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Subject: Why do people say N6 is better?

Posted by: keeno 111

Posted by: Nameless Oracle

Posted by: keeno 111
Look out it's the spartan III defence force, Can't admit they were disposable soldiers and that spartan II's were seperior in every single way.

Except they really weren't. When it came to effectiveness on the field the only real difference between the two were that the II's had more experience, mjolner, and weren't commanded by retards.


They only had the same effectiveness because they had so many numbers, and nearly every mission they all die. The huge difference was the death rate of the II's and III's that defines the difference between boths quality.

Quality > Quantity.


UNSC only had 33 Spartan II's, with each Spartan costing the equivalent of a small battlegroup..

300 Spartan III's which have cheaper superior augmentations, but cheap ineffective armor. Costing the same as a small battlegroup.

I know which group makes more sense to send on suicide missions.

  • 05.05.2011 5:05 AM PDT


Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: zepedrodel
Chief - sitting in the PoA not doing -blam!-
6 - refuse to go in the PoA and survive just to protect it and save Chief's lazy ass.
I think this is why.


We don't know what Chief was doing while the Autumn was on the ground, he may have been on the Autumn, but it certainly wouldn't be from choice. I very highly doubt that he would remain voluntarily on the Autumn while fighting was going on all around it. I think that if he was on the ship, then it probably would have been because Keyes ordered him to stay there.

Read the fall of reach, and honestly halo reach really messed up the canon


I have read TFoR, I was talking about what Chief was doing while the Autumn was on Reach. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, Reach really did not mess anything up seriously. The biggest change was the length of the Battle of Reach, and even that really didn't change anything significantly.

  • 05.05.2011 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: zepedrodel
Chief - sitting in the PoA not doing -blam!-
6 - refuse to go in the PoA and survive just to protect it and save Chief's lazy ass.
I think this is why.


We don't know what Chief was doing while the Autumn was on the ground, he may have been on the Autumn, but it certainly wouldn't be from choice. I very highly doubt that he would remain voluntarily on the Autumn while fighting was going on all around it. I think that if he was on the ship, then it probably would have been because Keyes ordered him to stay there.

Read the fall of reach, and honestly halo reach really messed up the canon


I have read TFoR, I was talking about what Chief was doing while the Autumn was on Reach. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, Reach really did not mess anything up seriously. The biggest change was the length of the Battle of Reach, and even that really didn't change anything significantly.

This.

If anything, Reach makes the canon make more sense.

  • 05.05.2011 7:46 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: keeno 111
Look out it's the spartan III defence force, Can't admit they were disposable soldiers and that spartan II's were seperior in every single way.

I like the way kat died, Didn't even scan the area just started sprinting to the bunker. What about Noble 6?? he just sat in one area for a last stand instead of trying to hi-jack a banshee or moving to try find transport off the planet. Emile didn't check hes surroundings before hes death. Carter could of easily jumped out the back of the pelican before it crashed...

One has to wonder, is there a mantal issue with spartan III's???


Look it's the Spartan II defense force, can't admit that Spartan III's are as good as Spartan II's.

Alright, next time I'm running from a sudden explosion or something similar I will stop to inspect my surroundings, real smart, so Kat's dead, justified.

Reach had fallen, what use would Six have for a Banshee? It's not like the regular Banshee can come in contact with vacuum and Space variants are meant for Space, so no way of getting one in Reach, there were no more transports in Reach either, so Noble Six, check.

If you ever watched the cut-scene properly instead of being like, what a retard, he got stabbed, you'd see that the Zealot fell right on top of the gun, out of the sight of Emile, he killed the other Zealot but guess what, there were other 3 below so he most likely was paying attention to them instead of noticing the (most probably) slow moving Zealot, so Emile, check.

You have to be mentally challenged if you think Carter would have survived, he was badly wounded, he knew he would not make it and he would just slow down both Emile and Six, so he did what a good leader does, put his team before himself.

Next time you try to make an argument, make sure it's plausible, instead of just saying non-coherent things, m'kay?

  • 05.05.2011 8:02 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: keeno 111

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: keeno 111
Look out it's the spartan III defence force, Can't admit they were disposable soldiers and that spartan II's were seperior in every single way.

I like the way kat died, Didn't even scan the area just started sprinting to the bunker. What about Noble 6?? he just sat in one area for a last stand instead of trying to hi-jack a banshee or moving to try find transport off the planet. Emile didn't check hes surroundings before hes death. Carter could of easily jumped out the back of the pelican before it crashed...

One has to wonder, is there a mantal issue with spartan III's???


Look it's the Spartan II defense force, can't admit that Spartan III's are as good as Spartan II's.

Alright, next time I'm running from a sudden explosion or something similar I will stop to inspect my surroundings, real smart, so Kat's dead, justified.

Reach had fallen, what use would Six have for a Banshee? It's not like the regular Banshee can come in contact with vacuum and Space variants are meant for Space, so no way of getting one in Reach, there were no more transports in Reach either, so Noble Six, check.

If you ever watched the cut-scene properly instead of being like, what a retard, he got stabbed, you'd see that the Zealot fell right on top of the gun, out of the sight of Emile, he killed the other Zealot but guess what, there were other 3 below so he most likely was paying attention to them instead of noticing the (most probably) slow moving Zealot, so Emile, check.

You have to be mentally challenged if you think Carter would have survived, he was badly wounded, he knew he would not make it and he would just slow down both Emile and Six, so he did what a good leader does, put his team before himself.

Next time you try to make an argument, make sure it's plausible, instead of just saying non-coherent things, m'kay?
Lmfao all I take out of that is Emile is mentally retarded.

Not to mention carter had but a scratch, fatally wounded is a joke...or is that all a spartan 3 could handle?

Facts are facts spartan 3's were garbage. Hopefully the spartan 4 program will recieve the same repsect and treatment the spartan 2 program recieved.


Hmmm, Emile, mentally retarded? I doubt it, I mean, yes he got killed by a Zealot, but let's see, he was outnumbered 5 to 1 (4 Zealots and a Field Marshall), he was also unaware that there was an Elite behind him, cause contrary to popular belief there is no such a thing as a radar for ground troopers, only in prowlers and other ships. Not only that, but the way the Elite landed made him stay out of Emile's point of view, seeing how the Onager's controls are like a station at the left with a roof and all and thus, wouldn't let you see to the right.

Back on the radar thing, Spartans have motion sensors not radars, and even those are not foul proof, they can be bypassed by slow movement after all and they can fail when it contact with sea water (Ghosts Of Onyx), so his death is totally plausible.

Sam was pretty much killed by a Jackal with a plasma pistol, does that make him retarded? Solomon walked directly into a bomb, is that the intelligence of a Spartan II? walking directly into an obvious trap? Both can play the intelligence game buddy, so don't think like your little joke on Emile will prove anything.

  • 05.06.2011 3:14 AM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: zepedrodel
Chief - sitting in the PoA not doing -blam!-
6 - refuse to go in the PoA and survive just to protect it and save Chief's lazy ass.
I think this is why.


We don't know what Chief was doing while the Autumn was on the ground, he may have been on the Autumn, but it certainly wouldn't be from choice. I very highly doubt that he would remain voluntarily on the Autumn while fighting was going on all around it. I think that if he was on the ship, then it probably would have been because Keyes ordered him to stay there.

Read the fall of reach, and honestly halo reach really messed up the canon


I have read TFoR, I was talking about what Chief was doing while the Autumn was on Reach. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, Reach really did not mess anything up seriously. The biggest change was the length of the Battle of Reach, and even that really didn't change anything significantly.

This.

If anything, Reach makes the canon make more sense.


We are in definite agreement on the subject of Reach. Between and two weeks makes infinitely more sense than a couple hours. Even if the Covenant ships outnumbered the human ships, the UNSC had hundreds of ODPs and something around 20 SMACs as well as a collection of the UNSC's greatest minds present at the battle.

  • 05.06.2011 3:59 PM PDT


I think its safe to say this much, there is no character in the Halo series that could survive what N6 went through prior to his death. Master Chief would've worn out eventually, and probably sought the nearest 'explosive' he could lay his hands on, and find a way to blow them all up with him (or, rather, as many as possible). The Arbiter would take out dual Energy Swords and slice 'n dice away until they overpowered him as well. Johnson would've found a vantage point and grabbed a Sniper Rifle and picked the bastards off until he ran out of ammo, and/or they got past him somehow. Fred, and probably Kurt, would've probably gone out similar to Noble Six but not as quickly since they were Spartan II's, or probably about the same considering his rating (hyper-lethal).

I think the issue still stands though, nobody could have survived Lone Wolf against that many Sangheili. Next to Spartans, the Sangheili are most likely the deadliest and most skilled fighters in the known Galaxy (Starting with Major.) I think it is reasonable that he died, that was a one way road... death.

  • 05.06.2011 4:42 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Don't get me wrong, I love Kurt's character, I'm just curious about the justification of such a claim.


As am I. I really don't see anything about Kurt that would make him the best, he has an innate sense and ability to sniff out ambushes, but that alone wouldn't make one the best.


He didn't just have the ability to sniff out ambushes, he had a sixth sense, the guy could pretty much predict what was going to happen before it happened, this is why Master Chief's team usually lost against Kurt's team (read the book, I swear to god he did.) And, well, if Master Chief had such an aggressive drive to win, and was in Halsey's opinion, the 'best', what would that make Kurt, considering the fact he was usually the victor between the two?

=)

To be honest though, I don't think there is a 'best' Spartan, in the book they all had their own unique abilities that made them special. John's Luck, Kurt's Sixth Sense, Kelly's speed and reconnaissance abilities (as well as her ability with heavy weapons If I remember correctly), Linda's amazing Sniping abilities and strength. Sam's physical threshold. They all have things that make them special.

Oh, and Noble Six's courage. ;)

[Edited on 05.06.2011 4:51 PM PDT]

  • 05.06.2011 4:49 PM PDT
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Master Chief is just better! honestly read the books and you'd understand just like i've said at the beginning of this post!

  • 05.06.2011 7:47 PM PDT

Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
Master Chief is just better! honestly read the books and you'd understand just like i've said at the beginning of this post!


I have read the books. (All of them.) And come to the conclusion Kurt-051 is the best SPARTAN of them all (IIs and IIIs), the best SPARTAN II is a close tie between Frederic-104, Kelly-087, John-117 and Linda-058. The best SPARTAN-III is obviously B312, who is right up there with Fred, Kelly, John, and Linda. And last but not least the most epic hero of humanity (this excludes SPARTANS) is Preston J. Cole, who most likely has the highest confirmed killcount of anybody in the UNSC.

[Edited on 05.08.2011 2:13 AM PDT]

  • 05.08.2011 2:13 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
Master Chief is just better! honestly read the books and you'd understand just like i've said at the beginning of this post!


I have read the books. (All of them.) And come to the conclusion Kurt-051 is the best SPARTAN of them all (IIs and IIIs), the best SPARTAN II is a close tie between Frederic-104, Kelly-087, John-117 and Linda-058. The best SPARTAN-III is obviously B312, who is right up there with Fred, Kelly, John, and Linda. And last but not least the most epic hero of humanity (this excludes SPARTANS) is Preston J. Cole, who most likely has the highest confirmed killcount of anybody in the UNSC.


Wouldn't Jorge have the highest killcount for destroying the Super Carrier, which could have carried as much as hundreds of thousands of troops?

  • 05.08.2011 2:43 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: ImpenetrableLIVE
Master Chief is just better! honestly read the books and you'd understand just like i've said at the beginning of this post!


I have read the books. (All of them.) And come to the conclusion Kurt-051 is the best SPARTAN of them all (IIs and IIIs), the best SPARTAN II is a close tie between Frederic-104, Kelly-087, John-117 and Linda-058. The best SPARTAN-III is obviously B312, who is right up there with Fred, Kelly, John, and Linda. And last but not least the most epic hero of humanity (this excludes SPARTANS) is Preston J. Cole, who most likely has the highest confirmed killcount of anybody in the UNSC.


Wouldn't Jorge have the highest killcount for destroying the Super Carrier, which could have carried as much as hundreds of thousands of troops?


From Halopedia...

Cole then fired everything the Everest had - not at the Covenant, but into Viperidae. The super-pressurized hydrogen inside the gas giant's atmosphere spontaneously underwent nuclear fusion by the one hundred Shiva nuclear warheads fired at it, and Viperidae exploded into a brown dwarf. When the micronova ceased every Covenant ship, apparently along with Preston Cole and the UNSC Everest, had been obliterated.

After his apparent death, there was speculation that Admiral Cole, after destroying two whole Covenant fleets, might have made a last-minute jump into slipspace.


Master Chief destroyed a single Assault Carrier with a covenant pickle-thing, and Jorge destroyed one Supercarrier, big whoope, Cole destroyed not one, but two fleets of Covenant. I don't have the patience to calculate the numbers of losses, but they are BIG.

Also, there's an 89% possibility he made a jump into slipspace and survived, after all of that.

Yeah he's definitely the most bada$$ regular Human, if not in the UNSC, period.

  • 05.08.2011 4:05 PM PDT