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Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?

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Posted by: MGTrey
Chief's dossier > everyone else's dossier.

Defeating the Flood > black ink.

Destroying one Halo single handedly > black ink.

Blocking a missile with his hands > black ink.


You should add that without Cortana, he would never have done any of that.

  • 05.17.2011 4:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: MGTrey
Chief's dossier > everyone else's dossier.

Defeating the Flood > black ink.

Destroying one Halo single handedly > black ink.

Blocking a missile with his hands > black ink.


You should add that without Cortana, he would never have done any of that.


All of the events in Halo 3 > black ink.

  • 05.17.2011 4:36 PM PDT


Posted by: MGTrey

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MGTrey
Chief's dossier > everyone else's dossier.

Defeating the Flood > black ink.

Destroying one Halo single handedly > black ink.

Blocking a missile with his hands > black ink.


You should add that without Cortana, he would never have done any of that.


All of the events in Halo 3 > black ink.


Chief's dossier = the other Spartans among the best's dossier.

Going prior to the halo events. Why? Because since no other Spartan was able to take part, we cannot assume they would fail,

But yeah, overall before the halo events, Chief shared his mission deployments, and most of the medals with the members of blue team, aka the best Spartan IIs.

  • 05.17.2011 5:00 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: MGTrey

All of the events in Halo 3 > black ink.

That argument doesn't work when we all know what happened.

  • 05.17.2011 5:35 PM PDT

I think it really comes down to an element of superstition, and what people perceive luck as.

But also, an analogy :D
If you have a team of great High School basketball players, and only one makes it to the big time (other players suffer injuries); people won't argue when that one player reaches the hall of fame and say that 'his buddy from 10 years ago could have done better', because it doesn't matter. This player did it, could the others have? Maybe... maybe.

You could say that any spartan could have done what Chief did, but there are tons of outliers within judgement, fighting style, tactics, chance, bravery, proficiency, compatibility with Cortana, even morale.

Maybe another spartan could have done what Chief was able to do, but Chief did it. He accomplished successfully to created the most ridiculous dossier in the Haloverse, where as no matter what you say, there is still an element of doubt as to whether another spartan could do the same.



Here's another perspective, when a scholar asks 'Who was the worst president?', the top 2 worst would be Harrison or Garfield. The reason these 2 are rated the worst, because they were assassinated before doing much of anything. Scholars don't ponder 'what COULD they have done', because that is irrelevant to what was actually accomplished.

[Edited on 05.17.2011 6:34 PM PDT]

  • 05.17.2011 6:28 PM PDT

The Human race is the parasite of the Earth. The galaxy is the host of the Earth. The universe is the parasite of something much grander...

and that fact that he inst the last spartan

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  • 05.17.2011 6:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gamer Whale
Also, he locked his armor.


wow mast3r ch33f uses armor lock what a scrub


(He was the best at being lucky).

  • 05.17.2011 6:56 PM PDT


Posted by: nubyw00tz
(He was the best at being lucky).


And how is that possible?

  • 05.18.2011 12:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Backfjre
I think it really comes down to an element of superstition, and what people perceive luck as.

But also, an analogy :D
If you have a team of great High School basketball players, and only one makes it to the big time (other players suffer injuries); people won't argue when that one player reaches the hall of fame and say that 'his buddy from 10 years ago could have done better', because it doesn't matter. This player did it, could the others have? Maybe... maybe.

You could say that any spartan could have done what Chief did, but there are tons of outliers within judgement, fighting style, tactics, chance, bravery, proficiency, compatibility with Cortana, even morale.

Maybe another spartan could have done what Chief was able to do, but Chief did it. He accomplished successfully to created the most ridiculous dossier in the Haloverse, where as no matter what you say, there is still an element of doubt as to whether another spartan could do the same.



Here's another perspective, when a scholar asks 'Who was the worst president?', the top 2 worst would be Harrison or Garfield. The reason these 2 are rated the worst, because they were assassinated before doing much of anything. Scholars don't ponder 'what COULD they have done', because that is irrelevant to what was actually accomplished.


You have to take into account everyone that helped him get there.

-Noble Six
-Halsey
-Keyes
-Cortana

...especially Cortana.

It wasn't luck though. He wouldn't have gotten far without Cortana, he wouldn't have even passed the training grounds. He would've died right there, had it not been for her.

Also, not many remember, but in the Halo 3 Announcement Trailer, Cortana says I am your shield...I...am...your...sword.

Cortana is the Master Chief's deadliest weapon, not luck.

[Edited on 05.18.2011 12:29 AM PDT]

  • 05.18.2011 12:28 AM PDT

Halo Books =/= canon if you think about it.

Canon follows what comes first. The books came out after Halo: CE was released and they werent written by Bungie themselves. So for all we know, they were written by guys who think they know what they are talking about. And who knows, in Bungie's universe, many of these things may have happened. But since CE came before the books, you would be smart to follow whatever CE tells you and speculate whether the books are canon.

Why does everyone think the books are always right?

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  • 05.18.2011 7:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: And1223
Halo Books =/= canon if you think about it.

Canon follows what comes first. The books came out after Halo: CE was released and they werent written by Bungie themselves. So for all we know, they were written by guys who think they know what they are talking about.

Wrong, TFoR came out before Halo CE was released and Nylund's story was confirmed canon by Bungie.

And who knows, in Bungie's universe, many of these things may have happened. But since CE came before the books, you would be smart to follow whatever CE tells you and speculate whether the books are canon.
Again, the books are very much canon and are what actually gives the Halo universe more depth.

Why does everyone think the books are always right?
Because the books are an integral part of the lore and expand and develop the universe in ways a game cannot. If we disregard them then we're disregarding a huge chunk of the fiction.

  • 05.18.2011 8:31 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Why don't people understand that Spartan II's and III's got the SAME augmentations? The only difference were the methods used, the survival rates and the fact that Spartan III's didn't need the thyroid implant due to their bones not having metal grafted into them, so they could grow normally like any other person. That's the reason Spartan II's needed the growth hormone, or else they would have ended the size of Danny Devito.

  • 05.18.2011 9:49 AM PDT

while he isnt the best in any one area he is moderately good at everything. and he is determined as all hell, an excellent fighter, and knows how to act in a multitude of situations. sure Linda can out snipe him but that is her one primary area. the chief can effectively compete in every aspect making him overall the best spartan because he is so good at everything. just because hes beaten doesnt mean hes bad. hes also the luckiest i believe

  • 05.18.2011 12:14 PM PDT

Let's be honest, it could be a lot worse.

Good point. Just look at Halo3 compared to Reach. John can jump, Noble six can sprint, use a knife, use a jetpack, lock his armor, and use a hologram.

  • 05.18.2011 3:40 PM PDT

"You dead yet? No? You will be!"

"How you like them pears? Guess what I mean by pears."

"I'm gonna rip off his partridge and kick him in the pear tree!"

But John had one thing that the others didn't. Luck.

  • 05.18.2011 7:37 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
Good point. Just look at Halo3 compared to Reach. John can jump, Noble six can sprint, use a knife, use a jetpack, lock his armor, and use a hologram.

Don't forget, he can also evade and use unlimited bubble shields.

  • 05.18.2011 9:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Backfjre
I think it really comes down to an element of superstition, and what people perceive luck as.

But also, an analogy :D
If you have a team of great High School basketball players, and only one makes it to the big time (other players suffer injuries); people won't argue when that one player reaches the hall of fame and say that 'his buddy from 10 years ago could have done better', because it doesn't matter. This player did it, could the others have? Maybe... maybe.

You could say that any spartan could have done what Chief did, but there are tons of outliers within judgement, fighting style, tactics, chance, bravery, proficiency, compatibility with Cortana, even morale.

Maybe another spartan could have done what Chief was able to do, but Chief did it. He accomplished successfully to created the most ridiculous dossier in the Haloverse, where as no matter what you say, there is still an element of doubt as to whether another spartan could do the same.



Here's another perspective, when a scholar asks 'Who was the worst president?', the top 2 worst would be Harrison or Garfield. The reason these 2 are rated the worst, because they were assassinated before doing much of anything. Scholars don't ponder 'what COULD they have done', because that is irrelevant to what was actually accomplished.


To my understanding of you said, this post rather accurately sums up my thoughts. I say Chief is the best because of what he has done, if it had been some other Spartan who had done everything instead, then I would say they are the best. The other Spartans may have done well, but that point is moot because they didn't do it, doesn't mean they aren't amongst the best or anything of the sort, but Chief is the best because of what he has done.

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We never got to play or see any of the other SPARTAN's in action. Noble team doesn't count.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
Good point. Just look at Halo3 compared to Reach. John can jump, Noble six can sprint, use a knife, use a jetpack, lock his armor, and use a hologram.

Don't forget, he can also evade and use unlimited bubble shields.

And Six still got his beans smashed.

  • 05.19.2011 8:10 PM PDT

dude do you even know what ur talkin about.... all of noble are spartan III's except jorge.. reaches story is bull to those who love halo.. but you are right about a few things

  • 05.19.2011 8:15 PM PDT

and the cheif got luck in my experience theres no skill that can match it

  • 05.19.2011 8:17 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: nightspark
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
Good point. Just look at Halo3 compared to Reach. John can jump, Noble six can sprint, use a knife, use a jetpack, lock his armor, and use a hologram.

Don't forget, he can also evade and use unlimited bubble shields.

And Six still got his beans smashed.

By seven high ranking Elites, I think that is better than Chief's punny fight against a Minor in Gamma station or against the Ship master of the Ascendant Justice.

  • 05.19.2011 8:40 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: nightspark
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
Good point. Just look at Halo3 compared to Reach. John can jump, Noble six can sprint, use a knife, use a jetpack, lock his armor, and use a hologram.

Don't forget, he can also evade and use unlimited bubble shields.

And Six still got his beans smashed.

By seven high ranking Elites, I think that is better than Chief's punny fight against a Minor in Gamma station or against the Ship master of the Ascendant Justice.



the chief has had plenty of serious fights against tough opponents and come out on top fighting by himself... including taking out numerous pairs of hunters too

  • 05.19.2011 9:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: nightspark
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
Good point. Just look at Halo3 compared to Reach. John can jump, Noble six can sprint, use a knife, use a jetpack, lock his armor, and use a hologram.

Don't forget, he can also evade and use unlimited bubble shields.

And Six still got his beans smashed.

By seven high ranking Elites, I think that is better than Chief's punny fight against a Minor in Gamma station or against the Ship master of the Ascendant Justice.



the chief has had plenty of serious fights against tough opponents and come out on top fighting by himself... including taking out numerous pairs of hunters too


...with Cortana.

  • 05.19.2011 9:59 PM PDT