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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.


It's the truth. Legends is canon, and if you go beyond artistic license (The only major factor I've seen brought up canon-wise against legends.), it's fine.

Origins? cortana was shifting through a crap ton of data.
Package? Artistic license.
Babysitter? Now shown there was an ancient, wide spread human empire before the forerunners defeated them.

  • 05.01.2011 7:40 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.


Perhaps you'd be interested in this thread Halo Legends = Canon The only thing non-canon about it is Odd One Out.

  • 05.01.2011 7:41 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.

Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.

Fact is, Chief isn't a total badass. If it wasn't for Cortana on Alpha Halo, Chief would've activated Halo and killed everybody. Everyone's hero almost became the greatest zero.


Or been infected by the flood.

  • 05.01.2011 7:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.

Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.

Fact is, Chief isn't a total badass. If it wasn't for Cortana on Alpha Halo, Chief would've activated Halo and killed everybody. Everyone's hero almost became the greatest zero.


Or been infected by the flood.

  • 05.01.2011 7:44 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedCom
The only instance I can think of fighting multiple Zealots at once in the Trilogy is in Halo: CE. Once you board the Truth and Reconciliation in the hanger, or whatever it is connected to the grav lift, the Zealots can pile up if you don't kill them quickly enough. So at one point I was fighting something like five Zealots all at once.


Sorry kid, those were just Stealth Elites with swords. They don't have shields in Halo CE. So no, they aren't that hard to kill.


Actually I just played that level quite recently, pal. And they were not Stealth Elites, they were all gold, and had a massive amount of shielding to whittle down before you could kill them. A Stealth Elite kicks off the whole Covenant killing party, but it's only one.

And I'm not a kid :P I'm 21.


Whenever I play it I find 2 dead elites in silver armor whenever I'm done. They're Stealth Elites.

If you can't take my word on it:
http://www.halopedian.com/The_Truth_and_Reconciliation#Shut_U p_and_Get_Behind_me..._Sir

No more than two sword-wielding Stealth Elites are fought on that level.


I'm talking about this part http://www.halopedian.com/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Level#Into _the_Belly_of_the_Beast When you first enter the Truth and Reconciliation, not after you've freed Keyes. On Legendary at least five Zealots come during that time you're fighting the Covenant in that area.

And what setting have you played on? There are a lot more of everything on Legendary, which is what I was playing.

  • 05.01.2011 7:45 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.


It's the truth. Legends is canon, and if you go beyond artistic license (The only major factor I've seen brought up canon-wise against legends.), it's fine.

Origins? cortana was shifting through a crap ton of data.
Package? Artistic license.
Babysitter? Now shown there was an ancient, wide spread human empire before the forerunners defeated them.

Funny how I'm a brat for keeping the facts of Halo canon while dan just wants to ignore it.

  • 05.01.2011 7:47 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedCom
The only instance I can think of fighting multiple Zealots at once in the Trilogy is in Halo: CE. Once you board the Truth and Reconciliation in the hanger, or whatever it is connected to the grav lift, the Zealots can pile up if you don't kill them quickly enough. So at one point I was fighting something like five Zealots all at once.


Sorry kid, those were just Stealth Elites with swords. They don't have shields in Halo CE. So no, they aren't that hard to kill.


Actually I just played that level quite recently, pal. And they were not Stealth Elites, they were all gold, and had a massive amount of shielding to whittle down before you could kill them. A Stealth Elite kicks off the whole Covenant killing party, but it's only one.

And I'm not a kid :P I'm 21.


Whenever I play it I find 2 dead elites in silver armor whenever I'm done. They're Stealth Elites.

If you can't take my word on it:
http://www.halopedian.com/The_Truth_and_Reconciliation#Shut_U p_and_Get_Behind_me..._Sir

No more than two sword-wielding Stealth Elites are fought on that level.


I'm talking about this part http://www.halopedian.com/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Level#Into _the_Belly_of_the_Beast When you first enter the Truth and Reconciliation, not after you've freed Keyes. On Legendary at least five Zealots come during that time you're fighting the Covenant in that area.

And what setting have you played on? There are a lot more of everything on Legendary, which is what I was playing.


I generally consider the Normal difficulty setting to be most realistically analogous to what really happened. I doubt 5 Zealots really would have attacked him IRL. The Covenant wouldn't squander high-level troops like that if a single Zealot was running the whole thing. It doesn't make sense, logically. It is most likely a gameplay element utilized to make the gaming experience more challenging.

  • 05.01.2011 7:48 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.


I will call you bratty, because it makes me feel better about dealing with your behaviour. I'm not going to list off the numerous ways it's broken canon, even that sword fighting scene breaks canon. If you don't want to accept it, that's fine by me, but don't try to bring non-canonical things into a discussion about Halo canon.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
It probably wouldn't be any different.


Count'em up.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 7:50 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2011 7:48 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.


Perhaps you'd be interested in this thread Halo Legends = Canon The only thing non-canon about it is Odd One Out.


Since it seems our buddy didn't see the post.

  • 05.01.2011 7:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.


I will call you bratty, because it makes me feel better about dealing with your behaviour. I'm not going to list off the numerous ways it's broken canon, even that sword fighting scene breaks canon. If you don't want to accept it, that's fine by me, but don't try to bring no-canonical things into a discussion about Halo canon.


You never proved it wasn't canon and since you don't work for Bungie or 343 Industries, you have no authority to say "It's not canon". Don't come into a canon discussion if you're going to ignore canon.

  • 05.01.2011 7:50 PM PDT

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Count'em up.


I generally consider the Normal difficulty setting to be most realistically analogous to what really happened. I doubt 5 Zealots really would have attacked him IRL. The Covenant wouldn't squander high-level troops like that if a single Zealot was running the whole thing. It doesn't make sense, logically. It is most likely a gameplay element utilized to make the gaming experience more challenging.

  • 05.01.2011 7:50 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.

Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.

Fact is, Chief isn't a total badass. If it wasn't for Cortana on Alpha Halo, Chief would've activated Halo and killed everybody. Everyone's hero almost became the greatest zero.


Yes, Halo Legends is completely canon, except for Odd One Out. All the appearances in Legends may not be entirely accurate, such as Halsey's appearance, or the way Han looks, but that is just artistic license and nothing more. And Cortana is still recovering from Rampancy induced by the Gravemind in Origins, so her information is sketchy, even she admits it.

For the second part of your post, Cobra, nothing really wrong with it, but I will say that being a badass does not mean you are perfect, and I for one do not think that Chief is perfect, his flaws only make him a more realistic and believable character, imo.

  • 05.01.2011 7:52 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.

Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.

Fact is, Chief isn't a total badass. If it wasn't for Cortana on Alpha Halo, Chief would've activated Halo and killed everybody. Everyone's hero almost became the greatest zero.


Yes, Halo Legends is completely canon, except for Odd One Out. All the appearances in Legends may not be entirely accurate, such as Halsey's appearance, or the way Han looks, but that is just artistic license and nothing more. And Cortana is still recovering from Rampancy induced by the Gravemind in Origins, so her information is sketchy, even she admits it.

For the second part of your post, Cobra, nothing really wrong with it, but I will say that being a badass does not mean you are perfect, and I for one do not think that Chief is perfect, his flaws only make him a more realistic and believable character, imo.

Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.

  • 05.01.2011 7:54 PM PDT


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.


I will call you bratty, because it makes me feel better about dealing with your behaviour. I'm not going to list off the numerous ways it's broken canon, even that sword fighting scene breaks canon. If you don't want to accept it, that's fine by me, but don't try to bring non-canonical things into a discussion about Halo canon.


Well, we can't accept that there are canon issues if you won't list them. Cobra and Coma both have intelligence and a good grasp of halo canon, without bringing in petty "I don't like it, therefore it's not canon and breaks it!"

  • 05.01.2011 7:56 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa
For the second part of your post, Cobra, nothing really wrong with it, but I will say that being a badass does not mean you are perfect, and I for one do not think that Chief is perfect, his flaws only make him a more realistic and believable character, imo.

Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.


Yeah, I get what you're saying, just thought I'd throw out that being a badass does not mean being perfect. And I'm fine with disagreements over something really trivial like "who is the best Spartan" and such like that.

(I think this has been the most active I've ever been in one thread at one time XD hahaha)

  • 05.01.2011 7:56 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.

Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.

Fact is, Chief isn't a total badass. If it wasn't for Cortana on Alpha Halo, Chief would've activated Halo and killed everybody. Everyone's hero almost became the greatest zero.


Yes, Halo Legends is completely canon, except for Odd One Out. All the appearances in Legends may not be entirely accurate, such as Halsey's appearance, or the way Han looks, but that is just artistic license and nothing more. And Cortana is still recovering from Rampancy induced by the Gravemind in Origins, so her information is sketchy, even she admits it.

For the second part of your post, Cobra, nothing really wrong with it, but I will say that being a badass does not mean you are perfect, and I for one do not think that Chief is perfect, his flaws only make him a more realistic and believable character, imo.

Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.


And that is your opinion, and rightly so, because it is never a stated fact in any canon source that Master Chief is a badass.

  • 05.01.2011 7:57 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa
For the second part of your post, Cobra, nothing really wrong with it, but I will say that being a badass does not mean you are perfect, and I for one do not think that Chief is perfect, his flaws only make him a more realistic and believable character, imo.

Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.


Yeah, I get what you're saying, just thought I'd throw out that being a badass does not mean being perfect. And I'm fine with disagreements over something really trivial like "who is the best Spartan" and such like that.

(I think this has been the most active I've ever been in one thread at one time XD hahaha)


To be honest, I didn't get any sort of character attachment to John during the Trilogy's campaign, he seemed to robotic to me, but again, that's just me.

  • 05.01.2011 7:58 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa
For the second part of your post, Cobra, nothing really wrong with it, but I will say that being a badass does not mean you are perfect, and I for one do not think that Chief is perfect, his flaws only make him a more realistic and believable character, imo.

Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.


Yeah, I get what you're saying, just thought I'd throw out that being a badass does not mean being perfect. And I'm fine with disagreements over something really trivial like "who is the best Spartan" and such like that.

(I think this has been the most active I've ever been in one thread at one time XD hahaha)

In all seriousness, I don't care who the best Spartan is. They were all the best warriors of their era. I just don't think Chief qualifies as the best.

  • 05.01.2011 7:58 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa
For the second part of your post, Cobra, nothing really wrong with it, but I will say that being a badass does not mean you are perfect, and I for one do not think that Chief is perfect, his flaws only make him a more realistic and believable character, imo.

Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.


Yeah, I get what you're saying, just thought I'd throw out that being a badass does not mean being perfect. And I'm fine with disagreements over something really trivial like "who is the best Spartan" and such like that.

(I think this has been the most active I've ever been in one thread at one time XD hahaha)

In all seriousness, I don't care who the best Spartan is. They were all the best warriors of their era. I just don't think Chief qualifies as the best.


But he is the luckiest...

  • 05.01.2011 8:03 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: OrderedComa
For the second part of your post, Cobra, nothing really wrong with it, but I will say that being a badass does not mean you are perfect, and I for one do not think that Chief is perfect, his flaws only make him a more realistic and believable character, imo.

Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.


Yeah, I get what you're saying, just thought I'd throw out that being a badass does not mean being perfect. And I'm fine with disagreements over something really trivial like "who is the best Spartan" and such like that.

(I think this has been the most active I've ever been in one thread at one time XD hahaha)

In all seriousness, I don't care who the best Spartan is. They were all the best warriors of their era. I just don't think Chief qualifies as the best.


But he is the luckiest...

So? By that logic, Fred is the second luckiest seeing as he was the second best at everything thus making him better than Chief.

All that luck deal is, is a plot device to keep Chief from dying.

  • 05.01.2011 8:05 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You never proved it wasn't canon and since you don't work for Bungie or 343 Industries, you have no authority to say "It's not canon". Don't come into a canon discussion if you're going to ignore canon.


Well first...

Second, if people love tossing links to B.net threads around so much, here's a few threads that discuss where Legends followed canon and broke canon:


The articulately named, "-blam!- Halo Legends
just watched halo legends...
Here's some discussion from Halo nation pointing out it's breaches and adherences to Halo canon.

Oooo look! I can throw links around too! All of them exhibiting how the overall canon of Halo Legends is debatable at best.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 8:07 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2011 8:05 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You never proved it wasn't canon and since you don't work for Bungie or 343 Industries, you have no authority to say "It's not canon". Don't come into a canon discussion if you're going to ignore canon.


Well first...

Second, if people love tossing links to B.net threads around so much, here's a few threads that discuss where Legends followed canon and broke canon:


The articulately named, "-blam!- Halo Legends

Here's some discussion from Halo nation pointing out it's breaches and adherences to Halo canon.

Oooo look! I can throw links around too! All of them exhibiting how the overall canon of Halo Legends is debatable at best.


Were they made by Frankie O'Connor? if not then your argument is null.

  • 05.01.2011 8:07 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You never proved it wasn't canon and since you don't work for Bungie or 343 Industries, you have no authority to say "It's not canon". Don't come into a canon discussion if you're going to ignore canon.


Well first...

Second, if people love tossing links to B.net threads around so much, here's a few threads that discuss where Legends followed canon and broke canon:


The articulately named, "-blam!- Halo Legends
just watched halo legends...
Here's some discussion from Halo nation pointing out it's breaches and adherences to Halo canon.

Oooo look! I can throw links around too! All of them exhibiting how the overall canon of Halo Legends is debatable at best.

All I see is a bunch of nerds arguing, not evidence Legends isn't canon. I only presented a link showing Chief getting his ass kicked, I could just pull several from the books.

  • 05.01.2011 8:09 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
All I see is a bunch of nerds arguing,

That's a bit hypocritical don't you think?

not evidence Legends isn't canon. I only presented a link showing Chief getting his ass kicked, I could just pull several from the books.

Legends in and of itself is "canon," but many elements, scenes, and whatnot conflict with pre-established canon, much like that scene.

Sure, you could pull together some novel quotes if you'd like, because Chief has been fleshed out enough as a character to show some of his less glorious moments, where Six hasn't had that chance. And of course you can always just look to Reach to see Six have his ass handed to him once or twice. Like the Zealot knocking him down and Carter having to save him in the first level, or him just getting killed at the end.


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Were they made by Frankie O'Connor? if not then your argument is null.


All I can say is to take the time to actually read things. You don't need Frankie to tell you that Legends conflicts with the canon, you can see that for yourself. I've given you all you need to start on your way. You're welcome.



[Edited on 05.01.2011 8:15 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2011 8:15 PM PDT

Ah yes, from just glancing at those links I see -blam!-ing about artistic license.

Oh, and guys not understanding the settings at all.

"If that's kelly, why is she short!" when this was long before MJOLNIR armor.

Oh, and In WC? Six didn't get his ass saved. If you had bothered to notice, he was holding the Elite's wristblade-extended hand away just fine and punched the damn thing in the face. He wasn't in danger of being diced just yet.

[Edited on 05.01.2011 8:19 PM PDT]

  • 05.01.2011 8:16 PM PDT