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Just pointing out, as far as we know Onyx is the only place with sentinels like that.

From Cryptum we know there are sentinels capable of taking [but sacarificing themselves] shots from the cruisers and specialized sentinels made to combat spacecrafts.
Edit: But no one told me yet how the replicators interact with shields.

They walk over it... until they adapt... in which case it will never work against them ever again.

Higher evolved forms just ignore shields, though whether or not this is because the Replicators were used to those types of shields, or just because they have advanced so far that they can bypass shielding systems is the true question.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Just pointing out, as far as we know Onyx is the only place with sentinels like that.


And taking it a step further and banking on cryptum 2 to back this up.
Hypocrite. The Ancients are beef powerful due to the books, and one of the books coming out is set in Lantean times... And you say that it's not out yet, so it's not current canon. I can say the same in this situation.

We can assume that only the "true" shield worlds are the ones with that type of sentinel. I can agree with that.

The versions in halowars might have been used for something similar but different. Easy ship/weapon storage.

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How can replicators adapt to bypassing energy shields? What is the science?

If they exchange information then they must have a network. Couldn't an Ancilla hack the network and disrupt it?

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Posted by: Spartan 100
How can replicators adapt to bypassing energy shields? What is the science?

If they exchange information then they must have a network. Couldn't an Ancilla hack the network and disrupt it?

All replicators have a connection with one another. An ancilla hacking said network would be like somebody trying to biologically hack Gravemind. Only way it would work is if the ancilla in question catches the infestation when it is still small... every new replicator created expands the Replicator hive mind exponentially.

I guess you could form a small barrier inside the Replicator mind to slow them down/stop them for a short time... but soon the Replicators would just smash through the "walls" and keep coming... this time they'll be pissed. And it won't work again.

They're like the Borg, only more advanced. And even more unstoppable. With the Borg, they're large targets. And they can't survive without their biological parts. They also have to adapt to energy weapons before they are immune. Everywhere down their line, they're still weak to projectiles.

With the replicators, all it would take is for one bug to escape. They have energy weapon immunity right from the start. Their third stage of 'evolution' is human form replicators, immune to energy weapons AND projectile weapons. The Ancient Disruptor will work for a time, but they'll quickly adapt to that too.

TL;DR, wipe them out before they escape containment/get to human form level.

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Well there is hard light. But most importantly, slipstream space.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Well there is hard light. But most importantly, slipstream space.

Hyperspace = Slipspace. Both have the same effect. Which is nothing on the Replicators.

Is hard light energy? If so, will only take few hours/days for adaptation to penetration.

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Solid photons is what we can presume.
Slipspace the replicators.
Edit: Wouldn't overloading them with energy be bad?

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Well there is hard light. But most importantly, slipstream space.

Hyperspace = Slipspace. Both have the same effect. Which is nothing on the Replicators.

Is hard light energy? If so, will only take few hours/days for adaptation to penetration.


Hyperspace the same as slipspace?

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Slipspace the replicators.
Edit: Wouldn't overloading them with energy be bad?

What, pick the Replicators up and push them somewhere else? Well crap, they can now upgrade themselves without fear of attacks. Might take them some time to get back to the Forerunner empire, but when they do... there is a sure certainty that there will be Human Forms in that mix.

Overloading the replicators with energy... problem with that is you can't. They'll just use that energy to make themselves more stronger... projectiles on T1/T2 stage replicators is the only way to defeat them. Once they get to T3... eep.
'Repliowned', indeed.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: Spartan 100
Well there is hard light. But most importantly, slipstream space.

Hyperspace = Slipspace. Both have the same effect. Which is nothing on the Replicators.

Is hard light energy? If so, will only take few hours/days for adaptation to penetration.


Hyperspace the same as slipspace?

Works on the same principles.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Well there is hard light. But most importantly, slipstream space.

Hyperspace = Slipspace. Both have the same effect. Which is nothing on the Replicators.

Is hard light energy? If so, will only take few hours/days for adaptation to penetration.


Hyperspace the same as slipspace?

I read the stargate wikia about hyperspace and it doesn'tseem like the same thing.
Not exactly. Things are different.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Well there is hard light. But most importantly, slipstream space.

Hyperspace = Slipspace. Both have the same effect. Which is nothing on the Replicators.

Is hard light energy? If so, will only take few hours/days for adaptation to penetration.


Hyperspace the same as slipspace?

I read the stargate wikia about hyperspace and it doesn'tseem like the same thing.
Not exactly. Things are different.

What is different, per say?

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http://www.halopedian.com/Slipspace
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Subspace

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Halo wise slipspace is a Fabric that can be manipulate and can be stressed out. you can also track a ship in slipspace in halo and even pull it out if you have the tech.

All of these are absent in stargate, all it's just a method of space travel that has no explanation or understanding.

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Halo wise slipspace is a Fabric that can be manipulate and can be stressed out. you can also track a ship in slipspace in halo and even pull it out if you have the tech.

All of these are absent in stargate, all it's just a method of space travel that has no explanation or understanding.

You can track a ship in hyperspace with Alteran/Asgard tech. Also, you can even project a field across an entire galaxy that prevents hyperspace travel, and any ship that tries to access it gets disintegrated upon contact with the hyperspace window. That would mess up the Forerunners a bit.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
Halo wise slipspace is a Fabric that can be manipulate and can be stressed out. you can also track a ship in slipspace in halo and even pull it out if you have the tech.

All of these are absent in stargate, all it's just a method of space travel that has no explanation or understanding.

You can track a ship in hyperspace with Alteran/Asgard tech. Also, you can even project a field across an entire galaxy that prevents hyperspace travel, and any ship that tries to access it gets disintegrated upon contact with the hyperspace window. That would mess up the Forerunners a bit.


I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it.

forerunners could do something very similar.

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Posted by: grey101
Halo wise slipspace is a Fabric that can be manipulate and can be stressed out. you can also track a ship in slipspace in halo and even pull it out if you have the tech.

All of these are absent in stargate, all it's just a method of space travel that has no explanation or understanding.

You can track a ship in hyperspace with Alteran/Asgard tech. Also, you can even project a field across an entire galaxy that prevents hyperspace travel, and any ship that tries to access it gets disintegrated upon contact with the hyperspace window. That would mess up the Forerunners a bit.


I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it.

forerunners could do something very similar.

So you're saying that the UNSC could beat the Lanteans down? balls.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101
Halo wise slipspace is a Fabric that can be manipulate and can be stressed out. you can also track a ship in slipspace in halo and even pull it out if you have the tech.

All of these are absent in stargate, all it's just a method of space travel that has no explanation or understanding.

You can track a ship in hyperspace with Alteran/Asgard tech. Also, you can even project a field across an entire galaxy that prevents hyperspace travel, and any ship that tries to access it gets disintegrated upon contact with the hyperspace window. That would mess up the Forerunners a bit.


I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it.

forerunners could do something very similar.

So you're saying that the UNSC could beat the Lanteans down? balls.

You really like to make assumptions don't?

don't see how you got " UNSC could beat the Lanteans down?"

That from "I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it."

This. read stuff fully before you try getting aggressive for no reason.

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Posted by: grey101

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You can track a ship in hyperspace with Alteran/Asgard tech. Also, you can even project a field across an entire galaxy that prevents hyperspace travel, and any ship that tries to access it gets disintegrated upon contact with the hyperspace window. That would mess up the Forerunners a bit.


I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it.

forerunners could do something very similar.

So you're saying that the UNSC could beat the Lanteans down? balls.

You really like to make assumptions don't?

don't see how you got " UNSC could beat the Lanteans down?"

That from "I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it."

This. read stuff fully before you try getting aggressive for no reason.

I thought you were saying "Because the basic Halo races can do this, and the Alterans and other high tier races in Stargate can do this, that means Halo's basic races are equal to or are greater than the Alterans."
Or was that what you were trying to imply?

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You can manipulate normal space using slipspace. Move planets, like strings.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101

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You can track a ship in hyperspace with Alteran/Asgard tech. Also, you can even project a field across an entire galaxy that prevents hyperspace travel, and any ship that tries to access it gets disintegrated upon contact with the hyperspace window. That would mess up the Forerunners a bit.


I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it.

forerunners could do something very similar.

So you're saying that the UNSC could beat the Lanteans down? balls.

You really like to make assumptions don't?

don't see how you got " UNSC could beat the Lanteans down?"

That from "I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it."

This. read stuff fully before you try getting aggressive for no reason.

I thought you were saying "Because the basic Halo races can do this, and the Alterans and other high tier races in Stargate can do this.


Thats what i did say, but all that other stuff you made you yourself. It is common in scfi for something advanced in one universe to be basic in the next.

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I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it.

forerunners could do something very similar.

So you're saying that the UNSC could beat the Lanteans down? balls.

You really like to make assumptions don't?

don't see how you got " UNSC could beat the Lanteans down?"

That from "I was saying that tracking targets in slipspace is standard in halo while in Stargate you need to have a high tech level to do it."

This. read stuff fully before you try getting aggressive for no reason.

I thought you were saying "Because the basic Halo races can do this, and the Alterans and other high tier races in Stargate can do this.


Thats what i did say, but all that other stuff you made you yourself. It is common in scfi for something advanced in one universe to be basic in the next.

I still argue that the Alterans would be able to smash the UNSC and the Covenant easily.

Lanteans would struggle with the Covenant, but still win.

Alterans vs Forerunner... well just remember, when the Alterans moved to the Pegasus galaxy, they were a broken civilization, base remnants of what they once were... imagine what they were before... but the Alterans were a peaceful race, believing it was better to pack up and move away rather than fight.

Lanteans vs Forerunner, Lanteans would put up a good fight against the Forerunner, in the end, the Old Lanteans would be bent over and snapped.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I personally don't care because anybody rooting for anything in stargate neglects how inconsistent their technology is along with the culture and mindset of the ancients.

And i replied to that forerunner game thread.

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I personally don't care because anybody rooting for anything in stargate neglects how inconsistent their technology is along with the culture and mindset of the ancients.

And i replied to that forerunner game thread.


>.< So in the end, you're handwaving it away because of some slight inconsistencies? rrgh.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
I personally don't care because anybody rooting for anything in stargate neglects how inconsistent their technology is along with the culture and mindset of the ancients.

And i replied to that forerunner game thread.


>.< So in the end, you're handwaving it away because of some slight inconsistencies? rrgh.


the Ancients do not have a stable technological tree whatsoever, and you can argue that things had to be done to make the show interesting and keep it alive; rather than actually make a universe that flows even with rocks in the stream

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