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Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?

Skull

I read the novels. He is the best well-rounded Spartan.

  • 05.15.2011 7:54 PM PDT

Skull

Master Chief is the best well-rounded Spartan.
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Posted by: IBumpElectro
Thats weird...in Halseys journal that came with the Limited edition of reach she writes that there was one spartan that stood out. one that was best at everything Spartan 117.


Doubt it, Kelly could outrun him any day, Linda could outsnipe him, Kurt could out-lead him(sp?), Fred could beat him in CQC, etc, etc. If I remember well, Fred always came up in second place in everything, John even mentions that he did it because he didn't want the attention, so if there is a "best" Spartan, that'd be Fred.

  • 05.15.2011 7:56 PM PDT

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Fred is the most well rounded.

  • 05.15.2011 7:57 PM PDT

117 was good at one thing- being in the right place at the right time.

  • 05.15.2011 8:06 PM PDT

It's a little late to have any real impact on the argument, but I thought a point should be reemphasized.

People say that other spartans in Chief's position could have done just as well, but there is a huge degree of uncertainty.

Chief DID it, and how everything (within his power) worked out to a completely ideal result. To say any other spartan could have done that is a tall order.

Sure most spartans probably would have been able to handle each level of the three games individually, but the fact that Chief was successful time after time after time is where the luck comes into play.

Another factor is that Chief and Cortana were so compatible, who's to say that another spartan would have been as successful?


But I digress... the level of consistence of success that the Chief saw through the series is unprecedented.

Also, I like to think that Chief was above average in everything, but not necessarily the best at anything.

  • 05.15.2011 8:14 PM PDT

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Would you prefer a Honda Civic, which has good MPG, decent cargo capacity, and a tough engine, or a Lamborghini Countach which is exceptionally fast, has absolutely horrid MPG, has no cargo space, and requires frequent maintenance?

I like you analogy sir.

  • 05.15.2011 8:52 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

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Posted by: DekarLawrencium
I would say, from my experiences in life, that quantifiable attributes do not completely define how skilled you are at anything. There is always that 'something' that some people are able to do that defies expectations and is unable to be measured. That's what Halsey meant by 'luck.' She saw that John had the spark of insight that led him to the right conclusion on how to get through a multitude of desperate situations. You don't need to be the smartest, the strongest or the fastest to excel; you just need that drive. Chief had that drive; Halsey could see it in his eyes, hear it in his speech and see it in his every action. That's why Kurt was second-best, because he lacked John's incorrigible determination to always win, excel and exceed.

John also had the insight to get ambushed pretty frequently...

:/


Fred, Kelly, and Linda all fell into the Innie trap too...it wasn't just Chief. I don't see why it happening to Chief automatically makes him any less than the other three who also fell for the same trap. Even the best make mistakes sometimes, but one mistake (no matter how big) does not mean one is not the best...and as far as John's military career has been told in the story that was the only instance of him ever being taken in an ambush.


You're forgetting about the Grunts on the Pillar of Autumn... and the Flood... and falling into Gravemind's trap... among others...

  • 05.15.2011 9:32 PM PDT

Posted by: Backfjre
It's a little late to have any real impact on the argument, but I thought a point should be reemphasized.

People say that other spartans in Chief's position could have done just as well, but there is a huge degree of uncertainty.

Chief DID it, and how everything (within his power) worked out to a completely ideal result. To say any other spartan could have done that is a tall order.

Sure most spartans probably would have been able to handle each level of the three games individually, but the fact that Chief was successful time after time after time is where the luck comes into play.

Another factor is that Chief and Cortana were so compatible, who's to say that another spartan would have been as successful?


But I digress... the level of consistence of success that the Chief saw through the series is unprecedented.

Also, I like to think that Chief was above average in everything, but not necessarily the best at anything.


Luck is such a ridiculous thing to base an argument off of. I mean, really? How can you look at yourself...? You honestly think 'luck' has any standing? Pffffffffft.

  • 05.15.2011 9:34 PM PDT

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I believe that john only had one quality, which Cortana states in the beginning of H3 which is luck.

  • 05.15.2011 9:47 PM PDT

Posted by: killstreakParty
I believe that john only had one quality, which Cortana states in the beginning of H3 which is luck.


Now you're just trying to p**s me off aren't you...?

  • 05.15.2011 9:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: killstreakParty
I believe that john only had one quality, which Cortana states in the beginning of H3 which is luck.

Luck is such a lame concept. There is no such thing as luck. It's all chance. "Luck" doesn't make a soldier better any more than it makes a footballer better. John was good because he was good, there was no supernatural reason behind it.

[Edited on 05.15.2011 9:52 PM PDT]

  • 05.15.2011 9:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: killstreakParty
I believe that john only had one quality, which Cortana states in the beginning of H3 which is luck.


Now you're just trying to p**s me off aren't you...?

Now how would i do that Im stating a fact.

  • 05.15.2011 9:51 PM PDT

Posted by: killstreakParty

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: killstreakParty
I believe that john only had one quality, which Cortana states in the beginning of H3 which is luck.


Now you're just trying to p**s me off aren't you...?

Now how would i do that Im stating a fact.


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Luck is such a lame concept. There is no such thing as look. It's all chance. "Luck" doesn't make a soldier better any more than it makes a footballer better. John was good because he was good, there was no supernatural reason behind it.


Luck is for losers.


[Edited on 05.15.2011 9:52 PM PDT]

  • 05.15.2011 9:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: killstreakParty

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Posted by: killstreakParty
I believe that john only had one quality, which Cortana states in the beginning of H3 which is luck.


Now you're just trying to p**s me off aren't you...?

Now how would i do that Im stating a fact.


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Luck is such a lame concept. There is no such thing as look. It's all chance. "Luck" doesn't make a soldier better any more than it makes a footballer better. John was good because he was good, there was no supernatural reason behind it.


Luck is for losers.

Then are you implying that john is a loser.

  • 05.15.2011 9:53 PM PDT

Posted by: killstreakParty

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: killstreakParty

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: killstreakParty
I believe that john only had one quality, which Cortana states in the beginning of H3 which is luck.


Now you're just trying to p**s me off aren't you...?

Now how would i do that Im stating a fact.


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Luck is such a lame concept. There is no such thing as look. It's all chance. "Luck" doesn't make a soldier better any more than it makes a footballer better. John was good because he was good, there was no supernatural reason behind it.


Luck is for losers.

Then are you implying that john is a loser.


No, you are implying that John was a loser by calling him lucky.

A true bada$$ wouldn't need luck to be exceptional...

[Edited on 05.15.2011 9:55 PM PDT]

  • 05.15.2011 9:54 PM PDT

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He thinks on his feet and pulls ideas out of his a$$. so i believe(oh no an opinion) that luck/timing/pure chance, has something to do with it. And I'm not "implying" that he is a loser
you are assuming that i am from your opinion on luck.

  • 05.15.2011 9:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: killstreakParty
He thinks on his feet and pulls ideas out of his a$$. so i believe(oh no an opinion) that luck/timing/pure chance, has something to do with it. And I'm not "implying" that he is a loser
you are assuming that i am from your opinion on luck.

Do you not realise that all "luck" boils down to is timing and chance? The Chief was just in the right place at the right time. Any Spartan put in his shoes would have done the same.

  • 05.15.2011 10:02 PM PDT

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Master chief wasn't the best Spartan out there? Yet he was one of the very few still alive after the events of Halo 3.

Yeah he was pretty average if you ask me.

/Sarcasm

  • 05.15.2011 10:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: SHAOLINMONKEY 93
Master chief wasn't the best Spartan out there? Yet he was one of the very few still alive after the events of Halo 3.

Yeah he was pretty average if you ask me.

/Sarcasm

if the Chief was put in the same position as most of the Spartans who did die he too would be dead. Besides, the Best Spartan is still alive, Fred.
Oh, and there are over 300 Spartans left.

  • 05.15.2011 10:10 PM PDT

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His leadership may be his skill. But his luck is what truly made him. All novels state it.

  • 05.15.2011 10:11 PM PDT

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He does however, have all the luck.

  • 05.15.2011 10:21 PM PDT

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Yeah, the Chief keeps a seven leaf clover in his armour, never walks under ladders and avoids black cats like the plague. That's why he was such a successful soldier. Nothing to do with a lifetimes worth of rigorous training and combat experience.

  • 05.15.2011 10:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
A true bada$$ wouldn't need luck to be exceptional...


Good point... I think.


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Yeah, the Chief keeps a seven leaf clover in his armour, never walks under ladders and avoids black cats like the plague. That's why he was such a successful soldier. Nothing to do with a lifetimes worth of rigorous training and combat experience.


I thought it was because he sucked the luck from everybody else, hence why everybody that fights beside him dies...

Keyes (both of them), Johnson, countless marines...

  • 05.15.2011 11:29 PM PDT
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Chief actually changed the probability vectors in his favor in all matter he interacts with, and all situations he perceives, which is colloquially referred to as "luck". He's just that badass ladies and gentlemen.

  • 05.16.2011 12:16 AM PDT