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Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Surperion93

Doubt it, Kelly could outrun him any day, Linda could outsnipe him, Kurt could out-lead him

He has been shown to run faster then Kelly in training. Also he took leadership during a mission with the other Spartans when they were younger and he naturally took charge, did Kurt? No, John did, meaning he is a natrual leader. Kurt may also have strong leadership qualities but it doesn't mean he is better then John (nor John better then Kurt but he did prove himself a great leader that day). He has done so much for the cause of humanity that he may aswell be a symbol to every human of what a Spartan is capable of! Also he is a very lucky Spartan! He has been seen doing some pretty amazing things that can only be down to Luck and Skill. To top it all off he has managed to survive long enough to acquire Mk VI armour which makes him even more deadly whilst at the same time having Cortana pick him (out of all the others she could of picked) and lets face it, having a smart AI in your armour is a huge advantage. Why would she pick him if she did not think he was worth the effort?

I have no doubt other Spartans could do what he did but he is MORE then just avarage! It's ridiculous to even suggest he is! Put all of what I said together and it shows that he isn't just a jack of all trades but someone that can't be called 'avarage' even by Spartan standards.

I don't love Master Chief like some people I've seen on this post but I can not deny that out of all the spartans he is the most recognised for his part in the war and how lucky/skilled he is.



He wasn't faster then Kelly at ANY point during training. If you are talking to the first playground episode that is because he was a dumbass and ditched his team.

You basically said "Master Chief is an 'average' Spartan." when you went "He's a symbol for what a Spartan can do!"

Also, I personally believe there was a slight bias when Cortana picked, due to being made from Halsey's brain and Halsey liking chief the best.



Actually in The Fall of Reach 2010 edition, Kelly, while in her Mk V Armor reached her top speed recorded at 62 km/h or 38.5 mph whereas John-117 has been clocked running at around 105 km/h or 65.2 mph during a training exercise BUT he could only run this speed for a very short period of time because he put so much strain on his 'Achilles tendon' and it was torn because the strain put on his body was unsustainable

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Posted by: Mutoid Log
He could be the second best at everything.


Fred was, actually, the second best at everything. Literally everything. John thought he could have come in first for everything, but just hated the attention.


"John thought he could have come in first for everything, but just hated the attention"

you sir have just bull-blamed yourself , if john wanted to be the best , he could have been the best , bout wiht this statment , your are now saying that he never preformed at his 100% , and knowing this we cant know if in the trilogy he preformd at 100% , or just did 10%

Sir , MC is the best spartan that we know untill now , next gen halo will preve otherwise??? , we still dont know , but until now he is the beast


Is John the best at predicting when a trap or ambush is up ahead? Nope.

Is he the best sniper? Nope.

Is he the fastest runner? Nope.

Is he the smartest? Nope.

Is he the strongest? Nope.

Is he the biggest? Nope.

How can he be the best if he really doesn't excel in any other category against the other Spartans?


See there is your problem,you think that a Spartan becomes the best if he/she has a speciality,sure that speciality is good for one situation(like Kelly for a sprint match,...)but your speciality won't help you in other situations like Linda against the flood with the sniper.That's why you need to be good at overall instead of one categorie.

Funny how people use this argument but then turn around and say Six is the best spartan,even if Six hasn't a "speciality" either.

  • 05.05.2011 8:41 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Keeno, just saying, it sounds like you want passionate sex with Master Chief daily...

Oh, and pulling the weak as hell argument "Name another Spartan that has done what Chief has?". Yep, you are what I call a blind, stupid, chief fanboy.

No spartan has done that because none got the chance. Because Chief was the primary character.



chief fanboy?
are you dumb?chief is the main character of the main series.

its like saying "i love the game rayman,but i dont like rayman."

and im pretty sure if you put any other spartan in chief's position they wouldn't quite cut it and would probably die somehow where chief wouldent of.(for example,put jun in the level cortana....7/10 he would die)

now stop making pointless arguments online and find somin better to do,maybe go play some halo or somin...


Main character of the trilogy, nothing more.

I'm pretty sure if we put any other Spartan in his place with same gear and support, they could do what he did. Some doing it better, some doing it worse.

Lol, you could say any argument on the internet is pointless, however I enjoy discussions with people who don't drool and worship the chief.

  • 05.05.2011 8:41 AM PDT

He is still far more then just avarage. He has been seen going faster then Kelly and is the first Spartan to show signs of natrual leadership. So insted of being Anti-Chief, just accept he is better then you think he is.

  • 05.05.2011 10:28 AM PDT


Posted by: Surperion93
He is still far more then just avarage. He has been seen going faster then Kelly and is the first Spartan to show signs of natrual leadership. So insted of being Anti-Chief, just accept he is better then you think he is.


Oh, I'm not anti-chief. I'm anti-chieffanboyz.

He was shown going faster then Kelly. A ONE-TIME occurrence that will never happen again because it -blam!- his body up. Just like slapping the missile away.

I'd like to get a quote for where it said her top speed, including page number so I can check on my original Fall of Reach.

You see, this is why I respect Coma's view on the chief. She doesn't mindless try to bash her viewpoint into my skull because I don't think he's the best or massively awesome. She also respects my viewpoint of it because I don't do the same to her.

Everybody else... seems to take offense when somebody says he isn't the best.

  • 05.05.2011 10:40 AM PDT

No one here took offense or at teh very least I didn't. The fact he can go that fast a -blam!- himself up clearly shows when he tries he can go faster then Kelly... does NOT AT ALL matter if it was a one time event the fact is he could do it. ALSO I'm 100% it is in the H:FOR 2010 edition not the original. You are clearly lowering his skill at every chance you get. He is better then you claim. In leadership and speed.

  • 05.05.2011 10:46 AM PDT


Posted by: Surperion93
No one here took offense or at teh very least I didn't. The fact he can go that fast a -blam!- himself up clearly shows when he tries he can go faster then Kelly... does NOT AT ALL matter if it was a one time event the fact is he could do it. ALSO I'm 100% it is in the H:FOR 2010 edition not the original. You are clearly lowering his skill at every chance you get. He is better then you claim. In leadership and speed.


And you seem dead set on making Chief a god.

Daefaron has posted nothing but fact and all I've seen in rebuttle...bias opinion. Yes Chief has leadership but based off of the books, chief isn't the all powerful fast ninja that you claim he is.

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  • 05.05.2011 10:48 AM PDT


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Posted by: Surperion93
No one here took offense or at teh very least I didn't. The fact he can go that fast a -blam!- himself up clearly shows when he tries he can go faster then Kelly... does NOT AT ALL matter if it was a one time event the fact is he could do it. ALSO I'm 100% it is in the H:FOR 2010 edition not the original. You are clearly lowering his skill at every chance you get. He is better then you claim. In leadership and speed.


And you seem dead set on making Chief a god.

Daefaron has posted nothing but fact and all I've seen in rebuttle...bias opinion. Yes Chief has leadership but based off of the books, chief isn't the all powerful fast ninja that you claim he is.


If he was faster, or could go faster when he wanted to, Kelly wouldn't have the label "Fastest Spartan."

I don't lower his skill at all. Infact, I'm simply taking the events of the games with a grain of salt and don't boost his skill level like the fanboyz do.

You kinda sound like you are taking offense to my viewpoint there infact buddy.

  • 05.05.2011 10:51 AM PDT

I'm not fond on Master Chief being godlike. All I have said is fact. He has been seen going faster then Kelly and was the first leader to rise out of the Spartans, not Kurt. If that doesnt make him a little bit above avarage amung then then what does?

I am not Bias... ALL I see anytime some one says he is better then you claim he is, you call them bias and a fan boy.

  • 05.05.2011 10:52 AM PDT

You kinda sound like you are taking offense to my viewpoint there infact buddy

LOL then you clearly mis-read the post. I am not offended I just reckon you guys think to little of him.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
This, at least to me, is pretty damn exceptional.

While one could argue it was all "Luck", that took a lot of skill IMHO.


Not really...

That was more of 100% luck and two longsword pilots helping him out by bombing the hull open.

The what would you consider to be an "Exceptional" feat of SPARTAN Prowess?

One which did not require at least some "Luck" and or "Help"?

  • 05.05.2011 11:16 AM PDT


Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
This, at least to me, is pretty damn exceptional.

While one could argue it was all "Luck", that took a lot of skill IMHO.


Not really...

That was more of 100% luck and two longsword pilots helping him out by bombing the hull open.

The what would you consider to be an "Exceptional" feat of SPARTAN Prowess?

One which did not require at least some "Luck" and or "Help"?


Well, one that didn't involve grabbing a bomb and tossing it out an hanger bay and HOPING the assault carrier is what you hit instead of going into the atmosphere.

  • 05.05.2011 11:22 AM PDT


Posted by: Surperion93
I am not Bias... ALL I see anytime some one says he is better then you claim he is, you call them bias and a fan boy.


I only do that when they make him sound godlike or far better then any other Spartan.

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Posted by: Surperion93
I am not Bias... ALL I see anytime some one says he is better then you claim he is, you call them bias and a fan boy.


I only do that when they make him sound godlike or far better then any other Spartan.

I may have missed this at some point, but who you consider to be "The Best SPARTAN"?

  • 05.05.2011 11:26 AM PDT

Yes, I agree, when they make him seem godlike. All I said were facts about why he is a great leader and faster then you think he is. I never made him out to be 'ninja', the best shot, strongest or best at CQC therefor I am not bias or make him seem godlike. I'm just saying he has done alot better then just an avarage Spartan.

  • 05.05.2011 11:27 AM PDT


Posted by: marhorn
Chief wasnt KO'd.....he got straight up to pown the Arbiter!

Actualy, Truths ship entered earths orbit at the end of halo 2, while the arbiter and jonson where on Delta Halo.

John was lying in a mini coma untill Johnson found him in the jungle, "napping out back" if i remember correctly.

  • 05.05.2011 11:31 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Surperion93
I am not Bias... ALL I see anytime some one says he is better then you claim he is, you call them bias and a fan boy.


I only do that when they make him sound godlike or far better then any other Spartan.

I may have missed this at some point, but who you consider to be "The Best SPARTAN"?


Honestly right now? Maybe Noble Six. Really I consider the major named Spartans to be the best of them. Kelly, Linda, Fred, etc.

I just don't picture John as being 'The best of the best'.

  • 05.05.2011 11:34 AM PDT

Maybe Noble Six.

I'm sure he has no area in which he is best at... he is pretty much an all rounder as well. You like N6 but not Chief? How is that possible he is no better then the chief nor is the best of the best either.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Surperion93
I am not Bias... ALL I see anytime some one says he is better then you claim he is, you call them bias and a fan boy.


I only do that when they make him sound godlike or far better then any other Spartan.

I may have missed this at some point, but who you consider to be "The Best SPARTAN"?


Honestly right now? Maybe Noble Six. Really I consider the major named Spartans to be the best of them. Kelly, Linda, Fred, etc.

I just don't picture John as being 'The best of the best'.

And what makes you think of them as possibly the "the best of the best"?

Not arguing, just curious as to your justification of such claims.

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Posted by: Surperion93
Maybe Noble Six.

I'm sure he has no area in which he is best at... he is pretty much an all rounder as well. You like N6 but not Chief? How is that possible he is no better then the chief nor is the best of the best either.


Ironically ain't it.

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Posted by: Surperion93
Maybe Noble Six.

I'm sure he has no area in which he is best at... he is pretty much an all rounder as well. You like N6 but not Chief? How is that possible he is no better then the chief nor is the best of the best either.


He has a rating only one other Spartan possibly shares with him.

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Posted by: Surperion93
Maybe Noble Six.

I'm sure he has no area in which he is best at... he is pretty much an all rounder as well. You like N6 but not Chief? How is that possible he is no better then the chief nor is the best of the best either.


He has a rating only one other Spartan possibly shares with him.


Define Hyper lethal for me.

Regardless,the other spartan is a spartan II because halsey doesn't knows other non SII's(excluding Noble)at that time.The most likely candiate is without a doubt 117,Bungie never mentions unknown spartans in their game like those from the books.It's the Chief,but still what the hell does that rating means?

  • 05.05.2011 11:52 AM PDT


Posted by: Surperion93
Maybe Noble Six.

I'm sure he has no area in which he is best at... he is pretty much an all rounder as well. You like N6 but not Chief? How is that possible he is no better then the chief nor is the best of the best either.


I'll admit my bias. I like Noble Six because he doesn't get any god-treatment as I've seen Chief get. He's also newer and has more development ingame.


Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF
And what makes you think of them as possibly the "the best of the best"?

Not arguing, just curious as to your justification of such claims.


Well, we can agree 'blue team', usually led by John, typical got the harder S2 missions/more risky ones. Most of the time the Spartan we've learned the most about were picked for that.

  • 05.05.2011 11:56 AM PDT

I'll admit my bias. I like Noble Six because he doesn't get any god-treatment as I've seen Chief get. He's also newer and has more development ingame.

SO the dislike extends form the way people treat John and not John as a Spartan I assume?

I think Noble Six was beefed up for Halo Reach. I mean "Hyper leathel" and "Lone Wolf" doesn't suit a Spartan 3. They work as a team and they get sent to there deaths. I ALWAYS imagined that was essentially what a S-III was... disposable.

  • 05.05.2011 12:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Surperion93
I'll admit my bias. I like Noble Six because he doesn't get any god-treatment as I've seen Chief get. He's also newer and has more development ingame.

SO the dislike extends form the way people treat John and not John as a Spartan I assume?

I think Noble Six was beefed up for Halo Reach. I mean "Hyper leathel" and "Lone Wolf" doesn't suit a Spartan 3. They work as a team and they get sent to there deaths. I ALWAYS imagined that was essentially what a S-III was... disposable.


Yeah, pretty much. I'll admit he did awesome stuff, but I believe other Spartans given same support+gear could do it. Better, worse, or the same.

Most of my dislike is simply how I saw a -blam!-load more hero worship Post Reach release.

  • 05.05.2011 12:16 PM PDT