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I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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So I've been thinking about something that may become or not become true.
The Precursor's created the Forerunners first. Almost as a experiment. Maybe they were servants. Then the Precursor's created humanity. The Precursor's deemed humanity as their perfect creation. The Forerunners were to protect humanity. The Forerunner's became jealous and rose up against the Precursor's.

I guessed this since Halo has a bunch of biblical references and this somewhat makes sense to me. But this theory is most likely wrong.

What do you guys think?

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So I've been thinking about something that may become or not become true.
The Precursor's created the Forerunners first. Almost as a experiment. Maybe they were servants. Then the Precursor's created humanity. The Precursor's deemed humanity as their perfect creation. The Forerunners were to protect humanity. The Forerunner's became jealous and rose up against the Precursor's.

I guessed this since Halo has a bunch of biblical references and this somewhat makes sense to me. But this theory is most likely wrong.

What do you guys think?


About damn time.

Yes the forerunners were created by the precursors, seeing how builders are at the top of the social caste i assume that is what they were made for.

I doubt the perfect humanity part that doesn't even sound like a good story. I believe some galactic disaster might have caught the precursors attention and the forerunners decided to attack them then. i also still think there is a chance the forerunners created humanity.

  • 05.01.2011 5:21 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

At this point it could go either way. Precursor's could have, Forerunner's could have.
Forerunners and Humans apparently look similar in appearance while Precursor's look nothing alike.
If the Forerunner's did create humantiy, it would have been hundreds of thousands of years before Cryptum. They would have fogotten this as they forgot the Precursor's.
I really hope we find out these answers in Cryptum 2 or 3.
I'm curious to know how humanity can use Forerunner tech. I think it might have something to do with those "geas" that the Librarian place in some humans. Or some humans might have Forerunner DNA in them.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
At this point it could go either way. Precursor's could have, Forerunner's could have.
Forerunners and Humans apparently look similar in appearance while Precursor's look nothing alike.
If the Forerunner's did create humantiy, it would have been hundreds of thousands of years before Cryptum. They would have fogotten this as they forgot the Precursor's.
I really hope we find out these answers in Cryptum 2 or 3.
I'm curious to know how humanity can use Forerunner tech. I think it might have something to do with those "geas" that the Librarian place in some humans. Or some humans might have Forerunner DNA in them.


Thats what i am betting on, The forerunners created humanity and forgot or the information was lost to time like their war with the precursors. The prisoner then tells the humans this and it is this knowledge that makes them insane.

Forerunners and Humans have alot of DNA in common, so it is only natural that they can use each others technology. Post halo though it was specifically tuned to answer to a forerunner or a human, no mystery to that.

  • 05.01.2011 5:29 PM PDT

Interesting idea, I think it's quite possible too. I wouldn't say its wrong or not until we actually see what happens in the next two books.

  • 05.01.2011 5:30 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.

Yes but Sergeant Morboro or whatever his name is that Guilty Spark encountered on the Alpha Halo was also refered to as a Reclaimer

  • 05.01.2011 5:37 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.

Yes but Sergeant Morboro or whatever his name is that Guilty Spark encountered on the Alpha Halo was also refered to as a Reclaimer


Isn't it believed that he's a Spartan 1?

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.


Actually all humans are designated as Reclaimers. In Contact Harvest the Luminary marked every single human on Harvest was tagged as one. And also Guilty Spark called Miranda Keyes a Reclaimer as well.

And the Spartan IIs are taller because of the augmentations, going by the information we currently have anyway, that could change at some point.

  • 05.01.2011 5:38 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.


Actually all humans are designated as Reclaimers. In Contact Harvest the Luminary marked every single human on Harvest was tagged as one. And also Guilty Spark called Miranda Keyes a Reclaimer as well.

And the Spartan IIs are taller because of the augmentations, going by the information we currently have anyway, that could change at some point.


I thought that S-IIs were taller than other people before augmentations

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.


To be honest i think spartans in general are more like ancient humanity which in turn was similar to the forerunners.

We know ancient humanity had power armor, and i will assume they were all naturally 'spartan like" seeing how the assembly guided the creation of the spartans to get the current humanity on track with its past.

  • 05.01.2011 5:41 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.


To be honest i think spartans in general are more like ancient humanity which in turn was similar to the forerunners.

We know ancient humanity had power armor, and i will assume they were all naturally 'spartan like" seeing how the assembly guided the creation of the spartans to get the current humanity on track with its past.


I can believe that.
Which makes me wonder, did ancient humanity have a Spartan like project? They were of course more advance than the Forerunners and at one point were fighting two wars.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.


To be honest i think spartans in general are more like ancient humanity which in turn was similar to the forerunners.

We know ancient humanity had power armor, and i will assume they were all naturally 'spartan like" seeing how the assembly guided the creation of the spartans to get the current humanity on track with its past.


I can believe that.
Which makes me wonder, did ancient humanity have a Spartan like project? They were of course more advance than the Forerunners and at one point were fighting two wars.


They were on the exact same level as the forerunners, don't twist that up.

I doubt it. Ancient man was stronger,and faster than we currently are. which is why i said they were probably naturally "spartan like" seeing how they would have to face forerunners in hand to hand combat on the battlefield.

And forerunners can be up to 13 feet tall.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I think that it could be possible that Spartan-IIs have more Forerunner DNA in them than other humans. We see that Forerunners can become very tall. And S-IIs are kinda tall. Also they're called Reclaimers unlike other humans. Though I try to not to delve into these kind of theories as most have been wrong.


To be honest i think spartans in general are more like ancient humanity which in turn was similar to the forerunners.

We know ancient humanity had power armor, and i will assume they were all naturally 'spartan like" seeing how the assembly guided the creation of the spartans to get the current humanity on track with its past.


I can believe that.
Which makes me wonder, did ancient humanity have a Spartan like project? They were of course more advance than the Forerunners and at one point were fighting two wars.


They were on the exact same level as the forerunners, don't twist that up.

I doubt it. Ancient man was stronger,and faster than we currently are. which is why i said they were probably naturally "spartan like" seeing how they would have to face forerunners in hand to hand combat on the battlefield.

And forerunners can be up to 13 feet tall.

i am guessing they were probably slightly more advanced than the Forerunners, otherwise they wouldn't have had the ability to fight two wars simultaneously and hold out for as long as they did.

  • 05.01.2011 5:49 PM PDT

Going with the Biblical thing, is to far a stretch to think that the Prisoner(Gravemind) is a fallen Precursor? Or like a Fallen Angel the way Lucifer was?

Gravemind leads a revolution against the Precursors (likely using Forerunners, humans and other fallen Precursors as warriors), he loses the war, but, the Precursors--having fullfilled their time with the Mantle--partake in the Great Journey, while the Prisoner is eternally damned to be left behind. He then convinces himself his captivity is the Forerunners' fault and decides to use his own creation--the abomination called the Flood--as his revenge.

It can be said the reasons for this uprising is because Gravemind feels the Flood is superior to the other two creations--humanity and the Forerunners--and wishes to see his creation take up the Precursor heritage. And biologically, the Flood is perfect, so he'd be right in that regard. But the nature of the Flood is far too destructive and goes against the Mantle. A "war in heaven" is waged, leading to the "sinners" to be caste out of paradise for being tempted by the evil Gravemind (Garden of Eden referance perhaps?)

I made this theory up as I went, so it has holes. But for what its worth, it could be plausible.

Also, Ackerson's hopes for the Spartan project was to hopefully make the augmentations a requirement for the military it would seem. This could culminate in the entire populace becoming more like the Forerunners/Ancient Man (in that they are biologically "mutated" to fit their roles better. Forerunner mutations anyone?)

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I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

What if Master Chief traveled back in time at the end of Halo 3, and his and Cortana's offspring are the Flood. LOL.

Idk. I just thought of this theory.

I think that the Precursor's created the Flood as revenge for the Forerunners but their plans kinda came in late (millions of years late.)

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
What if Master Chief traveled back in time at the end of Halo 3, and his and Cortana's offspring are the Flood. LOL.

Idk. I just thought of this theory.

I think that the Precursor's created the Flood as revenge for the Forerunners but their plans kinda came in late (millions of years late.)

I'm thinking that the precursors suffered some sort of cataclysmic event and then a civil war and in their weakened state, their "children" per say, the Forerunners and Humans, rebelled against them and destroyed them However, the forerunners and humans took such great casualty that can no longer remember what happened.

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What if Master Chief traveled back in time at the end of Halo 3, and his and Cortana's offspring are the Flood. LOL.

Idk. I just thought of this theory.

I think that the Precursor's created the Flood as revenge for the Forerunners but their plans kinda came in late (millions of years late.)

I'm thinking that the precursors suffered some sort of cataclysmic event and then a civil war and in their weakened state, their "children" per say, the Forerunners and Humans, rebelled against them and destroyed them However, the forerunners and humans took such great casualty that can no longer remember what happened.


If the humans were involved in any sort of way the flood would have it out for them (which they don't) the only race the flood wants destroyed no matter what is the forerunners.

To be honest the only connect humanity has with the entire thing is the link with the forerunners which were created by the precursors. other than that its just a triangle.

And they were on the exact same level, period. they were fighting two wars on pure desperation don't over analyze something this important.

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What if Master Chief traveled back in time at the end of Halo 3, and his and Cortana's offspring are the Flood. LOL.

Idk. I just thought of this theory.

I think that the Precursor's created the Flood as revenge for the Forerunners but their plans kinda came in late (millions of years late.)

I'm thinking that the precursors suffered some sort of cataclysmic event and then a civil war and in their weakened state, their "children" per say, the Forerunners and Humans, rebelled against them and destroyed them However, the forerunners and humans took such great casualty that can no longer remember what happened.


If the humans were involved in any sort of way the flood would have it out for them (which they don't) the only race the flood wants destroyed no matter what is the forerunners.

To be honest the only connect humanity has with the entire thing is the link with the forerunners which were created by the precursors. other than that its just a triangle.

And they were on the exact same level, period. they were fighting two wars on pure desperation don't over analyze something this important.


Well it would seem from the Gravemind's line to Chief about being the "child of my enemies" that he bears some ill will to Humanity too due to them being the heirs of the Forerunners.

  • 05.01.2011 6:32 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Going with the Biblical thing, is to far a stretch to think that the Prisoner(Gravemind) is a fallen Precursor? Or like a Fallen Angel the way Lucifer was?

Gravemind leads a revolution against the Precursors (likely using Forerunners, humans and other fallen Precursors as warriors), he loses the war, but, the Precursors--having fullfilled their time with the Mantle--partake in the Great Journey, while the Prisoner is eternally damned to be left behind. He then convinces himself his captivity is the Forerunners' fault and decides to use his own creation--the abomination called the Flood--as his revenge.

It can be said the reasons for this uprising is because Gravemind feels the Flood is superior to the other two creations--humanity and the Forerunners--and wishes to see his creation take up the Precursor heritage. And biologically, the Flood is perfect, so he'd be right in that regard. But the nature of the Flood is far too destructive and goes against the Mantle. A "war in heaven" is waged, leading to the "sinners" to be caste out of paradise for being tempted by the evil Gravemind (Garden of Eden referance perhaps?)

I made this theory up as I went, so it has holes. But for what its worth, it could be plausible.


I like this theory Roberto, one of the better ones I've seen in regards to Cryptum. And it feels much more plausible to me than the Flood being a form of revenge from the Precursors.

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What if Master Chief traveled back in time at the end of Halo 3, and his and Cortana's offspring are the Flood. LOL.

Idk. I just thought of this theory.

I think that the Precursor's created the Flood as revenge for the Forerunners but their plans kinda came in late (millions of years late.)

I'm thinking that the precursors suffered some sort of cataclysmic event and then a civil war and in their weakened state, their "children" per say, the Forerunners and Humans, rebelled against them and destroyed them However, the forerunners and humans took such great casualty that can no longer remember what happened.


If the humans were involved in any sort of way the flood would have it out for them (which they don't) the only race the flood wants destroyed no matter what is the forerunners.

To be honest the only connect humanity has with the entire thing is the link with the forerunners which were created by the precursors. other than that its just a triangle.

And they were on the exact same level, period. they were fighting two wars on pure desperation don't over analyze something this important.


Well it would seem from the Gravemind's line to Chief about being the "child of my enemies" that he bears some ill will to Humanity too due to them being the heirs of the Forerunners.


No because he also asks why the chief has come to high charity with the tone of " i have no business with you".

The flood has a hatred of the forerunners due to them impeding the growth of life in the galaxy. which is why the flood ruthlessly fought the flood unlike it did with any other race. It taunted them, mocked them; The Gravemind despises the forerunners.

Yet seems to have no grudge towards man even though we were the ones that beat the first wave of flood. though this could be due to the fact a gravemind wasn't around and because that was a different man.

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