it:
http://www.halopedian.com/The_Truth_and_Reconciliation#Shut_U p_and_Get_Behind_me..._Sir

No more than two sword-wielding Stealth Elites are fought on that level.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 7:38 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2011 7:36 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
She can actually improve his reaction time, thus, make him better while fighting/shooting.


If I remember wasn't it by only the very slightest bit though? Yeah sure any time shaved off will be better in the long run, but I don't think it makes all that much of a difference really. And my point still stand that he accomplished all the same things without her as he did with her.

  • 05.01.2011 7:38 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Whenever I play it I find 2 dead elites in silver armor whenever I'm done. They're Stealth Elites.

If you can't take my word on it:
http://www.halopedian.com/The_Truth_and_Reconciliation#Shut_U p_and_Get_Behind_me..._Sir

No more than two sword-wielding Stealth Elites are fought on that level.


Play it on Legendary, or possibly even Heroic.

  • 05.01.2011 7:39 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.

Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.

Fact is, Chief isn't a total badass. If it wasn't for Cortana on Alpha Halo, Chief would've activated Halo and killed everybody. Everyone's hero almost became the greatest zero.

  • 05.01.2011 7:39 PM PDT

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Whenever I play it I find 2 dead elites in silver armor whenever I'm done. They're Stealth Elites.

If you can't take my word on it:
http://www.halopedian.com/The_Truth_and_Reconciliation#Shut_U p_and_Get_Behind_me..._Sir

No more than two sword-wielding Stealth Elites are fought on that level.


Play it on Legendary, or possibly even Heroic.


It probably wouldn't be any different.

  • 05.01.2011 7:40 PM PDT