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Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Zealot Tony
Can any other spartan do what John did in Halo 2 with the covenant bomb and blow up a covenant super-carrier? No way.


It was a Covenant Cruiser and, Jorge did, just differently.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Zealot Tony
Can any other spartan do what John did in Halo 2 with the covenant bomb and blow up a covenant super-carrier? No way.


It was a Covenant Cruiser and, Jorge did, just differently.


Not even close to the same level of what Chief did.

It takes huge balls to risk jump into outer on top of a freaking assault carrier with point defense lasers.Chief could have been killed by the bomb radius,he could have missed,a serpah could have killed him,...

It takes zero gee skills to jump correctly in space and not miss,i mean in the books lots of spartans didn't loved those kind of things except Li.

This act of the Chief was badass,i don't think someone else did something more badass then that in the Haloverse.

  • 05.23.2011 7:39 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Zealot Tony
Can any other spartan do what John did in Halo 2 with the covenant bomb and blow up a covenant super-carrier? No way.


It was a Covenant Cruiser and, Jorge did, just differently.


Not even close to the same level of what Chief did.

It takes huge balls to risk jump into outer on top of a freaking assault carrier with point defense lasers.Chief could have been killed by the bomb radius,he could have missed,a serpah could have killed him,...

It takes zero gee skills to jump correctly in space and not miss,i mean in the books lots of spartans didn't loved those kind of things except Li.

This act of the Chief was badass,i don't think someone else did something more badass then that in the Haloverse.


Well....Well.....screwz u, Kwasssass destroyed over 300 ships and left a planet devoid of life without trying to! >:D

  • 05.23.2011 11:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Im SteelAssassn
Hey, if luck in Halo is like luck in Fallout, every shot is a critical hit, universal proficiency in every area, and every gamble is a flawless success.

That's exceptional. [Alt +1]


Hahaha XD nice one, you sure got a laugh out of me XD If that is indeed how luck is in Halo, then yeah, no question that Chief is the best using that logic :P


If? Sounds like an accurate comparison to me! [Alt +2]

  • 05.23.2011 11:07 AM PDT

Well, I'd say it takes 'more balls' to push the button destroying two ships, killing an insane amount of Covenant, knowing you'd die.

  • 05.23.2011 11:07 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Zealot Tony
Can any other spartan do what John did in Halo 2 with the covenant bomb and blow up a covenant super-carrier? No way.


It was a Covenant Cruiser and, Jorge did, just differently.


Not even close to the same level of what Chief did.

It takes huge balls to risk jump into outer on top of a freaking assault carrier with point defense lasers.Chief could have been killed by the bomb radius,he could have missed,a serpah could have killed him,...

It takes zero gee skills to jump correctly in space and not miss,i mean in the books lots of spartans didn't loved those kind of things except Li.

This act of the Chief was badass,i don't think someone else did something more badass then that in the Haloverse.


Well....Well.....screwz u, Kwasssass destroyed over 300 ships and left a planet devoid of life without trying to! >:D


Well, wouldn't it have been the Engineer who killed everyone and everything there then? Since it was the one who fixed the NOVA Bomba after all :P

  • 05.23.2011 11:08 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Zealot Tony
Can any other spartan do what John did in Halo 2 with the covenant bomb and blow up a covenant super-carrier? No way.


It was a Covenant Cruiser and, Jorge did, just differently.


Not even close to the same level of what Chief did.

It takes huge balls to risk jump into outer on top of a freaking assault carrier with point defense lasers.Chief could have been killed by the bomb radius,he could have missed,a serpah could have killed him,...

It takes zero gee skills to jump correctly in space and not miss,i mean in the books lots of spartans didn't loved those kind of things except Li.

This act of the Chief was badass,i don't think someone else did something more badass then that in the Haloverse.


Well....Well.....screwz u, Kwasssass destroyed over 300 ships and left a planet devoid of life without trying to! >:D


Well, wouldn't it have been the Engineer who killed everyone and everything there then? Since it was the one who fixed the NOVA Bomba after all :P


Nooooo, because he couldn't stop them, so it's his fault :P

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Zealot Tony
Can any other spartan do what John did in Halo 2 with the covenant bomb and blow up a covenant super-carrier? No way.


It was a Covenant Cruiser and, Jorge did, just differently.


Not even close to the same level of what Chief did.

It takes huge balls to risk jump into outer on top of a freaking assault carrier with point defense lasers.Chief could have been killed by the bomb radius,he could have missed,a serpah could have killed him,...

It takes zero gee skills to jump correctly in space and not miss,i mean in the books lots of spartans didn't loved those kind of things except Li.

This act of the Chief was badass,i don't think someone else did something more badass then that in the Haloverse.


Well....Well.....screwz u, Kwasssass destroyed over 300 ships and left a planet devoid of life without trying to! >:D


But John Forge destroyed an entire shield world with flood,sentinels,and a FR fleet :)Lol

  • 05.23.2011 11:16 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Zealot Tony
Can any other spartan do what John did in Halo 2 with the covenant bomb and blow up a covenant super-carrier? No way.


It was a Covenant Cruiser and, Jorge did, just differently.


Not even close to the same level of what Chief did.

It takes huge balls to risk jump into outer on top of a freaking assault carrier with point defense lasers.Chief could have been killed by the bomb radius,he could have missed,a serpah could have killed him,...

It takes zero gee skills to jump correctly in space and not miss,i mean in the books lots of spartans didn't loved those kind of things except Li.

This act of the Chief was badass,i don't think someone else did something more badass then that in the Haloverse.


Well....Well.....screwz u, Kwasssass destroyed over 300 ships and left a planet devoid of life without trying to! >:D


But John Forge destroyed an entire shield world with flood,sentinels,and a FR fleet :)Lol


*Mumbles under his breath, cursing Revan* You may have won this battle, but I shall win the war! >:O

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You point to Chief in Halo 1 and 2, and everyone goes "lol, he had Cortana."

You point to Halo 3, and everyone goes "lol, that doesn't count because we don't know what any other Spartan would do in that situation."

Chief is exceptional by default because the arguments against him being so are terrible.

  • 05.23.2011 12:06 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: MGTrey
You point to Chief in Halo 1 and 2, and everyone goes "lol, he had Cortana."

You point to Halo 3, and everyone goes "lol, that doesn't count because we don't know what any other Spartan would do in that situation."

Chief is exceptional by default because the arguments against him being so are terrible.


Actually, we point at his actions at Alpha base as something others could have done just as good as him, but you can't really take out Cortana out of the equation and you know it.

She stopped him from activating Halo and from being infected by the Flood and from being killed by that Spec Ops Elite in the PoA.

  • 05.23.2011 12:08 PM PDT


Posted by: MGTrey
You point to Chief in Halo 1 and 2, and everyone goes "lol, he had Cortana."

You point to Halo 3, and everyone goes "lol, that doesn't count because we don't know what any other Spartan would do in that situation."

Chief is exceptional by default because the arguments against him being so are terrible.


Actually, we go "Any spartan could have done it, given same support/gear." for all three halos.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Actually, we go "Any spartan could have done it, given same support/gear." for all three halos.


Prove it. Saying it does nothing. There isn't a single thing any Spartan has done in canon material that even approaches the Chief's feats in the games, and even some in the books. The only thing they've done was run faster and shoot better, in isolated instances.

And no Spartan could use Cortana as well as John because their synchronization ratio was the closest match. So no, other Spartans could not do the things Chief did in Halo 1 and 2. And certainly nothing in Halo 3.

  • 05.23.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

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Thats weird...in Halseys journal that came with the Limited edition of reach she writes that there was one spartan that stood out. one that was best at everything Spartan 117.


Doubt it, Kelly could outrun him any day, Linda could outsnipe him, Kurt could out-lead him(sp?), Fred could beat him in CQC, etc, etc. If I remember well, Fred always came up in second place in everything, John even mentions that he did it because he didn't want the attention, so if there is a "best" Spartan, that'd be Fred.


I think that you are wrong... Jhon is very good at ALL, but, for example Kelly was only good at running.

  • 05.23.2011 12:53 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: MGTrey

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Actually, we go "Any spartan could have done it, given same support/gear." for all three halos.


Prove it. Saying it does nothing. There isn't a single thing any Spartan has done in canon material that even approaches the Chief's feats in the games, and even some in the books. The only thing they've done was run faster and shoot better, in isolated instances.

And no Spartan could use Cortana as well as John because their synchronization ratio was the closest match. So no, other Spartans could not do the things Chief did in Halo 1 and 2. And certainly nothing in Halo 3.


More like, their biased ratio was the closest match. Ever wondered why Cortana picked him? Cortana is Doctor Halsey in essence, Halsey always showed favoritism for John, combine that and you get Cortana inside John's suit.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
More like, their biased ratio was the closest match. Ever wondered why Cortana picked him? Cortana is Doctor Halsey in essence, Halsey always showed favoritism for John, combine that and you get Cortana inside John's suit.


More like, read the book.

Cortana proving me right: Fall of Reach pg. 236-237

"His neural patterns are in sync with mine within two percent. With the new interface we'll be installing, that should fall well within tolerable limits. In fact...I have just developed a custom interface buffer that will match us within zero point zero eight one percent. You won't find a better match among the others. In fact, I guarantee it."


There was, perhaps, favoritism from Halsey giving Cortana a subliminal nudge towards John, but the numbers--and the canon--don't lie.

[Edited on 05.23.2011 1:08 PM PDT]

  • 05.23.2011 1:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
More like, their biased ratio was the closest match. Ever wondered why Cortana picked him? Cortana is Doctor Halsey in essence, Halsey always showed favoritism for John, combine that and you get Cortana inside John's suit.


More like, read the book.


I've read the books, thank you very much. I still believe it was favoritism.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

I've read the books, thank you very much. I still believe it was favoritism.


Oh, so that's how it works now? You're right because you believe it was favoritism? And subsequently, any Spartan could use Cortana with the same efficiency as John, despite Cortana herself saying that his neural patterns were more in sync with hers than any other Spartan?

My God man, why are we even debating this?! My references to the top level canon (the games) as proof Chief is top dog, and my rebuttal (using book quotes) of your refutation of the games on the basis it was only because of Cortana (which still leaves everything from the end of Halo 2 to the penultimate level of Halo 3 valid under your scrutiny) obviously fall to the might of your belief. What was I thinking?

Do I really need to add a dash-sarcasm?

[Edited on 05.23.2011 1:20 PM PDT]

  • 05.23.2011 1:20 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

I've read the books, thank you very much. I still believe it was favoritism.


Oh, so that's how it works now? You're right because you believe it was favoritism? And subsequently, any Spartan could use Cortana with the same efficiency as John, despite Cortana herself saying that his neural patterns were more in sync with hers than any other Spartan?

My God man, why are we even debating this?! My references to the top level canon (the games) as proof Chief is top dog, and my rebuttal (using book quotes) of your refutation of the games on the basis it was only because of Cortana (which still leaves everything from the end of Halo 2 to the penultimate level of Halo 3 valid under your scrutiny) obviously fall to the might of your belief. What was I thinking?

Do I really need to add a dash-sarcasm?


Apparently you need to get your eyes check my friend, I've said I THINK that it is favoritism. I care not for John and his feats, because I believe any other Spartan could have done it, as well as him. Maybe if people didn't put him on a pedestal and treated him like he is the god of the Halo universe would I respect him as a character.

  • 05.23.2011 1:24 PM PDT

Personally, I prefer John to Noble 6.

  • 05.23.2011 1:26 PM PDT


Posted by: MGTrey

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Actually, we go "Any spartan could have done it, given same support/gear." for all three halos.


Prove it. Saying it does nothing. There isn't a single thing any Spartan has done in canon material that even approaches the Chief's feats in the games, and even some in the books. The only thing they've done was run faster and shoot better, in isolated instances.

And no Spartan could use Cortana as well as John because their synchronization ratio was the closest match. So no, other Spartans could not do the things Chief did in Halo 1 and 2. And certainly nothing in Halo 3.


Ugh, and here you are using the "Because no other Spartan was in a spot where they could have done it, means THEY CANNOT!"

Anyway, as Master Chief was simply among the best of the Spartans, that means, by simple logic, others could do what he did.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Apparently you need to get your eyes check my friend, I've said I THINK that it is favoritism. I care not for John and his feats, because I believe any other Spartan could have done it, as well as him. Maybe if people didn't put him on a pedestal and treated him like he is the god of the Halo universe would I respect him as a character.


You said you believed it was favoritism, and I sarcastically ranted about how your belief > my facts from both the game and the books directly pertaining to the topic of discussion.

The reason Chief is treated as the hero of the Halo franchise, and the best Spartan, is because he is both of those things. And until some canon comes along to destroy these facts, John will continue to be the hero.

These facts don't preclude you from liking other Spartans, however. They all played their roles, and without the sum of their contributions, John would have failed anyways.

But he was still the best. Certainly an "exceptional Spartan", considering he was Team Leader before he became a walking badass dispenser.

  • 05.23.2011 1:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Hamedolk
I think that you are wrong... Jhon is very good at ALL, but, for example Kelly was only good at running.


If you are trying to imply that Kelly was not good/poor at everything besides running, you are stupid.

She was the fastest, speed isn't a specialty though.

  • 05.23.2011 1:32 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Certainly not the best, but he wasn't a pushover either. There were several Spartans that were better at him at any given role, even leadership, although I posted that at this page or the last, and I do not feel like pasting it.

  • 05.23.2011 1:33 PM PDT