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Posted by: Devils Preists
Posted by: You will Die
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Sector Z 157
I'm sorry but I would rather a mediocre Spartan who's a better leader than a fast Spartan who can't self manage. In comparison, what makes John the best, is that he survived. Think about it, Who's alive, and who isn't?
So, using that logic, I come to this conclusion.
That squad has a fairly good record. And that guy always comes back from a battle unscathed. Regardless of the fact he was a coward and bolted at the first sign of trouble, he survived EVERY encounter. Therefore, using your logic, he's the best.
God you have pissed me off throughout this thread. Use your head; you give other people -blam!- for coming in here and not thinking and just spouting fanboyism, when you can't even use your own head to interpret a post...
What sector is saying is that throughout the series Spartans have done incredible things and that after all of this John remains alive, whereas Six died. Obviously, dying is not a direct measure of 'greatness', but it does factor into your record. If you do great things and die; and then someone else does great things...and then continues to do great things because they are still alive; they -could- have a greater impact no?
Again; the point is that throughout all of this John has managed to stay alive AND complete his mission. That in and of itself, makes me think that someone is 'better' at there job. There is a difference between bad-ass and greatness. I think Six is pretty bad-ass for what he did, but is he better than John? No, because for many different reasons John was on the POA and Six was on the ground rather than the other way around.
I mean I giver Six his credit for what he did, but I also dis-count the final cut-scene. But is he better than John? Again, no...feel free to disagree here, but someone who can lead people extremely effectively, can perform to a level greater than many spartans and thus allows him to think about many different options rather than rely on his specialty (I use rely loosely; obviously all the spartans are able to perform the needed tasks, but John's non-specialty allows him to consider each option as equally important.); has remained alive (see no mention of cowards here we're in a thread about spartans, remember?); is considered by Halsey to be the best spartan; was chosen by Cortana because he was the in her opinion 'lucky'; DID happen to save the galaxy; need we go on?
Secondly, your grasp of logic is questionable at best if that's what you could grasp out of that. Sector described a situation where he would rather be a Spartan that works with his peers better and may not excel in a particular category; rather than being a spartan who was ridiculously fast, but couldn't necessarily think far enough ahead to consider a different option because they were too focused on their specialty. (another reason jack of all trades tend to succeed, even if they may not be the best at any one thing)
No I'm sorry but if you're being Pissed off because someone is posting facts and eliminating the Bias by using fact and rather clever metaphores and what not, then I say you're just a fan boy who clearly believes John was the superior spartan when in fact.
It's been CLEARLY stated he isn't the best. John was average, Six was amazing, John was nearly killed by an elite minor, Six took down A good sized group of elites before going and FYI. That's a helmet recording in the last scene.
Also John and his team were nearly cut to ribbons by Innies while six made entire groups vanish.
It Isn't fanboyism in the least but it's fact. Just like it's fact that John could probably mess six up in a straight up fight. But you never know there.
You probably didn't see my post, but we can't put too much stock in John's encounter with the Elite on Gamma Station because the whole scenario has changed rather drastically, maybe the printed words of it haven't but they should have been completely rewritten, because that is no longer Chief's first encounter with an Elite, Humanity and the Spartans have encountered the Elites pretty much since the beginning of the war. Since this is not John's first encounter with an Elite he would not be having beginners difficulty with the fight.
He would know how to properly and effectively engage an Elite, he would not be having an intense struggle with it nor would any other Spartan. Especially since it is only a Minor.
And John is most definitely not average, just look at his service record and what he has accomplished. There is debate on the issue if he is the best but to say he is average makes it seem as if you have a limited knowledge of Halo's lore and it makes you look exceedingly foolish.