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Can the halo rings truly even kill and ascended ancient?

Also, those three groups never truly defeated the Ancients.


conflicts with early Ori forced the "Ancients" to leave their home galaxy.

The ancients suffered a horrible plague that wiped out majority of them which is why they had to leave earth.

Replicators would have been the flood to the ancients.

The wraith did defeat the Ancients. They took advantage of the fact that ANCIENTS ARE PACIFISTS AND DO NOT HAVE THE AGGRESSION FOR WAR Thus they were able to fight them for centurys and force them back to earth. Which soon after they ascended so they wouldn't have to fight anymore.


the Ancients aren't a warring race, which is the reason for the great alliance with the other 5 or so strong races in the galaxy.

Which is why they would lose agaisnt the forerunners.

Ancients- Low amount of ships, rules and regulations that forbid certain technology, no will to fight, low population

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Forerunners- crazy obsessed over dominance in the milky way, Have over 3 million worlds, trillions of ships, No qualms with using high level technology, Are not afraid to fight for centurys, will fight to the end.

= ancients pleading to stop fighting and then ascending to avoid the forerunners.


Anybody that truly knows what they are talking about should know it isn't really fair to put the forerunners against them. Nor would it be fair to do the same for ascended ancients since they would only fight the forerunners if they attacked their plane or if they were a threat to the universe.

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Ok here how about this:

The Forerunners release some flood onto some Ancient worlds. The Ancients use the Replicators to fight the flood.

NOW THE GAME HAS CHANGED.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Ok here how about this:

The Forerunners release some flood onto some Ancient worlds. The Ancients use the Replicators to fight the flood.

NOW THE GAME HAS CHANGED.


flood would take over the replicators.

common sense

  • 05.03.2011 5:32 PM PDT

Still, the fact remains. The forerunners would do their -blam!- and the ancients wouldn't give a flying -blam!- because they are ascended.

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Ok here how about this:

The Forerunners release some flood onto some Ancient worlds. The Ancients use the Replicators to fight the flood.

NOW THE GAME HAS CHANGED.


flood would take over the replicators.

common sense


Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.

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Puddle Jumper
But it wasn't of Ancient design.

NERD RAGE

Some ascended beings still used their powers. Look at that -blam!- from the Ark of Truth. She had the power of the Ori.
How long does it even take Forerunners to built stuff? Didn't the Didact's ship get built in like a couple days or hours?
The Forerunners can build extremely massive structures. We see this with the Ark, Shield Worlds, and Halos. I believe the Portal on Earth was built within a matter of days.

How about this. Onyx Sentinel vs Puddle Jumper. Onyx Sentinels can join together and can cut apart Covie ships with their beams like a hot knife through butter.

And a Puddle Jumper could one-shot a Covenant ship. Seeing as how their hangar bays are guarded not with solid steel, but with energy fields -which drones ignore, the doors are motion operated, and the hallways are quite large... drone goes in via the hangar bay, zips down the hallways, and either buries itself in the bridge or the engine core. Problem, Covenant scum?

Now Atlantis' shields can protect against nukes..so...?

It can tank a whole lot more than nukes.

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Ok here how about this:

The Forerunners release some flood onto some Ancient worlds. The Ancients use the Replicators to fight the flood.

NOW THE GAME HAS CHANGED.


flood would take over the replicators.

common sense


Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.

Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Ok here how about this:

The Forerunners release some flood onto some Ancient worlds. The Ancients use the Replicators to fight the flood.

NOW THE GAME HAS CHANGED.


flood would take over the replicators.

common sense


Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.

Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.


And become stronger as they use the Forerunner materials to create more of them.

  • 05.03.2011 7:51 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Puddle Jumper
But it wasn't of Ancient design.

DERP?

What? I think I just busted a kidney, I was laughing so hard.

Jumpers = main Ancient spacefighter/aircraft.


Then the wiki screwed up. I know Puddle Jumper is an Ancient ship; what I'm talking about was nick named a puddle Jumper by Sheppard according to the Stargate wiki.

I don't watch stargate, so I screwed up

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flood would take over the replicators.

common sense


Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.

Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.


And become stronger as they use the Forerunner materials to create more of them.

And goes to hell when said Forerunner-enhanced Replicator ships evade destruction, land on other worlds, and begin doing what the Flood did, only far more efficiently. Whereas the Flood needed organics, the Replicators take EVERYTHING. It soon becomes bull. Entire planets are quickly stripped, ships take off and scatter, and the damn infestation spreads like wildfire. Add in the fact that the bugs can construct their own ships, and...

Well, the appearance of Human Form replicators would mean the true end of the Forerunners. This is something which they can't fight. Their only hope is to deal with this before the replicators break containment.

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Oh God Replicators infesting Forerunner tech. Then they could activate the array and kill the Forerunners.

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Oh God Replicators infesting Forerunner tech. Then they could activate the array and kill the Forerunners.

I don't think the Replicators would do that right away, they'd be too busy eating the rings to do so.

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Ok here how about this:

The Forerunners release some flood onto some Ancient worlds. The Ancients use the Replicators to fight the flood.

NOW THE GAME HAS CHANGED.


flood would take over the replicators.

common sense


Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.

Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.


You clearly don't know what you are talking about nor do you understand.

The flood infected high charity which isn't living, they infect ships which aren't living, they can infect AIs which aren't organics.

The flood aren't much different than the replicators they would both be on the same threat level.

  • 05.04.2011 8:05 AM PDT


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Ok here how about this:

The Forerunners release some flood onto some Ancient worlds. The Ancients use the Replicators to fight the flood.

NOW THE GAME HAS CHANGED.


flood would take over the replicators.

common sense


Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.

Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.


You clearly don't know what you are talking about nor do you understand.

The flood infected high charity which isn't living, they infect ships which aren't living, they can infect AIs which aren't organics.

The flood aren't much different than the replicators they would both be on the same threat level.


Actually, I'm pointing at you which don't know what you are talking about.

The flood 'infested' those because they spread biomass all over, and had a gravemind with the knowledge of how to run the ship due to shipmasters and pilots being infected.

The replicators on the other hand... They'd infest the ship, and literally eat it away. They have been shown to be extremely intelligent, cutting off command access and disabling power to key areas as they grow in number.

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Ok here how about this:

The Forerunners release some flood onto some Ancient worlds. The Ancients use the Replicators to fight the flood.

NOW THE GAME HAS CHANGED.[/quote]

flood would take over the replicators.

common sense


Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.

Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.


You clearly don't know what you are talking about nor do you understand.

The flood infected high charity which isn't living, they infect ships which aren't living, they can infect AIs which aren't organics.

The flood aren't much different than the replicators they would both be on the same threat level.


Actually, I'm pointing at you which don't know what you are talking about.

The flood 'infested' those because they spread biomass all over, and had a gravemind with the knowledge of how to run the ship due to shipmasters and pilots being infected.

The replicators on the other hand... They'd infest the ship, and literally eat it away. They have been shown to be extremely intelligent, cutting off command access and disabling power to key areas as they grow in number.


It isn't that much different you clearly types as if the flood have never infected a ship. The flood can infect anything living to some degree. Only in the latter stages could the replicators do so and even then their way is no where as efficient as the floods.

To be honest the Asgard had some ingenious ways of slowing down the replicators, if they didn't have to worry about genetic problems i am sure they would have found a way to beat them.

Not sure what would happen replicators vs forerunners/Ancients.

If the organics won it would be Pyrrhic if they "lost" the would just leave our dimension. I feel that the replicators are a issue for tier 3 and under races, i think the forerunners and Ancients would find a way to beat them since they both focus alot on science.

  • 05.04.2011 8:17 AM PDT

Hmmm....the Ancients had devices that could destroy ships as they entered hyperspace, could ignore enemy shields, destroyed stars like crazy and could cross galaxies easily.
However...the Forerunners have the Halo rings, which wipe out all intelligent life in a galaxy in an instant. If it wasn't for that, I'd say the Ancients would dominate the Forerunners.

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Ancients would win. Their technology is far more advanced.

Would be interesting to see what it would take for the two of them to go to war.

They both have similar cultural values.

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flood would take over the replicators.

common sense[/quote]

Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.

Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.


You clearly don't know what you are talking about nor do you understand.

The flood infected high charity which isn't living, they infect ships which aren't living, they can infect AIs which aren't organics.

The flood aren't much different than the replicators they would both be on the same threat level.


Actually, I'm pointing at you which don't know what you are talking about.

The flood 'infested' those because they spread biomass all over, and had a gravemind with the knowledge of how to run the ship due to shipmasters and pilots being infected.

The replicators on the other hand... They'd infest the ship, and literally eat it away. They have been shown to be extremely intelligent, cutting off command access and disabling power to key areas as they grow in number.


It isn't that much different you clearly types as if the flood have never infected a ship. The flood can infect anything living to some degree. Only in the latter stages could the replicators do so and even then their way is no where as efficient as the floods.
And a METAL ship isn't a living organism.
Latter stages? What the... Have you seen what a single Replicator can do?
Efficiency is out of the question. THEY EAT THE WHOLE DAMN SHIP. Not like the flood, which needs to infect the pilot, then just spawns biomatter everywhere and turns the ship into a hive... The Replicators just have to hack into the network and they learn EVERYTHING. Then they can start by eating one system and voila! you now have hundreds of the damn bugs.

I feel that the replicators are a issue for tier 3 and under races.You derped. HARD. Wha... Could somebody correct this person? I need some coffee.

  • 05.04.2011 10:25 AM PDT

Ark of Truth much? A single replicator runs off, turns into a queen. Starts siphoning power from a main relay and the normal replicators go about shutting off systems.

They chew through the walls to get around a blockade, and charge the gun emplacements with so many replicators the walls, floor, and I believe ceiling was completely covered.

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Ark of Truth much? A single replicator runs off, turns into a queen. Starts siphoning power from a main relay and the normal replicators go about shutting off systems.

They chew through the walls to get around a blockade, and charge the gun emplacements with so many replicators the walls, floor, and I believe ceiling was completely covered.

Given the Replicators immunity to energy weapons, the Forerunners aboard the ship wouldn't have much of a chance... It's very sad. The only way for the Forerunnners to win would be to not let the Replicators break containment AT ALL. For all it would take is one bug...

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ark of Truth much? A single replicator runs off, turns into a queen. Starts siphoning power from a main relay and the normal replicators go about shutting off systems.

They chew through the walls to get around a blockade, and charge the gun emplacements with so many replicators the walls, floor, and I believe ceiling was completely covered.

Given the Replicators immunity to energy weapons, the Forerunners aboard the ship wouldn't have much of a chance... It's very sad. The only way for the Forerunnners to win would be to not let the Replicators break containment AT ALL. For all it would take is one bug...


Trying to contain the Replicators outside of using a time dilation device which prevented them from moving seems to not work at all.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ark of Truth much? A single replicator runs off, turns into a queen. Starts siphoning power from a main relay and the normal replicators go about shutting off systems.

They chew through the walls to get around a blockade, and charge the gun emplacements with so many replicators the walls, floor, and I believe ceiling was completely covered.

Given the Replicators immunity to energy weapons, the Forerunners aboard the ship wouldn't have much of a chance... It's very sad. The only way for the Forerunnners to win would be to not let the Replicators break containment AT ALL. For all it would take is one bug...


Trying to contain the Replicators outside of using a time dilation device which prevented them from moving seems to not work at all.

I meant by destroying any planet that the Forerunners find Replicators on. Even if the blast wave doesn't destroy the replicators, being exposed to space shuts them down... until some poor sap stumbles upon one.

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Posted by: grey101

flood would take over the replicators.

common sense[/quote]

Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.[/quote]
Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.


You clearly don't know what you are talking about nor do you understand.

The flood infected high charity which isn't living, they infect ships which aren't living, they can infect AIs which aren't organics.

The flood aren't much different than the replicators they would both be on the same threat level.


Actually, I'm pointing at you which don't know what you are talking about.

The flood 'infested' those because they spread biomass all over, and had a gravemind with the knowledge of how to run the ship due to shipmasters and pilots being infected.

The replicators on the other hand... They'd infest the ship, and literally eat it away. They have been shown to be extremely intelligent, cutting off command access and disabling power to key areas as they grow in number.


It isn't that much different you clearly types as if the flood have never infected a ship. The flood can infect anything living to some degree. Only in the latter stages could the replicators do so and even then their way is no where as efficient as the floods.
And a METAL ship isn't a living organism.
Latter stages? What the... Have you seen what a single Replicator can do?
Efficiency is out of the question. THEY EAT THE WHOLE DAMN SHIP. Not like the flood, which needs to infect the pilot, then just spawns biomatter everywhere and turns the ship into a hive... The Replicators just have to hack into the network and they learn EVERYTHING. Then they can start by eating one system and voila! you now have hundreds of the damn bugs.

I feel that the replicators are a issue for tier 3 and under races.You derped. HARD. Wha... Could somebody correct this person? I need some coffee.


In the final stages of the replicators they started to be able to infect organics by attaching to the spinal cord. They were able to control it though the organic could resist the control. Which is why i said the flood was more effective in the matter of controlling organics.

In the final stages of the flood they could infect anything by merely touching it, which is how they are able to infect whole structures and ships making them part of the flood itself, something early stages can't do regardless of biomatter.


So you replied to my post not even knowing what i was talking about in which you thought you knew what you were talking about. I was comparing the last stages of both the flood and replicators and then saying i have doubts that if ether side attacked the forerunners or Ancients that they would "lose".

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Replicators can control organic life. This is clearly seen in The Ark of Truth.

ALSO Replicators cannot be harmed by energy based weaponry.
So I guess all the Ancients would need to do is send in a fleet of Replicators.[/quote]
Yeah, Replicators would win against Flood, possibly grinding the Forerunners down into the dirt.

The Flood only infects biologicals. The Replicators infect the whole damn ship. Containment hell.[/quote]

You clearly don't know what you are talking about nor do you understand.

The flood infected high charity which isn't living, they infect ships which aren't living, they can infect AIs which aren't organics.

The flood aren't much different than the replicators they would both be on the same threat level.


Actually, I'm pointing at you which don't know what you are talking about.

The flood 'infested' those because they spread biomass all over, and had a gravemind with the knowledge of how to run the ship due to shipmasters and pilots being infected.

The replicators on the other hand... They'd infest the ship, and literally eat it away. They have been shown to be extremely intelligent, cutting off command access and disabling power to key areas as they grow in number.


It isn't that much different you clearly types as if the flood have never infected a ship. The flood can infect anything living to some degree. Only in the latter stages could the replicators do so and even then their way is no where as efficient as the floods.
And a METAL ship isn't a living organism.
Latter stages? What the... Have you seen what a single Replicator can do?
Efficiency is out of the question. THEY EAT THE WHOLE DAMN SHIP. Not like the flood, which needs to infect the pilot, then just spawns biomatter everywhere and turns the ship into a hive... The Replicators just have to hack into the network and they learn EVERYTHING. Then they can start by eating one system and voila! you now have hundreds of the damn bugs.

I feel that the replicators are a issue for tier 3 and under races.You derped. HARD. Wha... Could somebody correct this person? I need some coffee.


In the final stages of the replicators they started to be able to infect organics by attaching to the spinal cord. They were able to control it though the organic could resist the control.


...Cmdr Faron, mind taking over here? I can't focus anymore.
And that was a new brand of bugs. Early stages, you could say.

In the final stages of the flood they could infect anything by merely touching it, which is how they are able to infect whole structures and ships making them part of the flood itself, something early stages can't do regardless of biomatter.
Proof, please. All I see is biomatter out the ass. And while on the topic of this, didn't the Asurans make a Flood-like organism called the Hybrid/the Chimera?

So you replied to my post not even knowing what i was talking about in which you thought you knew what you were talking about. Urrgh my head hurts now.

[Edited on 05.04.2011 12:22 PM PDT]

  • 05.04.2011 12:21 PM PDT

Um, yeah what last guy said. I don't see anything about "The flood infecting whatever it touches." I see the flood biomass spreading, but guess what? That takes a while.

Flood make be able to kill off the crew, but guess what? Replicators take over the ship first, kill the crew and break it down while using it to travel where they want.

You see what the problem in comparing replicators to the flood is?

Flood : Infest a ship, now they have a ship and flood-form of the crew.
Replicators : Infest a ship, now you are dealing with exponentially increasing numbers of them. Oh, and they REFORM when shot up.

Edit: Ark of truth shows how damn deadly these things were. The secretive Earth group planned to release ONE single replicator in the Ori universe, knowing it'd overwhelm and destroy them all.

[Edited on 05.04.2011 1:32 PM PDT]

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