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Subject: Why do people say N6 is better?

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Best Spartan In order:
S-117
Kurt-051
Noble 6
Kelly


Lolwat

Peoples skill dosent help you in a fight.

  • 05.02.2011 1:18 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Best Spartan In order:
S-117
Kurt-051
Noble 6
Kelly


Lolwat

Peoples skill dosent help you in a fight.


Yep, because that's the only thing that stands out about him.

I mean, his sense of a trap ahead is worthless right? It certainly didn't save Blue team from being killed/captured.

  • 05.02.2011 1:29 PM PDT
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Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Best Spartan In order:
S-117
Kurt-051
Noble 6
Kelly


Lolwat

Peoples skill dosent help you in a fight.


Yep, because that's the only thing that stands out about him.

I mean, his sense of a trap ahead is worthless right? It certainly didn't save Blue team from being killed/captured.


Sarcasm detected.

I'd say Kurt's people skills are actually a tactical advantage, especially up against innies, relating to your opponent makes you better equipped to counter any advantage they have.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.



  • 05.02.2011 3:56 PM PDT


Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."
Source

Also, How do you explain the fact that Six can't jump as high or run as fast as MC in-game?


[Edited on 05.02.2011 4:41 PM PDT]

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Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."
Source

Also, How do you explain the fact that Six can't jump as high or run as fast as MC in-game?

Game mechanics. They're both wearing Mjolner so their shouldn't be any difference.

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Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."
Source

Also, How do you explain the fact that Six can't jump as high or run as fast as MC in-game?

Game mechanics. They're both wearing Mjolner so their shouldn't be any difference.

Game Mechanics? So Bungie just decided to make them weaker/slower in game on a whim? I'm pretty sure that III's are supposed to be weaker/slower than II's. However, they were more numerous as well as cheaper to produce/train.

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Am I missing something?

  • 05.02.2011 5:29 PM PDT

Posted by: AquaBlader
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Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."
Source

Also, How do you explain the fact that Six can't jump as high or run as fast as MC in-game?

Wasn't MC the same speed when he was wearing Mark V?

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Posted by: hadlermaster

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."
Source

Also, How do you explain the fact that Six can't jump as high or run as fast as MC in-game?

Wasn't MC the same speed when he was wearing Mark V?

Good Point. However, I believe that S-III's are by nature, due to the differences in their augmentation, slower/weaker than S-II's.
Which seems to be in line with the sources I've been exposed to.


[Edited on 05.02.2011 5:42 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2011 5:37 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: hadlermaster

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."
Source

Also, How do you explain the fact that Six can't jump as high or run as fast as MC in-game?

Wasn't MC the same speed when he was wearing Mark V?

Good Point. However, I believe that S-III's are by nature, due to the differences in their augmentation, slower/weaker than S-II's.
Which seems to be in line with the sources I've been exposed to.

Kelly noted that in a fight with Lucy, a Spartan-III, she was moving very fast despite wearing SPI armor, which I may add did not enhance it's user's abilities.

Kelly beat her, but for a small Spartan who was "weaker", she managed to block and grab Kelly's blows for a good while. So this S-II's are better/stronger/faster deal is debatable.

  • 05.02.2011 5:45 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: hadlermaster

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."
Source

Also, How do you explain the fact that Six can't jump as high or run as fast as MC in-game?

Wasn't MC the same speed when he was wearing Mark V?

Good Point. However, I believe that S-III's are by nature, due to the differences in their augmentation, slower/weaker than S-II's.


All of you guys have overseen one specific IMPORTANT factor that seperates the S-II from S-III.

The S-II's were genetically superior, they had humanity best traits. The S-III didn't have that luxury due to the constrants in time, funding and available candidates.

No matter how much training they the S-IIIs had, it was nothing a S-II could'nt do. That's why Halsey knew that these S-IIIs would never achieve as much as her S-IIs, if you read the Ghost of Onyx.

It's like getting an average kid and then teaching him physics. Compared to getting Einstein himself and teaching him physics.

They either have it or they don't.

Some S-IIIs may be genetically superior, some may not. But ALL S-IIs are Genetically Superior.

Why does this ALWAYS get overlooked in the Bungie universe.

[Edited on 05.02.2011 5:51 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2011 5:49 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Why does this ALWAYS get overlooked in the Bungie universe.

May I introduce you to the concepts of the opinion and the interpretation? Sure, the S-IIs were, as a whole, "better", but the S-IIIs weren't too far off in terms of quality. It's just not fair to give the S-IIs an overwhelming victory in terms of quality.

  • 05.02.2011 5:52 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Am I missing something?

Yes, My recent post.

  • 05.02.2011 5:52 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ninjakenzen
Why does this ALWAYS get overlooked in the Bungie universe.

May I introduce you to the concepts of the opinion and the interpretation? Sure, the S-IIs were, as a whole, "better", but the S-IIIs weren't too far off in terms of quality. It's just not fair to give the S-IIs an overwhelming victory in terms of quality.


No, they are not as far in terms of quality. But the principle of taking someone who has the trait of say Usain Bolt, and then training him in track compared to taking someone from a random street. Makes a Huge difference.

In terms of augmentation and training. It was almost identical.

The Spartan-IIs however had recived specialised, nurtured training. While the S-IIIs were more focused on pumping out each candidate as fast as possible.

There's a difference when one group is being heavily focused by the likes of Halsey, Mendez etc and had extensive training over the couse of many years. A smaller group.

When compared to, a much LARGER class composed of many different groups, reduced funding. Training by Mendez and Kurt.(A positive thing)under the wing of Ackerson(Very bad thing), Improved augmentation rates(*) but a wider gene pool. Reduced amounts of extensive training. etc

The S-IIIs by all means ARE Spartans. But as a whole, the Spartan-IIs are just a different breed. A breed that had been fortunate enough to train under a circumstance not desperate and limited by funding and overpopulation. The S-II's by design,were meant to be a select few, the best of the best.

The S-IIIs had a different purpose. Produce as much as possible, with the best training possible at that time.
The difference here is, anyone can join(That is meeting the age requirement).

In conclusion:

From the very start the S-IIs were designed to be Humanity's best, the very BEST humanity can achieve under this time period.Funding for this was the single most expensive. However EACH candidate was extremely important,Bigger emphasis on Quality<Quantity.

The S-IIIs were proposed as Cheap Disposable Soldiers, with the very best training and augmentation that the UNSC can provide.
However the emphasis on this program was Quantity > Quality.
They wanted as much as possible over a shorter time frame.

This WILL reflect on the S-IIIs ability compared to the S-IIs.

However they are still Spartans.
They have similar training, augmentations etc.

Just under very different conditions.

These conditions just cannot be ignored, as a whole the S-III program will never compare to the S-II, also noted by Halsey in Ghost of Onyx. But it doesn't make them crap or anything. Being a Spartan alone, is and always will be in the Halo universe be the best human military unit.


[Edited on 05.02.2011 6:16 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2011 6:02 PM PDT

I believe we don't have enough information about B312 to compare him/her to the 117. You've had 10 years of information about John, his flaws, failures, achievements, etc. vs Six's few lines about his/her past and Halo Reach.

  • 05.02.2011 6:07 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't SPARTAN II's by nature superior to III's?
due to their greater, albeit more lethal,levels of augmentation?

I mean, II's Jump higher, run faster, hit harder, and have quicker reflexes.





No. They are superior due to experience, not augmentations.
"The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but weaker with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs."
Source

Also, How do you explain the fact that Six can't jump as high or run as fast as MC in-game?


The SPARTAN-IIIs underwent enhancement procedures similar to those of the SPARTAN-IIs, but with higher success rates due to advancements in technology. The rate of survival went up from 44% for the SPARTAN-IIs to 100% for the SPARTAN-IIIs.

Try again.

  • 05.02.2011 6:47 PM PDT

S3 training is labeled as better to the S2 training as well.

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S II's had way better training and went through so much more stuff.

  • 05.03.2011 8:01 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
S II's had way better training and went through so much more stuff.


Not sure if serious...

  • 05.03.2011 8:04 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Eh, that's fair. However, after reading about his many failings in combat, I just can't buy his superior badassness.

Not a word, but you get it.


And that is your opinion, and rightly so, because it is never a stated fact in any canon source that Master Chief is a badass.


It's never stated that Johnson's a badass either, yet almost everyone will agree he's a badass...
My point being it doesn't have to be stated in a canon source for the adjective to be true. If it fits, then it is not a false statement.


Master Chief has only been referred to as the best SPARTAN by Halsey. He is more renown as the luckiest. Based on the facts presented in the books, Kurt was the best, whereas Chief was the luckiest. He is still my favorite, don't get me wrong, but because he is my favorite I know he is not the best SPARTAN, just the luckiest.

It is because he is so flawed that he is my favorite. Other than his death, B312 was a flawless character, the best in every way, which is why I don't like him so much.

[Edited on 05.03.2011 8:09 PM PDT]

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Is there any background about Spartan III's and what they had gone through or anything?

  • 05.03.2011 8:09 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
Is there any background about Spartan III's and what they had gone through or anything?


Well, they were forced to paradrop in the middle of the night when they first arrived to Onyx, take in mind that some were 4 years old.

They had pretty much the same training that the Spartan II's had minus the academics.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
Is there any background about Spartan III's and what they had gone through or anything?


Well, they were forced to paradrop in the middle of the night when they first arrived to Onyx, take in mind that some were 4 years old.

They had pretty much the same training that the Spartan II's had minus the academics.


really? see i had no idea thanks dude. so why do a lot of people hate on them?

  • 05.03.2011 8:14 PM PDT