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Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?

Tariq

wat does that have to do freakin halo u suck

  • 07.12.2011 12:19 AM PDT


Posted by: Honourable Elite
Even the books say that Fred was better than John in nearly every way, it's just that Fred "didn't like the attention". Since John was second place, he got the leader and all that, whilst Fred just led a separate team whenever the Spartan-IIs split up.

When I look at it, each surviving Spartan (and even some of the ones that died) have their own little trait to make themselves stand out from the others.

John had an unbelievable amount of luck.

Fred was also a good leader and soldier, but just didn't like the attention.

Linda was the best sharpshooter.

Kelly was the fastest.

Kurt could 'sense' ambushes and traps by generally having a bad feeling just before it happened. Not to mention that he was a great leader for the Spartan-IIIs.

I'll bet that some other community members can add to that little list, too. Oh, and just to add to your last bit, actually the other Spartan with the "hyper lethal" rating WAS John.


It said he always took second place in their training exercises, never said who he took second to, but I'm inclined to believe that would be John. And it actually does not say that Fred was better, it says he probably could have been better, so we actually don't know if he is or not, because that line is speculation.

All the rest of your post is quite accurate. I will add though that John was most definitely the best leader the SIIs had, there's a reason why he was made leader of all the Spartan IIs and given charge of the best squad.

  • 07.16.2011 8:26 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Honourable Elite
Even the books say that Fred was better than John in nearly every way, it's just that Fred "didn't like the attention". Since John was second place, he got the leader and all that, whilst Fred just led a separate team whenever the Spartan-IIs split up.

When I look at it, each surviving Spartan (and even some of the ones that died) have their own little trait to make themselves stand out from the others.

John had an unbelievable amount of luck.

Fred was also a good leader and soldier, but just didn't like the attention.

Linda was the best sharpshooter.

Kelly was the fastest.

Kurt could 'sense' ambushes and traps by generally having a bad feeling just before it happened. Not to mention that he was a great leader for the Spartan-IIIs.

I'll bet that some other community members can add to that little list, too. Oh, and just to add to your last bit, actually the other Spartan with the "hyper lethal" rating WAS John.


It said he always took second place in their training exercises, never said who he took second to, but I'm inclined to believe that would be John. And it actually does not say that Fred was better, it says he probably could have been better, so we actually don't know if he is or not, because that line is speculation.

All the rest of your post is quite accurate. I will add though that John was most definitely the best leader the SIIs had, there's a reason why he was made leader of all the Spartan IIs and given charge of the best squad.


Could he really have possibly taken first in nearly every challenge, when Halsey specifically says that he wasn't the strongest, fastest, or smartest? You could be right, but I'm not sure how he could when Halsey said that.

  • 07.22.2011 7:02 AM PDT

Greetings from Singapore:)

Good point. In Halopedia, they are the ONLY 2 spartans to have a "Hyper-Lethal Vector" rating.

  • 07.22.2011 7:06 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Honourable Elite
Even the books say that Fred was better than John in nearly every way, it's just that Fred "didn't like the attention". Since John was second place, he got the leader and all that, whilst Fred just led a separate team whenever the Spartan-IIs split up.

When I look at it, each surviving Spartan (and even some of the ones that died) have their own little trait to make themselves stand out from the others.

John had an unbelievable amount of luck.

Fred was also a good leader and soldier, but just didn't like the attention.

Linda was the best sharpshooter.

Kelly was the fastest.

Kurt could 'sense' ambushes and traps by generally having a bad feeling just before it happened. Not to mention that he was a great leader for the Spartan-IIIs.

I'll bet that some other community members can add to that little list, too. Oh, and just to add to your last bit, actually the other Spartan with the "hyper lethal" rating WAS John.


It said he always took second place in their training exercises, never said who he took second to, but I'm inclined to believe that would be John. And it actually does not say that Fred was better, it says he probably could have been better, so we actually don't know if he is or not, because that line is speculation.

All the rest of your post is quite accurate. I will add though that John was most definitely the best leader the SIIs had, there's a reason why he was made leader of all the Spartan IIs and given charge of the best squad.


Could he really have possibly taken first in nearly every challenge, when Halsey specifically says that he wasn't the strongest, fastest, or smartest? You could be right, but I'm not sure how he could when Halsey said that.


I think it's possible, there are more factors than just innate skill in a specific type of contest, just because you have more innate skill at a particular type of combat or attribute does not mean that you will always perform the absolute best all the time, and John did beat everyone on the "playground" on the Spartans first real day of training *shrug*

And plus since we don't exactly know how placing works in the contests they had, so I don't think John can be ruled out of the running at all just because leadership is his only real particular skill. In addition there's the events of the First Trilogy to take into account, we've all seen the caliber of what he did throughout it, I personally think that speaks volumes concerning his skills and I'm not so sure that any other Spartan could have done all of it and survived the whole ordeal. And yes I know John didn't breeze through the First Trilogy with complete ease and no difficulties, it would have been very difficult, yet he still did it all and survived to the very end.

  • 07.22.2011 9:19 AM PDT

Bacon

sigh.. John is alive the others are dead john is the best, period.


;d

  • 07.22.2011 11:24 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: EliteForce 115
sigh.. John is alive the others are dead john is the best, period.


;d

What terrible logic.

  • 07.22.2011 11:25 AM PDT

Bacon


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: EliteForce 115
sigh.. John is alive the others are dead john is the best, period.


;d

What terrible logic.


No I think its pretty solid actually. But seriously John saved earth and none of us can know if Fred or any other spartan could have done the things he did..Because they are dead.

  • 07.22.2011 11:28 AM PDT

Nate-117

John 117 was not average he was a jack-of-all-trades Spartan he wasn't the specialist, he was good at everything but was not the best. And you forgot kne thing that he had... Luck

  • 07.22.2011 12:00 PM PDT

Nate-117


Posted by: EliteForce 115

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: EliteForce 115
sigh.. John is alive the others are dead john is the best, period.


;d

What terrible logic.



Technically all of the other Spartans are in the dyson sphere at onyx.
No I think its pretty solid actually. But seriously John saved earth and none of us can know if Fred or any other spartan could have done the things he did..Because they are dead.

  • 07.22.2011 12:02 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: EliteForce 115

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: EliteForce 115
sigh.. John is alive the others are dead john is the best, period.


;d

What terrible logic.


No I think its pretty solid actually. But seriously John saved earth and none of us can know if Fred or any other spartan could have done the things he did..Because they are dead.


You don't read the books do you?

  • 07.22.2011 12:03 PM PDT

Nate-117


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: EliteForce 115

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: EliteForce 115
sigh.. John is alive the others are dead john is the best, period.


;d

What terrible logic.






THANK YOU

No I think its pretty solid actually. But seriously John saved earth and none of us can know if Fred or any other spartan could have done the things he did..Because they are dead.


You don't read the books do you?

  • 07.22.2011 12:06 PM PDT

Nate-117

Lol sorry I'm not that good at quoting

  • 07.22.2011 12:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Nate II7
John 117 was not average he was a jack-of-all-trades Spartan he wasn't the specialist, he was good at everything but was not the best. And you forgot kne thing that he had... Luck


Superstitious things like luck do not exist.

  • 07.24.2011 4:01 PM PDT

there is an error in your logic cortana said she wanted to go with chief because she said he was lucky and that he had a superior combat instinct

  • 07.24.2011 4:06 PM PDT


Posted by: calvinj10
there is an error in your logic cortana said she wanted to go with chief because she said he was lucky and that he had a superior combat instinct


Superstitious things like luck do not exist.

  • 07.24.2011 4:14 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: calvinj10
there is an error in your logic cortana said she wanted to go with chief because she said he was lucky and that he had a superior combat instinct


Superstitious things like luck do not exist.

Then maybe you'll believe it was john's geas that helped him through his trials.

  • 07.24.2011 4:58 PM PDT

Well, whenever I play as the Master Chief, he's the best.

Don't know about any time else, but man, is he a lot better when I'm controlling him.

And that's all the logic that matters to me.

  • 07.24.2011 5:23 PM PDT


Posted by: EliteForce 115
sigh.. John is alive the others are dead john is the best, period.


;d


I believe what you are saying here is that John is automatically the best by default because is the only Spartan alive, thus being the only sample he is the best? :P That would be a good argument if it were true, but Blue Team is still alive, so it doesn't really work.

And the argument that the other Spartans died and John lives so he's the best doesn't really work either.

  • 07.24.2011 7:03 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: Nate II7
John 117 was not average he was a jack-of-all-trades Spartan he wasn't the specialist, he was good at everything but was not the best. And you forgot kne thing that he had... Luck


Superstitious things like luck do not exist.


I disagree, there is plenty of evidence that what can only be called luck exists, at least within Halo's story universe, it is most definitely something more than luck and something much more meaningful. I think one of the Didact's lines early along in Cryptum further backs up that "luck" is some intangible, yet very real, aspect of the universe. He says of the Librarian "Luck is her way."

  • 07.24.2011 7:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Docterweegee
Master chief helped kill Osama (Snacks if you get this)


Stephen Colbert, I see...

  • 07.24.2011 8:54 PM PDT

Nate-117

The other Spartans ARE NOT DEAD. The remains of blue team, and 2 Spartan III squads along with dr.halsey are trapped in the onyx dyson sphere

  • 07.24.2011 9:10 PM PDT

Shape Up or Ship Out*

my interpretation is Fred technically was the "best" since he was second at everything besides being the best spotter as said by the master chief.

every spartan had their own special skill set and were off the charts compared to any special forces leading to the assumption that every spartan was the jack of all trades.

John was the best leader, could inspire people and had the best luck (guess who had second best luck you guessed it Fred.) I mean the master chief is a bamf and is the most recognized, most decorated, but had Cortana which would make any other spartan better.

All in all Master Chief like the rest of the Spartans were the best at something. So there truly is no "Best Spartan" sure going through the halo series is quite a challenge but many Spartans would, if asked, accept it and even accomplish it.

  • 07.25.2011 1:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: ZeroXFallen
Because you play as him. Three times. He's the poster-child of last generation first person shooters and the Xbox / Xbox 360. If you played as Kelly or Linda instead, we'd think of them the same way. It's as simple as that.

  • 07.25.2011 1:40 AM PDT


Wrong! Noble six didn't survive or complete every mission, did you forget about SURVIVING.So far mastercheifs done what he hasn't.:PPosted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: UNOCK
For all you idiots wondering who is better, chief or Noble 6... play the freaking games. In the end, Noble 6 failed his/her mission, the Master Chief had a hand in ending the Human - Covenant war, defeating the flood, and preventing the Halo Array from being fired.

Noble 6 died on Reach.

If you ask me who would win in a fight between Noble 6 and Master Chief, I'd say it'd be a good tie. But Noble 6 was a grunt, and John was the leader of the Spartan II's.


Wrong.

Six completed EVERY assignment given to him/her. Everything six was asked to do was completed successfully. Tell me what mission Six had that was failed.

Six dying on Reach is moot point to who is better.

Six was not a grunt. Six was a lone wolf and VERY good assassin.

Heh, I think your going into a little rage there caneut :P. I agree with you Master Chief is definitely among the best spartans, and it'd probably take one of those number to survive and succeed at the halo events. The guy is going a little too far in saying compared to Spartans Chief was just generic and mediocre.

Edit: Fail on my end, confused you caneut for orderedcoma. same avatar :P.

  • 07.25.2011 2:28 AM PDT