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Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
All I see is a bunch of nerds arguing,

That's a bit hypocritical don't you think?

not evidence Legends isn't canon. I only presented a link showing Chief getting his ass kicked, I could just pull several from the books.

Legends in and of itself is "canon," but many elements, scenes, and whatnot conflict with pre-established canon, much like that scene.

Sure, you could pull together some novel quotes if you'd like, because Chief has been fleshed out enough as a character to show some of his less glorious moments, where Six hasn't had that chance. And of course you can always just look to Reach to see Six have his ass handed to him once or twice. Like the Zealot knocking him down and Carter having to save him in the first level, or him just getting killed at the end.


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Were they made by Frankie O'Connor? if not then your argument is null.


All I can say is to take the time to actually read things. You don't need Frankie to tell you that Legends conflicts with the canon, you can see that for yourself. I've given you all you need to start on your way. You're welcome.


We an debate the canon of Legends day and night, but at the end of the day, it is. Until otherwise, it's not debatable whether it counts or not.

  • 05.01.2011 8:18 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.


And that is your opinion, and rightly so, because it is never a stated fact in any canon source that Master Chief is a badass.


It's never stated that Johnson's a badass either, yet almost everyone will agree he's a badass...
My point being it doesn't have to be stated in a canon source for the adjective to be true. If it fits, then it is not a false statement.

  • 05.01.2011 8:24 PM PDT

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Thing is, Frankie was/is part of Bungie (and 343 if I'm correct) and he has already stated that Legends IS canon, so I don't see why a Bungie/343 Employee would say it is canon if it's not.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Sorry, it's canon. Too bad.


Somehow that's possibly the brattiest thing I've heard on these forums. Halo Legends breaks canon all over the place, if you knew things about the Universe, you would know that. In fact, there's even been entire threads dedicated to it's canonical breaches on this very forum.

Uh huh, it's still canon. Until Bungie or 343 Industries says otherwise, it's all canon, except Odd One Out, they said that one isn't canon. Call me bratty if it makes you feel better, but that won't make Legends go away.

Fact is, Chief isn't a total badass. If it wasn't for Cortana on Alpha Halo, Chief would've activated Halo and killed everybody. Everyone's hero almost became the greatest zero.


Or been infected by the flood.

I often wonder how well SIx would have faired in a similar situation.

For all we know Six may have never made it out of his first encounter with the Flood. This is all conjecture of course.

  • 05.01.2011 8:27 PM PDT

I'll say this again, -blam!-ing that it's not canon due to artistic license just shows how desperate you are to try to get it off the official canon.

Just like when people brought in the halo story bible to complain about Reach, it showed how desperate they were.

  • 05.01.2011 8:28 PM PDT


Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
I often wonder how well SIx would have faired in a similar situation.

For all we know Six may have never made it out of his first encounter with the Flood. This is all conjecture of course.


Well, if he had cortana with him (which is a 100% if we simple replace Chief with Six) the same in the infection form area.

As for the library, IMO, better. Simply because he's been described as fighting alone against large numbers of enemies and coming out on top.

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
He is just referring to the fact that people shouldn't count the number of kills in the campaign cause it's not really accurate, I could just use the Target locator in ONI Base and have Six kill 20,000 Elites, Grunts, Jackals and Skirmishers in like a day and still that doesn't make him god, catch what I'm saying?


At the beginning of his post he says Chief has never been in a situation like that. That is just not true. But no, obviously you don't count the number of kills in campaign since the multiple play throughs just keep adding them up. Chief has more kills anyway so that's not really a fair competition regardless.


Never in any canon cutscene has he. And I've never fought multiple Zealots on any campaign level of the original trilogy. The most of that level of an enemy that I've fought in the original trilogy would be those two Brute Chieftains on The Covenant, and they are fought about 30 minutes apart.

There are three Chieftains on Crow's Nest. The first in the motor pool (with the hammer), the next with the plasma turret and the last one in the command center with the fuel rod.

Your point is still valid though.

  • 05.01.2011 8:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'll say this again, -blam!-ing that it's not canon due to artistic license just shows how desperate you are to try to get it off the official canon.

Just like when people brought in the halo story bible to complain about Reach, it showed how desperate they were.


Indeed Legends is completely canon from a story standpoint. All the art may not be entirely accurate, but all the events of the stories, except Odd One Out, are all just as much canon as the books and the games.

And yeah, it is pretty similar to what some people are doing when they complain about Reach.

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chief was a spartan 2, he's trained to be able to go solo six is a spartan 3 and he was a lone wolf for quite some time, kinda amazing for a spartan 3. either ways, the recruit from ODST is arguably the most heroic.

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'll say this again, -blam!-ing that it's not canon due to artistic license just shows how desperate you are to try to get it off the official canon.

Just like when people brought in the halo story bible to complain about Reach, it showed how desperate they were.


how about this, EVERYTHING IS CANON!!!! sorry for caps

Indeed Legends is completely canon from a story standpoint. All the art may not be entirely accurate, but all the events of the stories, except Odd One Out, are all just as much canon as the books and the games.

And yeah, it is pretty similar to what some people are doing when they complain about Reach.

how about this? everything is canon!!!

[Edited on 05.02.2011 7:33 AM PDT]

  • 05.02.2011 7:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
I often wonder how well SIx would have faired in a similar situation.

For all we know Six may have never made it out of his first encounter with the Flood. This is all conjecture of course.


Well, if he had cortana with him (which is a 100% if we simple replace Chief with Six) the same in the infection form area.

As for the library, IMO, better. Simply because he's been described as fighting alone against large numbers of enemies and coming out on top.


Innies are nothing compared to the flood.And when did Six fought against large numbers,says his service record on b.net?All it says he goes solo and broke organisations and wiped out entire militias.But that doesn't proves that he met 20 innies head on.For all we know he could have used Nukes to destroy their bases,how else do they dissapear unless you piles up their bodys and burns them.

  • 05.02.2011 10:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
I often wonder how well SIx would have faired in a similar situation.

For all we know Six may have never made it out of his first encounter with the Flood. This is all conjecture of course.


Well, if he had cortana with him (which is a 100% if we simple replace Chief with Six) the same in the infection form area.

As for the library, IMO, better. Simply because he's been described as fighting alone against large numbers of enemies and coming out on top.


Innies are nothing compared to the flood.And when did Six fought against large numbers,says his service record on b.net?All it says he goes solo and broke organisations and wiped out entire militias.But that doesn't proves that he met 20 innies head on.For all we know he could have used Nukes to destroy their bases,how else do they dissapear unless you piles up their bodys and burns them.


Considering the fact (and I say it yet again because people don't seem to understand) Insurgentists almost killed John, Kelly and Fred, so if a single "supposedly inferior" Spartan III could wipe out entire bases similar to those, then I would say he is indeed superior in skills.

  • 05.02.2011 10:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
I often wonder how well SIx would have faired in a similar situation.

For all we know Six may have never made it out of his first encounter with the Flood. This is all conjecture of course.


Well, if he had cortana with him (which is a 100% if we simple replace Chief with Six) the same in the infection form area.

As for the library, IMO, better. Simply because he's been described as fighting alone against large numbers of enemies and coming out on top.


Innies are nothing compared to the flood.And when did Six fought against large numbers,says his service record on b.net?All it says he goes solo and broke organisations and wiped out entire militias.But that doesn't proves that he met 20 innies head on.For all we know he could have used Nukes to destroy their bases,how else do they dissapear unless you piles up their bodys and burns them.


Considering the fact (and I say it yet again because people don't seem to understand) Insurgentists almost killed John, Kelly and Fred, so if a single "supposedly inferior" Spartan III could wipe out entire bases similar to those, then I would say he is indeed superior in skills.


They put them unconsiousness with those plates.This can't be compared to a firefight,even a smart kid with those plates could put spartans into unconsiousness

  • 05.02.2011 10:38 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

That's what you get for relying too much in equipment, Mendez taught them that, but apparently lessons can be forgotten when you get a set of shiny titanium armor.

  • 05.02.2011 10:41 AM PDT

*Sigh* Of course, they'd just hand Six nukes before every mission right?

Answer is no. Nukes aren't stealthy, Nukes wouldn't make them 'disappear' without a trace. Radiation much?

  • 05.02.2011 10:44 AM PDT
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Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit

Why can't people say N6 is better?

Why is the Chief on such a pedestal? N6 is equal if not better than the Chief.

Ghosts of Onyx shows Blue team - that's 2 Spartan II's - getting captured and nearly fragged by a bunch of innies. If not for Kurt that would've been the end of Kelly and the Chief.

N6, single-handedly destroyed insurrectionist organizations and made entire militia groups disappear (through assassinations), gaining the reputation of a "lone wolf".

Not only that but Ackerson was so impressed by her skills N6 became his "personal reaper", that should carry the most weight in this argument, the man who despises Spartans, was impressed enough by 6's career record to make her his personal Spartan.

  • 05.02.2011 12:17 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Actually Six wasn't Ackersons "Grim Reaper" he/she was used as a "Grim Reaper" by a governor if I'm not mistaken.

  • 05.02.2011 12:21 PM PDT
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I stand corrected. Where did I get Ackerson from?

  • 05.02.2011 12:22 PM PDT

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I don't know, but I doubt Ackerson was Six's superior, if he was, it would have been really difficult to take Six away from his grasp.

  • 05.02.2011 12:29 PM PDT

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They are brothers, after all. So I assume they'd be pretty evenly matched.

  • 05.02.2011 12:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Snake Archer
Why can't people say N6 is better?

Why is the Chief on such a pedestal? N6 is equal if not better than the Chief.

Ghosts of Onyx shows Blue team - that's 2 Spartan II's - getting captured and nearly fragged by a bunch of innies. If not for Kurt that would've been the end of Kelly and the Chief.

N6, single-handedly destroyed insurrectionist organizations and made entire militia groups disappear (through assassinations), gaining the reputation of a "lone wolf".

Not only that but Ackerson was so impressed by her skills N6 became his "personal reaper", that should carry the most weight in this argument, the man who despises Spartans, was impressed enough by 6's career record to make her his personal Spartan.



Most people place such high regard on Chief because of what he has done throughout the events of the trilogy. Something I doubt any Spartan but Noble Six could truly pull off. I personally think Chief is the best Spartan, and if Six had survived Reach she would be as well or a damn close contender for the title of "best".

And Ackerson didn't really despise Spartans, otherwise he would not have made his own, he hated Halsey and by extension the SIIs, and he also thought that the SIIs were way too expensive to create and maintain to be truly effective in the long, plus he thought he could do a better job.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I don't know, but I doubt Ackerson was Six's superior, if he was, it would have been really difficult to take Six away from his grasp.


I got it from a previous Universe thread. I took conjecture as fact.

Still, in spite of this, it might yet have some merit.

Holland might have had some leverage over Ackerson making him transfer 6 to Noble.

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Posted by: Snake Archer
Why can't people say N6 is better?

Why is the Chief on such a pedestal? N6 is equal if not better than the Chief.

Ghosts of Onyx shows Blue team - that's 2 Spartan II's - getting captured and nearly fragged by a bunch of innies. If not for Kurt that would've been the end of Kelly and the Chief.

N6, single-handedly destroyed insurrectionist organizations and made entire militia groups disappear (through assassinations), gaining the reputation of a "lone wolf".

Not only that but Ackerson was so impressed by her skills N6 became his "personal reaper", that should carry the most weight in this argument, the man who despises Spartans, was impressed enough by 6's career record to make her his personal Spartan.



Most people place such high regard on Chief because of what he has done throughout the events of the trilogy. Something I doubt any Spartan but Noble Six could truly pull off. I personally think Chief is the best Spartan, and if Six had survived Reach she would be as well or a damn close contender for the title of "best".

And Ackerson didn't really despise Spartans, otherwise he would not have made his own, he hated Halsey and by extension the SIIs, and he also thought that the SIIs were way too expensive to create and maintain to be truly effective in the long, plus he thought he could do a better job.


We'll never know how 6 would have faired during the events of Halo, she would be at an immediate disadvantage, not having the upgraded implants, allowing her armour to house an AI.

I should have rephrased, he despised how Halsey and the II's were deployed and used, on top of the Spartan II project sapping his funding.

  • 05.02.2011 1:01 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Snake Archer
Why can't people say N6 is better?

Why is the Chief on such a pedestal? N6 is equal if not better than the Chief.

Ghosts of Onyx shows Blue team - that's 2 Spartan II's - getting captured and nearly fragged by a bunch of innies. If not for Kurt that would've been the end of Kelly and the Chief.

N6, single-handedly destroyed insurrectionist organizations and made entire militia groups disappear (through assassinations), gaining the reputation of a "lone wolf".

Not only that but Ackerson was so impressed by her skills N6 became his "personal reaper", that should carry the most weight in this argument, the man who despises Spartans, was impressed enough by 6's career record to make her his personal Spartan.



Most people place such high regard on Chief because of what he has done throughout the events of the trilogy. Something I doubt any Spartan but Noble Six could truly pull off. I personally think Chief is the best Spartan, and if Six had survived Reach she would be as well or a damn close contender for the title of "best".

And Ackerson didn't really despise Spartans, otherwise he would not have made his own, he hated Halsey and by extension the SIIs, and he also thought that the SIIs were way too expensive to create and maintain to be truly effective in the long, plus he thought he could do a better job.


We'll never know how 6 would have faired during the events of Halo, she would be at an immediate disadvantage, not having the upgraded implants, allowing her armour to house an AI.

I should have rephrased, he despised how Halsey and the II's were deployed and used, on top of the Spartan II project sapping his funding.


Indeed, we'll never really know how Six would have done, we can make accurate guesses, but yeah, we don't really know.

Ok, I've done similarly before. I get what you mean now.

  • 05.02.2011 1:05 PM PDT