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Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?

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  • 05.07.2011 1:55 PM PDT

The things is there are always people with fantastic abilities such as being fast or having good aim. But those have to be put to use. And John was definitely near top of class at everything, he just wasn't the very best at everything. But he was the best at putting all his talents together to create a lethal combination with great leadership qualities. I mean look at the books. John was always the one known to get stuff done when needed. Plus he had luck or fate as so people like to say. And when he was put into all these situations, he didn't crack or succumb to the pressure but rather succeeded against all odds. No one knows whether that would have been the case with the others.

An example to make my point more understandable would be some pro athletes. Some come out of college with insane physical abilities. They are fast, agile, strong, and have good technique. But then some never put it all together with a drive to succeed and adapt to the different situations they encounter. They instead become what people call "busts." They had all or some incredible physical qualities but couldn't become the complete package or couldn't handle the pressure and expectations.

  • 05.07.2011 2:11 PM PDT

I think in the halo games, the reason he never talks or anything is because he is slightly insane from watching those close to him die and then live and never join them. He is practically choking on his rage from watching all of these different forces stacked against him, all of them playing a hand in taking his friends down, the SPARTANS. If you remember, Master Chief never found out if anyone else made it off of Reach, he thinks they all died, and I would understandable be really frikken p1$$3d off if I were him too.

  • 05.07.2011 2:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
I think in the halo games, the reason he never talks or anything is because he is slightly insane from watching those close to him die and then live and never join them. He is practically choking on his rage from watching all of these different forces stacked against him, all of them playing a hand in taking his friends down, the SPARTANS. If you remember, Master Chief never found out if anyone else made it off of Reach, he thinks they all died, and I would understandable be really frikken p1$$3d off if I were him too.


Except for the fact he went back and found Halsey and the remaining Spartans.

  • 05.07.2011 5:49 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
I think in the halo games, the reason he never talks or anything is because he is slightly insane from watching those close to him die and then live and never join them. He is practically choking on his rage from watching all of these different forces stacked against him, all of them playing a hand in taking his friends down, the SPARTANS. If you remember, Master Chief never found out if anyone else made it off of Reach, he thinks they all died, and I would understandable be really frikken p1$$3d off if I were him too.


Um, do you even remember First Strike? He went back to Reach found quite a few Spartans surviving there as well as Dr. Halsey. So he knows he not the last one, and Spartans don't get choked up the same way us normal humans do at loss. Being silent is just Chief's character, he is truly just a man of few words.

  • 05.07.2011 6:00 PM PDT

"He is neither the smartest nor the fastest nor the strongest of the Spartans. but he is the bravest - and quite possibly the luckiest. And in my opinion, he is the best."

If we can't trust Halsey's word for it, then what was the point of Nylund even writing that in one of his books?

  • 05.07.2011 6:46 PM PDT


Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24
"He is neither the smartest nor the fastest nor the strongest of the Spartans. but he is the bravest - and quite possibly the luckiest. And in my opinion, he is the best."

If we can't trust Halsey's word for it, then what was the point of Nylund even writing that in one of his books?


*Sigh* Notice the OPINION bit.

  • 05.07.2011 6:59 PM PDT

What a waste....


Posted by: marhorn
Chief wasnt KO'd.....he got straight up to pown the Arbiter!
...after 6 hours of unconsciousness.

Posted by: marhorn
Yes his new armour helped him a lot....and Cortana it could be argued did most of the work but John was always touted to be the best Spartan!
Where?

Posted by: marhorn
At the end of the Reach campaign....where Noble 6 dies, John would have survived that!
Uh, it's not physically possible to survive 300 laser beams of over a million degrees.

  • 05.07.2011 7:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24
"He is neither the smartest nor the fastest nor the strongest of the Spartans. but he is the bravest - and quite possibly the luckiest. And in my opinion, he is the best."

If we can't trust Halsey's word for it, then what was the point of Nylund even writing that in one of his books?


*Sigh* Notice the OPINION bit.
*Sigh* It's written into the book for a reason. Halsey is an important character, and her opinions, while not specified as fact by Nylund, are meant to carry significance with the reader.

  • 05.07.2011 7:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24
"He is neither the smartest nor the fastest nor the strongest of the Spartans. but he is the bravest - and quite possibly the luckiest. And in my opinion, he is the best."

If we can't trust Halsey's word for it, then what was the point of Nylund even writing that in one of his books?


*Sigh* Notice the OPINION bit.
*Sigh* It's written into the book for a reason. Halsey is an important character, and her opinions, while not specified as fact by Nylund, are meant to carry significance with the reader.


Perhaps, but her opinion is still an opinion.

She didn't go "For a fact, I know he is the best."

  • 05.07.2011 7:40 PM PDT

andy

They think that because you play as him and you want to think that you are the most bad ass spartan there ever was.

  • 05.07.2011 7:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24
"He is neither the smartest nor the fastest nor the strongest of the Spartans. but he is the bravest - and quite possibly the luckiest. And in my opinion, he is the best."

If we can't trust Halsey's word for it, then what was the point of Nylund even writing that in one of his books?


*Sigh* Notice the OPINION bit.
*Sigh* It's written into the book for a reason. Halsey is an important character, and her opinions, while not specified as fact by Nylund, are meant to carry significance with the reader.


Perhaps, but her opinion is still an opinion.

She didn't go "For a fact, I know he is the best."
And I didn't claim that her opinion should be taken as fact. I simply stated that if we cannot trust her assessment of John, then why would Nylund even write it in?

Let's face it--we don't have charts with all of the Spartans' ratings (at least I haven't seen these charts), so all we have to go on IS opinions. The opinion of Dr. Halsey, in my opinion, should be taken as very significant to the reader. Based on the way many writers operate, I'm claiming that Nylund was trying to tell the reader something, he just did it via the thoughts of Dr. Halsey.

The overall point of this comment is that although he isn't as fast as Kelly or as good as Linda at sniping, he is very good at all of them. When you take his all-around proficiency with incredible bravery and undeniable luck, you have the best overall Spartan. That's just my interpretation of Halsey's comment, and Nylund's intention.

  • 05.07.2011 7:58 PM PDT

John is not some end-all, be-all Spartan. He was a great leader, sure. But that's it. He's an average Spartan as terms of ability goes. Which means he is leagues better than every non-Spartan around. But still.

  • 05.07.2011 8:22 PM PDT


Posted by: forthnback
John is not some end-all, be-all Spartan. He was a great leader, sure. But that's it. He's an average Spartan as terms of ability goes. Which means he is leagues better than every non-Spartan around. But still.


You can dispute whether John is the best of all the Spartans, however, what is completely indisputable, and I think most people here will agree with me, is that he is one of the best Spartans. The other numbers of best including, Fred, Kelly, Linda, Kurt, and Noble Six. I personally think Chief is the best of all the Spartans, but people having a different opinion doesn't matter to me as long as they give John his due.

  • 05.07.2011 8:57 PM PDT

"Then you know he is neither the smartest nor the fastest nor the strongest of the Spartans. But he is the bravest--and quite possibly the luckiest. And in my opinion, he is the best"

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  • 05.07.2011 9:01 PM PDT

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  • 05.07.2011 9:04 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa
Being silent is just Chief's character, he is truly just a man of few words.


Until you procure proof he is silent just "because he is cool" as you so delightfully put it, and there really is no emotional impact on the things he has gone through, that of everything he is done, everything he has seen, everything that has happened to him in his fretfully war-torn life, has had absolutely no emotional impact on him what so ever, I'll take that as your personal opinion. Why that is your opinion I have no idea, because as I recall in Fall of Reach, as Master Chief watches the coffins of his Spartan brothers being jettisoned into space, he feels as though a part of him is being torn away, or something along those lines.

You see. He feels. He feels. He is not devoid of emotion. I am 100% convinced that by the end of Halo 3, he is not the same he was when the war started. I guarantee it. You don't come out of something like that without scars. Every soldier has scars. I'm tired of people treating Master Chief like an inhuman monster, he is not so, he is super-human, super-human, meaning he is still human, and he will still be emotionally effected by the deaths of his SPARTAN brothers, even if in First Strike he found others. It doesn't change the fact of Sam's death, Grace's death, and many others. Their images of them dying will be bored into his skull for the rest of his life. Soldiers are always effected by the deaths of their comrades. Just because he is conditioned, doesn't mean he is devoid of emotions.

Just as a "P.S.", if he were some inhumane killing machine, who's only goal in life was to take life, I would offer him no respect, no human sympathy, no emotional attachment, and I would not care if he were to die, should he die, but I would not give him his due, no matter how much he had done, because what is the point of protecting humanity if you lose your humanity in the process? There is none. You are no longer someone of value, and you are an inferior organism, no matter how many augmentations or genetic enhancements, or "luck" you may have.

[Edited on 05.08.2011 2:26 AM PDT]

  • 05.08.2011 2:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: hotshot revan II

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Why not?It's included in a canonical book,so it is.

Sure that quote was never said in the Halo verse,but same is with Halo waypoint articles and the encyclopedia,they are still canon.

The poems aren't a part of anything. You're a fool if you believe them to have some sort of canon standing. They're just poems, nothing more. They have no dates. There is no context. There is no place for it to fit in the universe. It has no author in-universe. It's just there. It's a bonus to the book. Just something interesting to read.


Oh it does,it's a 343I employ who writes things about Halo in a poetic form,because it's poetic doesn't means it's non canon.In that logic Halo waypoint articles aren't canon either because they are voiced by 343I guys.


It happened several times that Bungie or 343 employees comment on something about the fiction,their word is still canon.

Halo canon policy states books are canon ,poets are included in books so they have truth in it or else that poet was pointless as hell,stating otherwise proves you just can't accept things you don't like.

@cmr

-And?

-Forgot that one.



They never said it was canon though. We aren't accepting it, not because we don't like it, but because it is ludicrous to bring poems into the argument to back your statements. I actually laughed a bit, no offense.



How about you show me a direct quote of where it states poems aren't canon.If you can't then the point still stands,because Halo canon poliicy disagrees with ya.

In that logic Graveminds poems are non canon too or all those quotes Bungie threw at us in viral campaigns.

[Edited on 05.08.2011 2:44 AM PDT]

  • 05.08.2011 2:44 AM PDT

Revan, the major part about the poem is that it isn't dated, or isn't labeled with an in-universe author.

  • 05.08.2011 9:45 AM PDT


Posted by: IBumpElectro
Thats weird...in Halseys journal that came with the Limited edition of reach she writes that there was one spartan that stood out. one that was best at everything Spartan 117.

He was refered by Cortana all the time to be as good as any other Spartan (not better) but much luckier.

  • 05.08.2011 9:59 AM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

He wasn't the best at anything, but he was second best in a lot of things. He also had something else that nobody else had, luck. Which makes him the most exceptional SPARTAN.

Smart ass.

  • 05.08.2011 10:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Just because you are the strongest or fastest, doesn't mean you're the best. You have to be a leader. And considering his achievements *cough* HALO *cough*, he is by far, the best.

  • 05.08.2011 11:15 AM PDT


Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Just because you are the strongest or fastest, doesn't mean you're the best. You have to be a leader. And considering his achievements *cough* HALO *cough*, he is by far, the best.


Considering the fact we don't know how other Spartans could have handled it, yeah...

IMO, Any Spartan with Master Chief's gear and support could have done that.

Simply saying he's the best for being the ONLY person in the area to do it is stupid.

  • 05.08.2011 11:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Just because you are the strongest or fastest, doesn't mean you're the best. You have to be a leader. And considering his achievements *cough* HALO *cough*, he is by far, the best.


Considering the fact we don't know how other Spartans could have handled it, yeah...

IMO, Any Spartan with Master Chief's gear and support could have done that.

Simply saying he's the best for being the ONLY person in the area to do it is stupid.


Fred, Chief, or Noble Six are the only ones who seem like they'd be able to accomplish the feats of the Halo Trilogy. Chief is certainly one of the best and most exceptional Spartans though, there's no denying of that.

  • 05.08.2011 1:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: IBumpElectro
Thats weird...in Halseys journal that came with the Limited edition of reach she writes that there was one spartan that stood out. one that was best at everything Spartan 117.


^She also says this in the birth of a spartan trailer. Backing up your point further.

  • 05.08.2011 2:25 PM PDT