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Subject: Forerunners vs Ancients

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Colonel O'Neill becomes MacGyver and uses a pen, a toaster, some chicken wire and a Hula Hoop, makes a Halo ring and kills all of the Halo people.

Except Rtas, cos like...double standard yo.

  • 05.04.2011 1:33 PM PDT

the Replicators cannot realistically be defeated, not without knowledge of what they are and how they work, which only the Ancients have (and O'Neill through the Ancient Library...Head sucker!) but all in all they are far worse than the Flood, since the Flood need life to survive, the Replicators do not therefore totally removing the advantage that the Halo Installations gave the Forerunner, also their number grows exponentially from one. so stick a single Replicator onto a Forerunner colony, it disappears into some sewer somewhere and starts feasting on those lovely super-strong Forerunner metals, before you know it you have millions of the things crawling out of every nook and cranny.

the Asurans, or human form Replicators are even worse again! since again you cannot kill a human form without knowledge of what it is and how it works, you can shoot them all you want, blow them up, steamroller them, throw Flood at them until pigs fly and it wouldn't stop. the only problem is they are adaptive so become resistant to technologies used against them, even the anti-replicator weapon made from Ancient technology stopped working in the end, so in essence a single human form Replicator walks onto a Forerunner Fortress ship and that is one Fortress ship that ain't going anywhere fast and a LOT of trouble heading your direction!

on another note, one human Replicator vs. all the the SPARTAN-II and SPARTAN-III, wonder what would happen! similar thing applies to one Necron Warrior vs. all the SPARTANs, reckon you'd end up with a load of MIA soldiers!

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

And after spending the last half hour reading up on the ancients it seems that.


- Shields ARE vulnerable to plasma

- The hull strength is comparable to that of the covenant and the UNSC. Meaning that the Forerunner hulls are stronger

- They are sustainable to illness

- Drones are said to go through goauld and wraith ships with easy, that doesn't mean they could cut through ANYTHING like you guys make it seem.

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Posted by: grey101
And after spending the last half hour reading up on the ancients it seems that.


- Shields ARE vulnerable to plasma

Yeah, ungodly plasma spam, yes. I hope you're not saying that the Covenant could beat the Ancients... cause that would be a completely new level of wank.

- The hull strength is comparable to that of the covenant and the UNSC. Meaning that the Forerunner hulls are stronger Yeah. I'd go for Covenant hull strength. The Ancient's hulls aren't made of adamantium, of course.

- They are sustainable to illness
Yeah, the uber-plague from hell.
- Drones are said to go through goauld and wraith ships with easy, that doesn't mean they could cut through ANYTHING like you guys make it seem.
They still ignore shields. That and their easy mass production... drone spam anyone?

Look, the Forerunners are just too powerful eg. numbers, in fleet combat. Ground combat, it's already a forgone conclusion when a single Promethean can fire a single round and vaporize entire continents.

But the Replicators would be able to wreck the Flood. They would be able to destroy the Forerunners. That is how the Ancients would win. And then the Replicators would wipe the Ancients out. >.>

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I truly doubt the replicators could wipe out the ancients of the forerunners at their prime. Even then both races are able to flee to other realms so they wouldn't die off.


The forerunners had an issue with the flood due to it's extra galactic and organic nature. I feel that they would be able to eventually stop the replicators in some fashion, since they have an extreme knowledge of slipspace,other dimensions, and physics.

I just know if the forerunners and ancients teamed up they could beat the replicators, but i don't even think they could stop the flood.

I feel robats are easier to stop than viruses.

  • 05.04.2011 6:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
I feel robots are easier to stop than viruses.

To be honest, if given enough time, the replicators could assimilate an entire planet into replicator blocks. It was in a episode of SG-1. The Replicators repurposed an Asgard time dilation device so that it accelerated time on the planet, giving the replicators practically unlimited time. They turned several miles of crust into pure replicator blocks. All those blocks could be used to make ships.

The Flood needs biomass to survive and to grow. All the Replicators need is raw inanimate materials, which are far more abundant throughout the universe than biological substances.

  • 05.04.2011 6:47 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
I feel robots are easier to stop than viruses.

To be honest, if given enough time, the replicators could assimilate an entire planet into replicator blocks. It was in a episode of SG-1. The Replicators repurposed an Asgard time dilation device so that it accelerated time on the planet, giving the replicators practically unlimited time. They turned several miles of crust into pure replicator blocks. All those blocks could be used to make ships.

The Flood needs biomass to survive and to grow. All the Replicators need is raw inanimate materials, which are far more abundant throughout the universe than biological substances.


Even then, using infection forms on creatures with not enough biomass doesn't give them any combat troops.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
I feel robots are easier to stop than viruses.

To be honest, if given enough time, the replicators could assimilate an entire planet into replicator blocks. It was in a episode of SG-1. The Replicators repurposed an Asgard time dilation device so that it accelerated time on the planet, giving the replicators practically unlimited time. They turned several miles of crust into pure replicator blocks. All those blocks could be used to make ships.

The Flood needs biomass to survive and to grow. All the Replicators need is raw inanimate materials, which are far more abundant throughout the universe than biological substances.


Even then, using infection forms on creatures with not enough biomass doesn't give them any combat troops.


Like i said, in the general Sc-fi universe mechanical problems are more likely to be fixed than biological ones.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
I feel robots are easier to stop than viruses.

To be honest, if given enough time, the replicators could assimilate an entire planet into replicator blocks. It was in a episode of SG-1. The Replicators repurposed an Asgard time dilation device so that it accelerated time on the planet, giving the replicators practically unlimited time. They turned several miles of crust into pure replicator blocks. All those blocks could be used to make ships.

The Flood needs biomass to survive and to grow. All the Replicators need is raw inanimate materials, which are far more abundant throughout the universe than biological substances.


Even then, using infection forms on creatures with not enough biomass doesn't give them any combat troops.


Like i said, in the general Sc-fi universe mechanical problems are more likely to be fixed than biological ones.


So your whole argument is based on "because I said so"?
That's really sketchy.

  • 05.04.2011 7:12 PM PDT

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I have a question:
How do the replicators make themselves "immune" to energy based weapons?

  • 05.04.2011 7:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Now Atlantis' shields can protect against nukes..so...?



The SuperMac platform can fire a ferric tungsten core around 12,000 kilometers per second releasing more kinetic energy than a nuke could, by far. And since its such a localized hit it would create extreme, maybe even puncture through the shield momentarily. If Atlantis had a full compliment of ZPM'S than it would require a lot more than one Mac round, but i think it wouldn't take long considering rate of fire.

  • 05.04.2011 7:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100
I have a question:
How do the replicators make themselves "immune" to energy based weapons?


Better question: would a light beam cut a Replicator in half?

While I know energy weapons are not effective, hard light is an odd substance. I'm not entirely sure what it'd be classified as. Its basically photons but extremely dense, to create a cutting beam (which is why I say it can go through an Ancient shield since photons obviously can).

Plus I doubt the Replicators could survive a supernova.

  • 05.04.2011 7:52 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Spartan 100
I have a question:
How do the replicators make themselves "immune" to energy based weapons?


Better question: would a light beam cut a Replicator in half?

While I know energy weapons are not effective, hard light is an odd substance. I'm not entirely sure what it'd be classified as. Its basically photons but extremely dense, to create a cutting beam (which is why I say it can go through an Ancient shield since photons obviously can).

Plus I doubt the Replicators could survive a supernova.


In technicality, every shield would be weak against that. Thing is, can it even be used as a weapon?

Also, doing a supernova is the biggest "Ilose!" button ever.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
I have a question:
How do the replicators make themselves "immune" to energy based weapons?

They just...are.

Only thing that can affect the bugs is projectile weaponry, which the Forerunners would never think of...

Only thing that can affect the human forms is the Ancient Disruptor tech... which the Forerunners have none of.

  • 05.04.2011 8:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
While I know energy weapons are not effective, hard light is an odd substance. I'm not entirely sure what it'd be classified as. Its basically photons but extremely dense, to create a cutting beam (which is why I say it can go through an Ancient shield since photons obviously can).

I do not think that it has anything to do with photons to be honest. Light in that sense may just be a colloquial term, like the Covenant's "plasma".

A paper came out sometime ago on how to engineer something referred to as "Solid Light" but I do not think that it could be used to make an energy bridge or something like that. It is more to do with making photons interact with each other for computing purposes. Or that is what I gathered from it. Too much jargon for me yet. (Link. Link)

  • 05.04.2011 8:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: Spartan 100
I have a question:
How do the replicators make themselves "immune" to energy based weapons?

They just...are.

Only thing that can affect the bugs is projectile weaponry, which the Forerunners would never think of...

Only thing that can affect the human forms is the Ancient Disruptor tech... which the Forerunners have none of.

They do have many kinds of weapons. The didact's ship alone has thousands of different hand weapons.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: Spartan 100
I have a question:
How do the replicators make themselves "immune" to energy based weapons?

They just...are.

Only thing that can affect the bugs is projectile weaponry, which the Forerunners would never think of...

Only thing that can affect the human forms is the Ancient Disruptor tech... which the Forerunners have none of.

They do have many kinds of weapons. The didact's ship alone has thousands of different hand weapons.

And the chances of them having an Anti-Replicator Gun is...nil.

  • 05.04.2011 9:14 PM PDT

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I can just imagine a group of Warrior-Servants with their suits on walking into a room to fight off some Replicators, then all you hear is them screaming.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I can just imagine a group of Warrior-Servants with their suits on walking into a room to fight off some Replicators, then all you hear is them screaming.

"Get it off, get it off!"
"It burns!" (the Replicators anti-everything acid)
"HELP!"
"ARRRRRGGHHHHH!"
"Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..."

  • 05.04.2011 10:04 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I can just imagine a group of Warrior-Servants with their suits on walking into a room to fight off some Replicators, then all you hear is them screaming.

"Get it off, get it off!"
"It burns!" (the Replicators anti-everything acid)
"HELP!"
"ARRRRRGGHHHHH!"
"Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..."


Repliowned

  • 05.04.2011 10:43 PM PDT

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I think that the covenant armoury would be more than capable of ridding the universe of replicators. Replicators absorb energy but not all forms of energy, if they did they would basically be perpetual motion machines that could live to infinity. And the Ancients didn't know how to do that, if they did they would never have needed ZPM'S or other power sources. And the replicators cant do that either because they still use ZPM'S.

The covenant weapons are based on Ionized Gas, that creates energy, but thermal energy of great temperatures and not the power replicators can transfer. Theoretically a covenant weapon would melt and or vaporize replicator (Human Form and Bug) components. Even if replicators can replicate from the melted parts again, not fast enough in a battle. A fuel rod cannon would destroy a single Human form or multiple bugs in almost a single strike. And a ships glassing beam would devastate an entire ground force at peak charge.

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What about shields? How do they deal with that?

  • 05.05.2011 5:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: ForgedReclaimer
Replicators absorb energy but not all forms of energy, if they did they would basically be perpetual motion machines that could live to infinity.

They would only be PMMs if they were absorbing energy from thermal reservoirs that were of a lower temperature/energy than themselves. No where is that implied, and the energy that they are absorbing is much higher than themselves.

Posted by: ForgedReclaimer
And the Ancients didn't know how to do that, if they did they would never have needed ZPM'S or other power sources. And the replicators cant do that either because they still use ZPM'S.

It is never implied or stated that Replicators use ZPE.

Posted by: ForgedReclaimer
The covenant weapons are based on Ionized Gas, that creates energy,

Creates energy? You just broke physics. :/

Posted by: ForgedReclaimer
but thermal energy of great temperatures and not the power replicators can transfer.

Uhh, yeah, they can. It is of a much higher temperature so therefore they could absorb it.

Posted by: ForgedReclaimer
Theoretically a covenant weapon would melt and or vaporize replicator (Human Form and Bug) components. Even if replicators can replicate from the melted parts again, not fast enough in a battle. A fuel rod cannon would destroy a single Human form or multiple bugs in almost a single strike.

Other than the fuel rod cannon (Explosive force), there is nothing of special note here.

Posted by: ForgedReclaimer
And a ships glassing beam would devastate an entire ground force at peak charge.

Because there are obviously no Replicator ships around to have initiated the infestation in the first place.

¬_¬

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
I feel robots are easier to stop than viruses.

To be honest, if given enough time, the replicators could assimilate an entire planet into replicator blocks. It was in a episode of SG-1. The Replicators repurposed an Asgard time dilation device so that it accelerated time on the planet, giving the replicators practically unlimited time. They turned several miles of crust into pure replicator blocks. All those blocks could be used to make ships.

The Flood needs biomass to survive and to grow. All the Replicators need is raw inanimate materials, which are far more abundant throughout the universe than biological substances.


Even then, using infection forms on creatures with not enough biomass doesn't give them any combat troops.


Like i said, in the general Sc-fi universe mechanical problems are more likely to be fixed than biological ones.


So your whole argument is based on "because I said so"?
That's really sketchy.


I don't understand how you apply something i said in a statement regarding that as a personal opinion to the entire "argument".

I can't tell if you just like typing for the hell of it or if your trying to be annoying or something.

  • 05.05.2011 6:17 PM PDT

I think the "Great Journey" Wins. Ancients won't be able to find them after they teleport through the Halo Array. Those monitors are lying. They teleport everyone within however huge it reaches and teleports them elsewhere.

  • 05.05.2011 6:39 PM PDT