Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?
  • Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?
Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?

MC had to fight through 2 halos, an ark, multiple flood infestation without fancy AAs,invulnerable AI, halfway useful AI friends, and overpowered vehicles.

also, if you read the halo 2 limited edition instruction manual, you see how arbiter comments all the other spartans besides MC merely "slightly more difficult to eradicate". (yes i still keep it) and he devotes an entire page of the manual in describing how MC is feared and his lone actions on the ring being epic in ruining his plans.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 8:09 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 8:04 PM PDT


Posted by: You will Die
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sector Z 157
I'm sorry but I would rather a mediocre Spartan who's a better leader than a fast Spartan who can't self manage. In comparison, what makes John the best, is that he survived. Think about it, Who's alive, and who isn't?


So, using that logic, I come to this conclusion.

That squad has a fairly good record. And that guy always comes back from a battle unscathed. Regardless of the fact he was a coward and bolted at the first sign of trouble, he survived EVERY encounter. Therefore, using your logic, he's the best.


God you have pissed me off throughout this thread. Use your head; you give other people -blam!- for coming in here and not thinking and just spouting fanboyism, when you can't even use your own head to interpret a post...

What sector is saying is that throughout the series Spartans have done incredible things and that after all of this John remains alive, whereas Six died. Obviously, dying is not a direct measure of 'greatness', but it does factor into your record. If you do great things and die; and then someone else does great things...and then continues to do great things because they are still alive; they -could- have a greater impact no?

Again; the point is that throughout all of this John has managed to stay alive AND complete his mission. That in and of itself, makes me think that someone is 'better' at there job. There is a difference between bad-ass and greatness. I think Six is pretty bad-ass for what he did, but is he better than John? No, because for many different reasons John was on the POA and Six was on the ground rather than the other way around.

I mean I giver Six his credit for what he did, but I also dis-count the final cut-scene. But is he better than John? Again, no...feel free to disagree here, but someone who can lead people extremely effectively, can perform to a level greater than many spartans and thus allows him to think about many different options rather than rely on his specialty (I use rely loosely; obviously all the spartans are able to perform the needed tasks, but John's non-specialty allows him to consider each option as equally important.); has remained alive (see no mention of cowards here we're in a thread about spartans, remember?); is considered by Halsey to be the best spartan; was chosen by Cortana because he was the in her opinion 'lucky'; DID happen to save the galaxy; need we go on?

Secondly, your grasp of logic is questionable at best if that's what you could grasp out of that. Sector described a situation where he would rather be a Spartan that works with his peers better and may not excel in a particular category; rather than being a spartan who was ridiculously fast, but couldn't necessarily think far enough ahead to consider a different option because they were too focused on their specialty. (another reason jack of all trades tend to succeed, even if they may not be the best at any one thing)



No I'm sorry but if you're being Pissed off because someone is posting facts and eliminating the Bias by using fact and rather clever metaphores and what not, then I say you're just a fan boy who clearly believes John was the superior spartan when in fact.

It's been CLEARLY stated he isn't the best. John was average, Six was amazing, John was nearly killed by an elite minor, Six took down A good sized group of elites before going and FYI. That's a helmet recording in the last scene.

Also John and his team were nearly cut to ribbons by Innies while six made entire groups vanish.

It Isn't fanboyism in the least but it's fact. Just like it's fact that John could probably mess six up in a straight up fight. But you never know there.

  • 05.20.2011 8:08 PM PDT

Welcome to bungie, you have no rights. play nice!
CLICK!


Posted by: Devils Preists

Posted by: You will Die
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sector Z 157
I'm sorry but I would rather a mediocre Spartan who's a better leader than a fast Spartan who can't self manage. In comparison, what makes John the best, is that he survived. Think about it, Who's alive, and who isn't?


So, using that logic, I come to this conclusion.

That squad has a fairly good record. And that guy always comes back from a battle unscathed. Regardless of the fact he was a coward and bolted at the first sign of trouble, he survived EVERY encounter. Therefore, using your logic, he's the best.


God you have pissed me off throughout this thread. Use your head; you give other people -blam!- for coming in here and not thinking and just spouting fanboyism, when you can't even use your own head to interpret a post...

What sector is saying is that throughout the series Spartans have done incredible things and that after all of this John remains alive, whereas Six died. Obviously, dying is not a direct measure of 'greatness', but it does factor into your record. If you do great things and die; and then someone else does great things...and then continues to do great things because they are still alive; they -could- have a greater impact no?

Again; the point is that throughout all of this John has managed to stay alive AND complete his mission. That in and of itself, makes me think that someone is 'better' at there job. There is a difference between bad-ass and greatness. I think Six is pretty bad-ass for what he did, but is he better than John? No, because for many different reasons John was on the POA and Six was on the ground rather than the other way around.

I mean I giver Six his credit for what he did, but I also dis-count the final cut-scene. But is he better than John? Again, no...feel free to disagree here, but someone who can lead people extremely effectively, can perform to a level greater than many spartans and thus allows him to think about many different options rather than rely on his specialty (I use rely loosely; obviously all the spartans are able to perform the needed tasks, but John's non-specialty allows him to consider each option as equally important.); has remained alive (see no mention of cowards here we're in a thread about spartans, remember?); is considered by Halsey to be the best spartan; was chosen by Cortana because he was the in her opinion 'lucky'; DID happen to save the galaxy; need we go on?

Secondly, your grasp of logic is questionable at best if that's what you could grasp out of that. Sector described a situation where he would rather be a Spartan that works with his peers better and may not excel in a particular category; rather than being a spartan who was ridiculously fast, but couldn't necessarily think far enough ahead to consider a different option because they were too focused on their specialty. (another reason jack of all trades tend to succeed, even if they may not be the best at any one thing)



No I'm sorry but if you're being Pissed off because someone is posting facts and eliminating the Bias by using fact and rather clever metaphores and what not, then I say you're just a fan boy who clearly believes John was the superior spartan when in fact.

It's been CLEARLY stated he isn't the best. John was average, Six was amazing, John was nearly killed by an elite minor, Six took down A good sized group of elites before going and FYI. That's a helmet recording in the last scene.

Also John and his team were nearly cut to ribbons by Innies while six made entire groups vanish.

It Isn't fanboyism in the least but it's fact. Just like it's fact that John could probably mess six up in a straight up fight. But you never know there.

Did you even read the other posts? I mean really...

  • 05.20.2011 8:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100

Posted by: Devils Preists

Posted by: You will Die
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sector Z 157
I'm sorry but I would rather a mediocre Spartan who's a better leader than a fast Spartan who can't self manage. In comparison, what makes John the best, is that he survived. Think about it, Who's alive, and who isn't?


So, using that logic, I come to this conclusion.

That squad has a fairly good record. And that guy always comes back from a battle unscathed. Regardless of the fact he was a coward and bolted at the first sign of trouble, he survived EVERY encounter. Therefore, using your logic, he's the best.


God you have pissed me off throughout this thread. Use your head; you give other people -blam!- for coming in here and not thinking and just spouting fanboyism, when you can't even use your own head to interpret a post...

What sector is saying is that throughout the series Spartans have done incredible things and that after all of this John remains alive, whereas Six died. Obviously, dying is not a direct measure of 'greatness', but it does factor into your record. If you do great things and die; and then someone else does great things...and then continues to do great things because they are still alive; they -could- have a greater impact no?

Again; the point is that throughout all of this John has managed to stay alive AND complete his mission. That in and of itself, makes me think that someone is 'better' at there job. There is a difference between bad-ass and greatness. I think Six is pretty bad-ass for what he did, but is he better than John? No, because for many different reasons John was on the POA and Six was on the ground rather than the other way around.

I mean I giver Six his credit for what he did, but I also dis-count the final cut-scene. But is he better than John? Again, no...feel free to disagree here, but someone who can lead people extremely effectively, can perform to a level greater than many spartans and thus allows him to think about many different options rather than rely on his specialty (I use rely loosely; obviously all the spartans are able to perform the needed tasks, but John's non-specialty allows him to consider each option as equally important.); has remained alive (see no mention of cowards here we're in a thread about spartans, remember?); is considered by Halsey to be the best spartan; was chosen by Cortana because he was the in her opinion 'lucky'; DID happen to save the galaxy; need we go on?

Secondly, your grasp of logic is questionable at best if that's what you could grasp out of that. Sector described a situation where he would rather be a Spartan that works with his peers better and may not excel in a particular category; rather than being a spartan who was ridiculously fast, but couldn't necessarily think far enough ahead to consider a different option because they were too focused on their specialty. (another reason jack of all trades tend to succeed, even if they may not be the best at any one thing)



No I'm sorry but if you're being Pissed off because someone is posting facts and eliminating the Bias by using fact and rather clever metaphores and what not, then I say you're just a fan boy who clearly believes John was the superior spartan when in fact.

It's been CLEARLY stated he isn't the best. John was average, Six was amazing, John was nearly killed by an elite minor, Six took down A good sized group of elites before going and FYI. That's a helmet recording in the last scene.

Also John and his team were nearly cut to ribbons by Innies while six made entire groups vanish.

It Isn't fanboyism in the least but it's fact. Just like it's fact that John could probably mess six up in a straight up fight. But you never know there.

Did you even read the other posts? I mean really...


Yes actually I have and Ièm rather blah about this whole topic to begin with.

Now I honestly don't care about the other posts anyway, I post what I know and if you don't like the fact I'm using facts on a WHY ISN'T JOHN THE GREATEST 'WHAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE' thread then you can kindly go away and believe John is the greatest despite the other spartans being superior to him. Spartan III (Lol Suicide troopers :P) included.

  • 05.20.2011 8:27 PM PDT

halo.xbox.com Profile [url]https://halo.xbox.com/Forums/yaf_profile30077.aspx[/url]

He is the best... especially when I'm playing h3...

  • 05.20.2011 8:39 PM PDT

or it could be depending on who is controlling each character. for example, it could be me controlling MC, and you controlling noble 6. if thats the case, MC wins for sure. and vice versa.

  • 05.20.2011 8:42 PM PDT

"The object of war is not die for your counrty but to make the other bastard die for his."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
You will die, My point was this.

"Saying John is the best simply for surviving, and not including anything else is massively stupid."

Edit: If I see somebody going "John is best for surviving." I respond with that coward situation.

Now, if they include "John is best for surviving and fighting through everything thrown at him." I'll respect that. Even though it's a poor line seeing as we have no proof another Spartan couldn't survive the same things given same support/gear.


My apologies;
I jumped on that a little hard, but my point was that the analogy is not representative of the situation that should be at hand, but I will give you credit for qualifying that having it pertain to people who don't think about there posts too much.

And devils...lols...lets get started...

My beef with Dae was with him; not you; he seems to present logical arguments at times but then jumps on people when they don't; and then he posts things like that. Nothing more nothing less; and besides he responded; let Dae talk for himself...

It has been clearly stated that JOHN (note John) believed that he wasn't the best. I would say this is John's humility in that it is shown in the books that John excelled and typically won (KOTH game) at many of the games; although not everything I agree. Too say that John is just average is really pretty ignorant...
Sigh...again John's encounter on Gamma station has been retconned; and the final cutscene in Reach should NOT be considered cannon. First; you're comparing book events to game events (granted a cutscene) which should be considered (no argument that they are both canon). Now as far as the ending goes...please if you could do that with an AR and pistol without reloading...well that'd be news to me...as well as downing an ENTIRE elites shields and flooring him...again there is a better post in this thread and that explains it; but that cut-scene should NOT be considered cannon if you actually look at it objectively.

Now the Innies is a different situation completely. I think it shows Six's ability to think! (again I never said that I dis-liked Six) It tells me that Six was willing to examine these Innie groups and integrate into them, and then kill them. Essentially, once Six was in, I'd say it was pretty easy to either setup someway to kill the leaders or 'space' the leaders or a large section of the group (if on an asteroid). Again, I think Six should be given his credit, but if you believe that Six went in guns blazing and killed everything and then was like; damn I slept at a Holiday Express last night. Well then ya I can see why you think he's better even if that's not an accurate description of how Six would have had to do it.

I do think that Six should be given his due; but I'm just saying that given each's accomplishments (I mean everyone is like well put Six on Halo, what now?!?!?) Fine then, put John in Six's shoes and let him kill the Innie groups (he'd have to get out of his armor...cause well something tells me that it'd be a little obvious; even if John had to store a regular set of SPI somewhere and then destabilize the group and suit up and prepare for the stragglers, which could also be the way Six did it.) The likely response is that well John didn't...then I'd well guess what Six didn't save the galaxy... ;)

Not fanboyism...I just think people don't apply the reasoning on character as they do the other and they get a little blinded...which is fine, that's what Bungie wanted, you to associate with the character, I just think in threads like this people need to be as objective as possible...and I admit I would be biased myself, but I have tried to read this thread with an open mind...

  • 05.20.2011 8:44 PM PDT

No you see the fact is lols.. I'm not speaking for Daefaron. I'm speaking from what I've seen and know and as a matter of fact if you did put John in six's shoes there would be similar results.

I don't deny that as a matter of fact. 'Nor do I deny that Six was all lol guns blazing at innies the fact that you believe I think this proves the derp is strong in you. As a matter of fact his stealth was his greatest asset something John lacked entirely. Which is why I fail to see him pulling off what Six did.

Now I'd have to say that yes you are rather bias because if you did put Noble six as a Spartan III in Johns shoes being sent to halo he would have little issue doing the job and who knows, he might have been able to quickly kill off that elite minor that gave John so much trouble. The fact remains six was a lone wolf while John was not. That's what's given him such an edge over John in the first place.

Now as a Spartan II I say six would probably be the exact same because he'd wear the same armor and would have been in a team before going lone wolf.

Now I don't think Daefaron is as agressive as you think he is, he just dislikes idiot's posting bias opinions without fact.

  • 05.20.2011 9:18 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: THE C TRAYNE

the chief has had plenty of serious fights against tough opponents and come out on top fighting by himself... including taking out numerous pairs of hunters too


...with Cortana.


Having Cortana means pretty much nothing, she can't fight, all she can do is provide intel or objectives. And Chief fought Hunters and other enemies just as well without her as he did with her.


From Halopedian


Cortana is an extremely advanced "Smart" AI, described once as "a generational leap" in AI technology. Her software is designed to infiltrate computer systems, and she is excellent at the task - as of early 2553, she had never encountered a Covenant security measure that she wasn't able to bypass. In addition, she is proficient with UNSC military hardware and can run military ships and stations almost entirely by herself. The UNSC's primary use of AIs is to oversee targeting of point-defense weaponry used in space battles, but for Cortana, this is merely an additional capability.Cortana has acted as the AI of the Pillar of Autumn, Cairo Station, the Forward Unto Dawn, the Gettysburg and even the Covenant flagship Ascendant Justice.

Cortana can be transferred among various computer systems, either through a data crystal chip or through close physical proximity to a computer system (though it appears that the method of transfer depends on the available technology).
On the battlefield, Cortana is able to gather data from local sources (including the Covenant Battlenet) and improvise effective battle strategies. John-117 acknowledged her as providing "intel support in an operation where their had been no reconnaissance." Her efficiency for planning has helped John-117 and others in many dire situations.

Cortana is also capable of interfacing with Forerunner technology. During the Battle of Reach, she was able to decode a large amount of data from the Babd Catha Forerunner Complex, and while on Installation 04 she was able to make use of the installation's Teleportation Grid.

Another of her abilities is the ability to clone herself, which she learned from a Covenant A.I. she captured and dissected. She can create multiple runtimes of herself to carry out different tasks simultaneously. At one point, she created a clone of her infiltration abilities to give the Chief enough of her capabilities to infiltrate the Covenant command and control station. Although not a complete copy, the clone had at least some of her personality. The clone retained her abilities to hack systems and some limited mission planning routines that allowed her to make basic plans to help the Spartans, but was unable to make the complicated plans that Cortana could come up with. The original clone made a copy of itself into the station's systems to help out and due to being overwhelmed by Covenant security A.I.'s, ended up making hundreds of copies of itself which overwhelmed the system and made accomplishing anything hard for the clones as they began to lose their coherent state, but still could control the system. All of the clones created on the mission were destroyed when the station blew, but provided an invaluable help to the Spartan team. Later, while held captive by the Gravemind, Cortana used her cloning ability to create data-stripped clones of herself and ones of her lower-priority functions to distract the Gravemind. These were all consumed by the Gravemind, but they helped buy Cortana time and one also helped her create her message to the Master Chief. Some were even responsible for the more rampant parts of two of the Cortana Moments.

Cortana is capable of linking her consciousness with a SPARTAN-II through the SPARTAN's armor and neural interface, allowing her to enhance the performance of the armor and communicate directly to the SPARTAN's mind. She has displayed this capability extensively during her time serving with John-117. Although this is not necessarily an ability exclusive to Cortana, her neural link with John-117 marked the first time that a "Smart" AI had joined minds with a human (as noted by the Assembly in 2552).



It doesn't mean nothing. It means everything.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 11:59 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 11:48 PM PDT


Posted by: Devils Preists

Posted by: You will Die
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sector Z 157
I'm sorry but I would rather a mediocre Spartan who's a better leader than a fast Spartan who can't self manage. In comparison, what makes John the best, is that he survived. Think about it, Who's alive, and who isn't?


So, using that logic, I come to this conclusion.

That squad has a fairly good record. And that guy always comes back from a battle unscathed. Regardless of the fact he was a coward and bolted at the first sign of trouble, he survived EVERY encounter. Therefore, using your logic, he's the best.


God you have pissed me off throughout this thread. Use your head; you give other people -blam!- for coming in here and not thinking and just spouting fanboyism, when you can't even use your own head to interpret a post...

What sector is saying is that throughout the series Spartans have done incredible things and that after all of this John remains alive, whereas Six died. Obviously, dying is not a direct measure of 'greatness', but it does factor into your record. If you do great things and die; and then someone else does great things...and then continues to do great things because they are still alive; they -could- have a greater impact no?

Again; the point is that throughout all of this John has managed to stay alive AND complete his mission. That in and of itself, makes me think that someone is 'better' at there job. There is a difference between bad-ass and greatness. I think Six is pretty bad-ass for what he did, but is he better than John? No, because for many different reasons John was on the POA and Six was on the ground rather than the other way around.

I mean I giver Six his credit for what he did, but I also dis-count the final cut-scene. But is he better than John? Again, no...feel free to disagree here, but someone who can lead people extremely effectively, can perform to a level greater than many spartans and thus allows him to think about many different options rather than rely on his specialty (I use rely loosely; obviously all the spartans are able to perform the needed tasks, but John's non-specialty allows him to consider each option as equally important.); has remained alive (see no mention of cowards here we're in a thread about spartans, remember?); is considered by Halsey to be the best spartan; was chosen by Cortana because he was the in her opinion 'lucky'; DID happen to save the galaxy; need we go on?

Secondly, your grasp of logic is questionable at best if that's what you could grasp out of that. Sector described a situation where he would rather be a Spartan that works with his peers better and may not excel in a particular category; rather than being a spartan who was ridiculously fast, but couldn't necessarily think far enough ahead to consider a different option because they were too focused on their specialty. (another reason jack of all trades tend to succeed, even if they may not be the best at any one thing)



No I'm sorry but if you're being Pissed off because someone is posting facts and eliminating the Bias by using fact and rather clever metaphores and what not, then I say you're just a fan boy who clearly believes John was the superior spartan when in fact.

It's been CLEARLY stated he isn't the best. John was average, Six was amazing, John was nearly killed by an elite minor, Six took down A good sized group of elites before going and FYI. That's a helmet recording in the last scene.

Also John and his team were nearly cut to ribbons by Innies while six made entire groups vanish.

It Isn't fanboyism in the least but it's fact. Just like it's fact that John could probably mess six up in a straight up fight. But you never know there.


You probably didn't see my post, but we can't put too much stock in John's encounter with the Elite on Gamma Station because the whole scenario has changed rather drastically, maybe the printed words of it haven't but they should have been completely rewritten, because that is no longer Chief's first encounter with an Elite, Humanity and the Spartans have encountered the Elites pretty much since the beginning of the war. Since this is not John's first encounter with an Elite he would not be having beginners difficulty with the fight.

He would know how to properly and effectively engage an Elite, he would not be having an intense struggle with it nor would any other Spartan. Especially since it is only a Minor.

And John is most definitely not average, just look at his service record and what he has accomplished. There is debate on the issue if he is the best but to say he is average makes it seem as if you have a limited knowledge of Halo's lore and it makes you look exceedingly foolish.

  • 05.21.2011 12:45 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Devils Preists

Posted by: You will Die
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sector Z 157
I'm sorry but I would rather a mediocre Spartan who's a better leader than a fast Spartan who can't self manage. In comparison, what makes John the best, is that he survived. Think about it, Who's alive, and who isn't?


So, using that logic, I come to this conclusion.

That squad has a fairly good record. And that guy always comes back from a battle unscathed. Regardless of the fact he was a coward and bolted at the first sign of trouble, he survived EVERY encounter. Therefore, using your logic, he's the best.


God you have pissed me off throughout this thread. Use your head; you give other people -blam!- for coming in here and not thinking and just spouting fanboyism, when you can't even use your own head to interpret a post...

What sector is saying is that throughout the series Spartans have done incredible things and that after all of this John remains alive, whereas Six died. Obviously, dying is not a direct measure of 'greatness', but it does factor into your record. If you do great things and die; and then someone else does great things...and then continues to do great things because they are still alive; they -could- have a greater impact no?

Again; the point is that throughout all of this John has managed to stay alive AND complete his mission. That in and of itself, makes me think that someone is 'better' at there job. There is a difference between bad-ass and greatness. I think Six is pretty bad-ass for what he did, but is he better than John? No, because for many different reasons John was on the POA and Six was on the ground rather than the other way around.

I mean I giver Six his credit for what he did, but I also dis-count the final cut-scene. But is he better than John? Again, no...feel free to disagree here, but someone who can lead people extremely effectively, can perform to a level greater than many spartans and thus allows him to think about many different options rather than rely on his specialty (I use rely loosely; obviously all the spartans are able to perform the needed tasks, but John's non-specialty allows him to consider each option as equally important.); has remained alive (see no mention of cowards here we're in a thread about spartans, remember?); is considered by Halsey to be the best spartan; was chosen by Cortana because he was the in her opinion 'lucky'; DID happen to save the galaxy; need we go on?

Secondly, your grasp of logic is questionable at best if that's what you could grasp out of that. Sector described a situation where he would rather be a Spartan that works with his peers better and may not excel in a particular category; rather than being a spartan who was ridiculously fast, but couldn't necessarily think far enough ahead to consider a different option because they were too focused on their specialty. (another reason jack of all trades tend to succeed, even if they may not be the best at any one thing)



No I'm sorry but if you're being Pissed off because someone is posting facts and eliminating the Bias by using fact and rather clever metaphores and what not, then I say you're just a fan boy who clearly believes John was the superior spartan when in fact.

It's been CLEARLY stated he isn't the best. John was average, Six was amazing, John was nearly killed by an elite minor, Six took down A good sized group of elites before going and FYI. That's a helmet recording in the last scene.

Also John and his team were nearly cut to ribbons by Innies while six made entire groups vanish.

It Isn't fanboyism in the least but it's fact. Just like it's fact that John could probably mess six up in a straight up fight. But you never know there.


You probably didn't see my post, but we can't put too much stock in John's encounter with the Elite on Gamma Station because the whole scenario has changed rather drastically, maybe the printed words of it haven't but they should have been completely rewritten, because that is no longer Chief's first encounter with an Elite, Humanity and the Spartans have encountered the Elites pretty much since the beginning of the war. Since this is not John's first encounter with an Elite he would not be having beginners difficulty with the fight.

He would know how to properly and effectively engage an Elite, he would not be having an intense struggle with it nor would any other Spartan. Especially since it is only a Minor.

And John is most definitely not average, just look at his service record and what he has accomplished. There is debate on the issue if he is the best but to say he is average makes it seem as if you have a limited knowledge of Halo's lore and it makes you look exceedingly foolish.


I think he's basing his argument on what he had accomplished as of Reach. But do you seriously think Noble Six couldn't do the same if he had survived, and not been stuck in that situation at Aszod?

  • 05.21.2011 11:30 PM PDT

Error 404:
-Error not found.

Oh bah, if he wern't, we would have a different spartan up on the top.

Wrong remark, OP. Everything that makes him up concludes his superiority.

  • 05.21.2011 11:47 PM PDT

It only takes a simple question to change everything.

Don't forget about his luck.

  • 05.21.2011 11:51 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Boberson1234
Don't forget about his luck.

That is plot armor to keep Chief profitable for Microsoft.

  • 05.21.2011 11:55 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedComa

You probably didn't see my post, but we can't put too much stock in John's encounter with the Elite on Gamma Station because the whole scenario has changed rather drastically, maybe the printed words of it haven't but they should have been completely rewritten, because that is no longer Chief's first encounter with an Elite, Humanity and the Spartans have encountered the Elites pretty much since the beginning of the war. Since this is not John's first encounter with an Elite he would not be having beginners difficulty with the fight.

He would know how to properly and effectively engage an Elite, he would not be having an intense struggle with it nor would any other Spartan. Especially since it is only a Minor.

And John is most definitely not average, just look at his service record and what he has accomplished. There is debate on the issue if he is the best but to say he is average makes it seem as if you have a limited knowledge of Halo's lore and it makes you look exceedingly foolish.


I think he's basing his argument on what he had accomplished as of Reach. But do you seriously think Noble Six couldn't do the same if he had survived, and not been stuck in that situation at Aszod?


I wasn't trying to argue that John is better than Six in that specific post, I was trying to point out that people shouldn't be using the fight with the Minor on Gamma Station as evidence because the entire scenario has changed. When the book was first published that was the first time any Spartan had encountered an Elite and the situation hinged on that fact, that is no longer the case, so the entire fight would be rather different. That's what I was trying to point out anyway.

I frankly think Six and Chief are equal as they're the only ones to have been classified as Hyper Lethal Vectors. If Six had survived Aszod or been on the Autumn instead of Chief she could have done almost exactly the same things that John did throughout the trilogy. While I may think John is the best Spartan because of what he has accomplished all throughout the war, I am not some drooling fangirl, I try to give every Spartan their due and that is how I carry out all my arguments. If someone makes Chief out to be some totally average and almost pitiful guy, I will correct them, likewise if anyone does the same for another Spartan I will do my best to correct them. Or if they go the opposite side of the spectrum I will do my best to correct them in that regard as well, though a lot of the time I'll just ignore them.

  • 05.22.2011 9:41 AM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedComa

You probably didn't see my post, but we can't put too much stock in John's encounter with the Elite on Gamma Station because the whole scenario has changed rather drastically, maybe the printed words of it haven't but they should have been completely rewritten, because that is no longer Chief's first encounter with an Elite, Humanity and the Spartans have encountered the Elites pretty much since the beginning of the war. Since this is not John's first encounter with an Elite he would not be having beginners difficulty with the fight.

He would know how to properly and effectively engage an Elite, he would not be having an intense struggle with it nor would any other Spartan. Especially since it is only a Minor.

And John is most definitely not average, just look at his service record and what he has accomplished. There is debate on the issue if he is the best but to say he is average makes it seem as if you have a limited knowledge of Halo's lore and it makes you look exceedingly foolish.


I think he's basing his argument on what he had accomplished as of Reach. But do you seriously think Noble Six couldn't do the same if he had survived, and not been stuck in that situation at Aszod?


I wasn't trying to argue that John is better than Six in that specific post, I was trying to point out that people shouldn't be using the fight with the Minor on Gamma Station as evidence because the entire scenario has changed. When the book was first published that was the first time any Spartan had encountered an Elite and the situation hinged on that fact, that is no longer the case, so the entire fight would be rather different. That's what I was trying to point out anyway.

I frankly think Six and Chief are equal as they're the only ones to have been classified as Hyper Lethal Vectors. If Six had survived Aszod or been on the Autumn instead of Chief she could have done almost exactly the same things that John did throughout the trilogy. While I may think John is the best Spartan because of what he has accomplished all throughout the war, I am not some drooling fangirl, I try to give every Spartan their due and that is how I carry out all my arguments. If someone makes Chief out to be some totally average and almost pitiful guy, I will correct them, likewise if anyone does the same for another Spartan I will do my best to correct them. Or if they go the opposite side of the spectrum I will do my best to correct them in that regard as well, though a lot of the time I'll just ignore them.


I think on the same way, except I think every SPARTAN was exceptional and that every one played a major role in the Human Covenant War in some shape or form, and if any other SPARTAN had been in 117's place they would've gotten the job done in their own way. John likes to blow stuff up and go out with a bang, Six would've probably slipped behind enemy lines and taken out their vital support, and Carter would've probably formed an effective team to take on multiple angles of the situation. They were all exceptional, that's why they're SPARTANS. None are better than the other, period. They all have their specific specialties.

  • 05.22.2011 8:47 PM PDT

Didact's Reprisal -
Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
And I am not afraid
We shall fulfill our promise
We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind

Hey, if luck in Halo is like luck in Fallout, every shot is a critical hit, universal proficiency in every area, and every gamble is a flawless success.

That's exceptional. [Alt +1]

  • 05.22.2011 9:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Posted by: forthnback
John saved the galaxy, and inspired Humanity as it's hero.

There you go.

  • 05.22.2011 9:05 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: forthnback
John saved the galaxy, and inspired Humanity as it's hero.

There you go.


Correction, Cortana saved the galaxy. If it wasn't for her, John would have fired the Halo array and killed every sentient being in the Galaxy.

  • 05.22.2011 9:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Im SteelAssassn
Hey, if luck in Halo is like luck in Fallout, every shot is a critical hit, universal proficiency in every area, and every gamble is a flawless success.

That's exceptional. [Alt +1]


Hahaha XD nice one, you sure got a laugh out of me XD If that is indeed how luck is in Halo, then yeah, no question that Chief is the best using that logic :P

  • 05.22.2011 9:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth1Snyder
Everytime someone sacks my groceries, I think of Loaf.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: forthnback
John saved the galaxy, and inspired Humanity as it's hero.

There you go.


Correction, Cortana saved the galaxy. If it wasn't for her, John would have fired the Halo array and killed every sentient being in the Galaxy.


Oh, I didn't know cortana could fire a gun.

I would assume when someone says john 117, that cortana is automatically included.

  • 05.22.2011 9:11 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: forthnback
John saved the galaxy, and inspired Humanity as it's hero.

There you go.


Correction, Cortana saved the galaxy. If it wasn't for her, John would have fired the Halo array and killed every sentient being in the Galaxy.


Wow, I never looked at it that way!

  • 05.22.2011 9:14 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: forthnback
John saved the galaxy, and inspired Humanity as it's hero.

There you go.


Correction, Cortana saved the galaxy. If it wasn't for her, John would have fired the Halo array and killed every sentient being in the Galaxy.


Oh, I didn't know cortana could fire a gun.

I would assume when someone says john 117, that cortana is automatically included.


If that gun is connected to any sort of automated program, then yes.

  • 05.22.2011 9:17 PM PDT


Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: SPARTAN 32192
Posted by: forthnback
John saved the galaxy, and inspired Humanity as it's hero.

There you go.


Correction, Cortana saved the galaxy. If it wasn't for her, John would have fired the Halo array and killed every sentient being in the Galaxy.


Oh, I didn't know cortana could fire a gun.

I would assume when someone says john 117, that cortana is automatically included.


Cortana Prevented the Chief from firing halo.
Cortana stayed behind to prevent the flood from leaving delta halo.
Cortana activated Halo 04(II), killing the flood and saving the galaxy.

So... yeah, I'd say she did do a chunk of it.

  • 05.22.2011 10:30 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P

Can any other spartan do what John did in Halo 2 with the covenant bomb and blow up a covenant super-carrier? No way.

  • 05.23.2011 2:42 AM PDT