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"The object of war is not die for your counrty but to make the other bastard die for his."
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Sector Z 157
I'm sorry but I would rather a mediocre Spartan who's a better leader than a fast Spartan who can't self manage. In comparison, what makes John the best, is that he survived. Think about it, Who's alive, and who isn't?
So, using that logic, I come to this conclusion.
That squad has a fairly good record. And that guy always comes back from a battle unscathed. Regardless of the fact he was a coward and bolted at the first sign of trouble, he survived EVERY encounter. Therefore, using your logic, he's the best.
God you have pissed me off throughout this thread. Use your head; you give other people -blam!- for coming in here and not thinking and just spouting fanboyism, when you can't even use your own head to interpret a post...
What sector is saying is that throughout the series Spartans have done incredible things and that after all of this John remains alive, whereas Six died. Obviously, dying is not a direct measure of 'greatness', but it does factor into your record. If you do great things and die; and then someone else does great things...and then continues to do great things because they are still alive; they -could- have a greater impact no?
Again; the point is that throughout all of this John has managed to stay alive AND complete his mission. That in and of itself, makes me think that someone is 'better' at there job. There is a difference between bad-ass and greatness. I think Six is pretty bad-ass for what he did, but is he better than John? No, because for many different reasons John was on the POA and Six was on the ground rather than the other way around.
I mean I giver Six his credit for what he did, but I also dis-count the final cut-scene. But is he better than John? Again, no...feel free to disagree here, but someone who can lead people extremely effectively, can perform to a level greater than many spartans and thus allows him to think about many different options rather than rely on his specialty (I use rely loosely; obviously all the spartans are able to perform the needed tasks, but John's non-specialty allows him to consider each option as equally important.); has remained alive (see no mention of cowards here we're in a thread about spartans, remember?); is considered by Halsey to be the best spartan; was chosen by Cortana because he was the in her opinion 'lucky'; DID happen to save the galaxy; need we go on?
Secondly, your grasp of logic is questionable at best if that's what you could grasp out of that. Sector described a situation where he would rather be a Spartan that works with his peers better and may not excel in a particular category; rather than being a spartan who was ridiculously fast, but couldn't necessarily think far enough ahead to consider a different option because they were too focused on their specialty. (another reason jack of all trades tend to succeed, even if they may not be the best at any one thing)
So let's say it again;
Natural Leader; Remains alive to perform his job; Non-specialty, but excels in every category; The bravest; the luckiest (although as discussed I think this is due to other factors); Considered by Halsey to be the best; Chosen by Cortana; DID happen to save the galaxy (maybe others could maybe they couldn't point is...he did)
Is John some kind of god? No
Is John better than Six? Yes
Is John more bad-ass than Six? Meh, I'd give this one to Six for the ending cut-scene even if I dis-count it canon wise
Is Six more bad-ass than Johnson? Not a chance ;)