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Subject: Forerunners vs Ancients

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Poll: Forerunners vs Ancients  [closed]
Forerunners:  60%
(28 Votes)
Ancients:  40%
(19 Votes)
Total Votes: 47

I've noticed for a while now that it seems the Ancients would put up a good fight against the Forerunners.
Now of course the Forerunners can use the Halo Array and the Ancients can use the power of ascention.
Who would win?

BTW If you don't know what the Ancients are, watch Stargate.

Now Forerunner weaponry has never been really shown. But it is known that Covenant tech is reveresed engineered Forerunner tech. So we can assume that Covie and Forerunner weaponry may have some similarities.

The Ancients have mostly plasma based weaponry. The drones are probably the most devastating of Ancient tech.

[Edited on 05.02.2011 4:19 PM PDT]

  • 05.02.2011 4:15 PM PDT

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  • 05.02.2011 4:24 PM PDT
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dustin, it seems to me that the previous poll/post was overrun with the other choice of mass effect, here will be a discussion about just the forerunners and alterrans.

Now myself, i firmly believe the ancients will prevail over the forerunners, however it will not be an easy fight,

  • 05.02.2011 4:34 PM PDT

Don't the Ancients have time travel?

If so, them.

  • 05.02.2011 4:37 PM PDT

"You were weak... and gods must be strong."

No, I'm with Dustin. This thread will only end up the same way- other races will be brought in. Immortal Joshua, there's already a thread like this still alive and kicking and this one will just end up like the other one. Stick to the original thread.

  • 05.02.2011 4:45 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

I did read that other thread but some races didn't seem "appropriate" for the thread.
Ancients and Forerunners seem extremely similar in power and relation to humanity.
I wonder if the Halo Array could kill Ascended Ancients.

  • 05.02.2011 4:46 PM PDT

"You were weak... and gods must be strong."


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I did read that other thread but some races didn't seem "appropriate" for the thread.
Ancients and Forerunners seem extremely similar in power and relation to humanity.
I wonder if the Halo Array could kill Ascended Ancients.


That doesn't matter. The Ancients are still the mainstream of discussion in comparison to the Forerunners, and by extension this topic is still a duplicate. You make enough threads yourself already, no need to repeat threads.

  • 05.02.2011 4:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Gamma 46

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I did read that other thread but some races didn't seem "appropriate" for the thread.
Ancients and Forerunners seem extremely similar in power and relation to humanity.
I wonder if the Halo Array could kill Ascended Ancients.


That doesn't matter. The Ancients are still the mainstream of discussion in comparison to the Forerunners, and by extension this topic is still a duplicate. You make enough threads yourself already, no need to repeat threads.


Due to the fact the Ancients had time travel, I think they won that debate.

Which is why we started talking about other things.

  • 05.02.2011 4:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I wonder if the Halo Array could kill Ascended Ancients.

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What? No. Ascended Ancients - higher plane of existence. Halo array won't be able to touch that.

For the sake of this discussion, PLEASE do not allow Ascended ones. One ascended Alteran could handwave away the entire Forerunner Empire. Keep it at fleet vs fleet/empire vs empire.

We already know on ground that the Forerunners might win. I say might because we don't know what the Ancients have for ground combat-if it's anything like a Promethean, I will eat my hat...

There is the matter of ZPMs, though. If the Ancients could mass produce them...well...

  • 05.02.2011 5:46 PM PDT

Hold on a second, Ancient weapons technology is not Plasma based. Drones are devastating and seem able to penetrate all known armour and energy shields with no obvious trouble, what about the Lantean satellites that protected Atlantis from Wraith onslaught, a heavily damaged satellite with minimal power managed to cut an enormous Wraith hive in half with a single shot, there was absolutely no delay either so its not a plasma weapon. the turrets on the Aurora class have never been shown in action so its not known what sort of weapons they are. Another Ancient weapon is the one from Project Arcturus, not sure what that was but it made short work of an obviously large fleet of Wraith ships, that is only the weapons we have seen. its possible they could have used teleportation based weapons like the Asgard do to the Gou'old on one of the episodes.

The Ancients can produce Zero-point energy modules quickly, the Asurans made lots of them in almost no time at all, and one can assume that the Ancients themselves have much better knowledge of their own technology, the problem for me is and always will be, numbers. The Ancients cannot win, their technology wins hands down but they would never win a war with the Forerunner, the Ancients have some ships but the Forerunner have probably billions, so if we gave the Ancients way way way more ships then possibly, but other than that no!

Edit: Also another difference, the Ancients aren't in cahoots with the humans, the humans ARE Ancients.

[Edited on 05.03.2011 12:07 PM PDT]

  • 05.03.2011 12:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Gamma 46

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I did read that other thread but some races didn't seem "appropriate" for the thread.
Ancients and Forerunners seem extremely similar in power and relation to humanity.
I wonder if the Halo Array could kill Ascended Ancients.


That doesn't matter. The Ancients are still the mainstream of discussion in comparison to the Forerunners, and by extension this topic is still a duplicate. You make enough threads yourself already, no need to repeat threads.


And he makes enough threads in general at weird side-topics.

Besides, here is how I see if going down.

Ancients are ascended, they don't give a -blam!- about the 'non-ascended' actions. Forerunners can't kill them.

Bam.

  • 05.03.2011 12:38 PM PDT

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But that doesn't mean they win. In fact, since Ascended Ancients have laws regarding messing with the material plain, one might say the Forerunner's win, since they can still affect living things.

Taking out Ascension, I'd still vote for the ancients. They created a ship that refuels by traveling through a star. How -blam!-in is that?

  • 05.03.2011 12:54 PM PDT

Wait, I just thought of something. Though Ancient shields are basically impenetrable, a photon beam (or in the Forerunners' case "hard light") would be able to ignore the shields. I say this because, even with the shields up, I can still see the ship; light goes through the shields.

So take out Ascension and time travel and only then is it an even figtht.

  • 05.03.2011 2:04 PM PDT

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But even with time travel... they have to be carefull because it might cause a paradox and then bad things would happen.

  • 05.03.2011 2:06 PM PDT
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  • 05.03.2011 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100
But even with time travel... they have to be carefull because it might cause a paradox and then bad things would happen.


So its unlikely the Ancients would use time travel as a weapon like the Xeelee did.

Hold on: I just read about Ancient time travel. It was extremely limited, only being able to go back 10 hours.

The only other artificial time travel device in Stargate was nick named the Puddle Jumper by Major John Shepard (not to be confused with Comander John Shepard from ME) But it wasn't of Ancient design.

[Edited on 05.03.2011 2:18 PM PDT]

  • 05.03.2011 2:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DeathBySniper
But that doesn't mean they win. In fact, since Ascended Ancients have laws regarding messing with the material plain, one might say the Forerunner's win, since they can still affect living things.

Taking out Ascension, I'd still vote for the ancients. They created a ship that refuels by traveling through a star. How -blam!-in is that?


Nah, It's a tie. The ancients wouldn't bother with the Forerunners and the forerunners couldn't touch ascended beams.

  • 05.03.2011 2:21 PM PDT

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  • 05.03.2011 2:27 PM PDT
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Ascended Ancients would when vs forerunners though i think since the forerunners have acess to other realms they might be able to attack the somehow.


To be honest if it were flat out forerunners vs Ancents i still might say forerunners and here is way.


The Ancients have been beaten by the Ori,Replicators, and the wraith. They Are very limited in number and while they are highly advanced most of the "super weapon" technology isn't wide spread enough to make much of a difference.
The fact the 3 races i stated have been known to beat them clearly shows that when they are on this plane they can be beaten.

Yes while they have time travel and powerful shields most of there technology is limited or inconsistent. Such as they have shields for ground troops that are actually indestructible yet they only ever made one? They have time travel but if i remember from the show correctly it was extremely limited and even then it wasn't reliable or they would have used it constantly.

And yes while they have the drones that can cut through any known shields the drones act on a receiver which i am sure any race fighting the Ancients for an amount of time would try to scramble making the drones ineffective. Not to mention that the Ancients Do not have sizable fleets or populations for a long term engagement which is the reason they ascended in the first place.

*** Also, the Ancients are susceptible to illness, the forerunner are not.

So in all honesty and halo love Aside the forerunners would win. They have a larger population, Larger fleets (about a trillion if not maybe more worth of ships), And their technology was built on a stable path over eons while the Ancients are indestructible here but extremely weak here.

If i really need to do a long drawn out post why the forerunners would win *Sigh* then say so. But they would in all honesty and don't make me do a long post to say petty things like "but drones are invincible" , " But they could just go back in time 4 hours and" " but the flood beat the forerunners, the wraith and replicators were worse""


Like i said i will do a long post, but only if you are actually going to understand and be mature with it. I've been watching stargate before i even played halo (which i got day of) And i have been watching stargate universe so i know both races inside and out.


Not to mention that the race that built the drones in Stargate universe could be the ancients with Trillions of those.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
But even with time travel... they have to be carefull because it might cause a paradox and then bad things would happen.


So its unlikely the Ancients would use time travel as a weapon like the Xeelee did.

Hold on: I just read about Ancient time travel. It was extremely limited, only being able to go back 10 hours.

The only other artificial time travel device in Stargate was nick named the Puddle Jumper by Major John Shepard (not to be confused with Comander John Shepard from ME) But it wasn't of Ancient design.
In the episode Moebius, SG1 travels back around 5.000 years or so backward in time with a puddle jumper.
While I don't watch very much Stargate, I did watch one of the movies where the last Goua'ld (however you spell it) used a time travel device to travel back 50 years and stop the Americans from getting the Stargate. He also used the paradox to become the highest ranking Goua'ld. Just mentioning it because we are on time travel.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Puddle Jumper
But it wasn't of Ancient design.

DERP?

What? I think I just busted a kidney, I was laughing so hard.

Jumpers = main Ancient spacefighter/aircraft.

  • 05.03.2011 3:18 PM PDT

Can the halo rings truly even kill and ascended ancient?

Also, those three groups never truly defeated the Ancients.

  • 05.03.2011 5:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Puddle Jumper
But it wasn't of Ancient design.

NERD RAGE

Some ascended beings still used their powers. Look at that -blam!- from the Ark of Truth. She had the power of the Ori.
How long does it even take Forerunners to built stuff? Didn't the Didact's ship get built in like a couple days or hours?
The Forerunners can build extremely massive structures. We see this with the Ark, Shield Worlds, and Halos. I believe the Portal on Earth was built within a matter of days.

How about this. Onyx Sentinel vs Puddle Jumper. Onyx Sentinels can join together and can cut apart Covie ships with their beams like a hot knife through butter.

Now Atlantis' shields can protect against nukes..so...?

[Edited on 05.03.2011 5:30 PM PDT]

  • 05.03.2011 5:24 PM PDT