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Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?

S.H.E

This is funny :D

In my opinion Chief is the best at begin crazy... and me gusta crazy.

  • 07.04.2011 8:57 AM PDT

Every Spartan had one aspect of themselves which rose above the rest, already said like kelly-fast sam-strong all that kind and mentioned several time is johns luck thats it, kelly the fast one john the lucky one

  • 07.04.2011 9:01 AM PDT


Posted by: liox4ever

Posted by: manwith
From what I've read John sucks at pure hand-to-hand combat and has a real difficulty fighting alone without back up.

Fred, Kelly and Will show no indication of any weakness.

How does John suck when he broke an ODST's arm and killed another?


*Sigh* I really wish people would stop clinging to this bad statement about Chief being the best.

A: Master Chief didn't know his new strength.
B: ODST's underestimated John, and overestimated themselves.

Both factors make it just bleh to use as "CHIEF EZ BEST!" by itself. And as others said, other Spartans wouldn't have had trouble there either.

Edit: Another thing that annoys me is when people, without thinking, go "Master Chief is best cause of the halo trilogy!". Acting as if no other Spartan could do it, or simply the fact Master Chief wasn't on the ground at Reach and thus didn't die/get trapped there(for a while at least) makes him better then all the others.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 9:05 AM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 9:02 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: liox4ever

Posted by: manwith
From what I've read John sucks at pure hand-to-hand combat and has a real difficulty fighting alone without back up.

Fred, Kelly and Will show no indication of any weakness.

How does John suck when he broke an ODST's arm and killed another?


*Sigh* I really wish people would stop clinging to this bad statement about Chief being the best.

A: Master Chief didn't know his new strength.
B: ODST's underestimated John, and overestimated themselves.

Both factors make it just bleh to use as "CHIEF EZ BEST!" by itself. And as others said, other Spartans wouldn't have had trouble there either.


And not to mention that ODSTs, while they still are the best that humanity can normally produce, they're not exactly of a caliber that can match up with a Spartan, any Spartan who has undergone augmentations would be able to hand the ODST's asses back to them on a silver platter. That situation is not a very good instance to use to support John's skills or the argument for him being the best.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 9:08 AM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 9:07 AM PDT

S.H.E

This remind's me of the thread about people calling other people racist's because they didn't like elite's.

The net is a funny place.

  • 07.04.2011 9:08 AM PDT

I just remember that Chief has an unbelievable amount of luck. So that makes up for it.

  • 07.04.2011 9:35 AM PDT

with the help of kung fu panda of course

Posted by: Docterweegee
Master chief helped kill Osama (Snacks if you get this)

  • 07.04.2011 10:45 AM PDT

Well, my Noble Six could wipe the floor with Master Chief so I guess that makes him second best...

  • 07.05.2011 2:09 PM PDT

No u

I know this may not seem like a good reason to support John being a great soldier, but, in First Strike John killed a Brute in hand to hand. Although he did almost die, but who wouldn't, I mean the Brutes wiped the floor with her when she fought them. Just some food for thought.

  • 07.05.2011 2:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I know this may not seem like a good reason to support John being a great soldier, but, in First Strike John killed a Brute in hand to hand. Although he did almost die, but who wouldn't, I mean the Brutes wiped the floor with her when she fought them. Just some food for thought.


David-B312 personally took on 13 SPARTAN-IIs in a firefight whilst engaging three at a time towards the end of the battle in close quarters combat. He killed all 13 of them.

I'd say he could handle John with ease.

  • 07.05.2011 2:20 PM PDT

No u


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I know this may not seem like a good reason to support John being a great soldier, but, in First Strike John killed a Brute in hand to hand. Although he did almost die, but who wouldn't, I mean the Brutes wiped the floor with her when she fought them. Just some food for thought.


David-B312 personally took on 13 SPARTAN-IIs in a firefight whilst engaging three at a time towards the end of the battle in close quarters combat. He killed all 13 of them.

I'd say he could handle John with ease.


I wasn't even talking to you. And i think we all know that six didn't do that. Stop making things up.

  • 07.05.2011 2:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I know this may not seem like a good reason to support John being a great soldier, but, in First Strike John killed a Brute in hand to hand. Although he did almost die, but who wouldn't, I mean the Brutes wiped the floor with her when she fought them. Just some food for thought.


David-B312 personally took on 13 SPARTAN-IIs in a firefight whilst engaging three at a time towards the end of the battle in close quarters combat. He killed all 13 of them.

I'd say he could handle John with ease.


I wasn't even talking to you. And i think we all know that six didn't do that. Stop making things up.


This has stopped making sense completely.

EDIT: Apparently David-B312 is Six??? I had no idea that Six had a SPARTAN name, and don't recall ever hearing about him being in combat with SPARTAN-IIs, but sorry for the unfounded insult.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 2:58 PM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 2:50 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I know this may not seem like a good reason to support John being a great soldier, but, in First Strike John killed a Brute in hand to hand. Although he did almost die, but who wouldn't, I mean the Brutes wiped the floor with her when she fought them. Just some food for thought.


Assuming grenade kills count as hand to hand.

  • 07.05.2011 2:59 PM PDT

Fight Finished 2007

Didn't he kill the brute that grappled him by hand? I thought that was it but heck even if not the simple fact is that he managed to beat it in there small engagement. Plus I highly doubt he made it through all the Halo games without even one fist fight, I'm pretty sure he can handle himself fine up close.

  • 07.05.2011 3:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Sparda Reborn
Didn't he kill the brute that grappled him by hand? I thought that was it but heck even if not the simple fact is that he managed to beat it in there small engagement. Plus I highly doubt he made it through all the Halo games without even one fist fight, I'm pretty sure he can handle himself fine up close.


Master Chief couldn't even pin the brute. He bent it's arm so far back a humans or elite's would've snapped. The brute then pushed itself(and John) off the ground with ONE arm. He only won because he slapped a grenade into the brute's belt and swept it's other arm out.

  • 07.05.2011 3:46 PM PDT

Fight Finished 2007

Oh, I thought I remembered Chief essentially jumping off the Brute using the brute as a springboard essentially, I still think the Chief could handle himself up close. Again he did manage to survive all the Halo games which there had to have been moments where he was caught up close plus (I hope I am remembering this correctly) didn't he beat a sword elite up close by like breaking its wrist or arm(again I am not 100% certain, I am just trying to recall things but I haven't read the books for a while so I can't remember clearly).

  • 07.05.2011 3:52 PM PDT

Derp :P

I you have not read the book you'd know that john was the luckyest spartan that's how he survived reach, halo, the flood and hope fully his MIA

  • 07.05.2011 3:54 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

John 117 is the best Spartan. Anyone who says any different to that statement is wrong. I really can't be bothered to expand on that, but it is most certainly fact.

  • 07.05.2011 3:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I know this may not seem like a good reason to support John being a great soldier, but, in First Strike John killed a Brute in hand to hand. Although he did almost die, but who wouldn't, I mean the Brutes wiped the floor with her when she fought them. Just some food for thought.


David-B312 personally took on 13 SPARTAN-IIs in a firefight whilst engaging three at a time towards the end of the battle in close quarters combat. He killed all 13 of them.

I'd say he could handle John with ease.


I wasn't even talking to you. And i think we all know that six didn't do that. Stop making things up.


Posted by: billy991
Apparently David-B312 is Six??? I had no idea that Six had a SPARTAN name, and don't recall ever hearing about him being in combat with SPARTAN-IIs, but sorry for the unfounded insult.


Predkiller is talking about what he made up for his take on Noble Six. There is no official canon for Six beyond being a lone wolf that used to work against the Insurrection primarily and was at least equal to Master Chief in skills and combat prowess. Beyond that Six can be anything you want him/her to be.

Like my Six is female...but beyond that I haven't made up much for her yet.

  • 07.05.2011 4:32 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: RigZ Boi
John 117 is the best Spartan. Anyone who says any different to that statement is wrong. I really can't be bothered to expand on that, but it is most certainly fact.


You're wrong, I cannot be bothered to expand on that, but it is certainly a fact.

  • 07.05.2011 4:37 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Sparda Reborn
Oh, I thought I remembered Chief essentially jumping off the Brute using the brute as a springboard essentially, I still think the Chief could handle himself up close. Again he did manage to survive all the Halo games which there had to have been moments where he was caught up close plus (I hope I am remembering this correctly) didn't he beat a sword elite up close by like breaking its wrist or arm(again I am not 100% certain, I am just trying to recall things but I haven't read the books for a while so I can't remember clearly).


Ascendant Justice = 4 on 1 against the Elite, with Johnson firing from the back with an Assault Rifle on the unshielded Elite.

  • 07.05.2011 4:39 PM PDT

No u


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I know this may not seem like a good reason to support John being a great soldier, but, in First Strike John killed a Brute in hand to hand. Although he did almost die, but who wouldn't, I mean the Brutes wiped the floor with her when she fought them. Just some food for thought.


Assuming grenade kills count as hand to hand.


Haha. Well, he did fight the brute hand to hand, just killed it with a grenade. Happens a lot in the books.

  • 07.05.2011 8:21 PM PDT

No u


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: RigZ Boi
John 117 is the best Spartan. Anyone who says any different to that statement is wrong. I really can't be bothered to expand on that, but it is most certainly fact.


You're wrong, I cannot be bothered to expand on that, but it is certainly a fact.


Yeah, John is great, in my opinion, but he's not the best in everybody's opinion. Plus, there's so many things with your statement. It is not fact that John is the best, it is an opinion. You want to go home and rethink your life.

  • 07.05.2011 8:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: RigZ Boi
John 117 is the best Spartan. Anyone who says any different to that statement is wrong. I really can't be bothered to expand on that, but it is most certainly fact.


You're wrong, I cannot be bothered to expand on that, but it is certainly a fact.


Yeah, John is great, in my opinion, but he's not the best in everybody's opinion. Plus, there's so many things with your statement. It is not fact that John is the best, it is an opinion. You want to go home and rethink your life.


I don't know if you are all missing the sarcasm or if you are being sarcastic or if you are being sarcastic about someone else missing the sarcasm or if this has reached a level of metasarcasm as yet unknown to man...

  • 07.05.2011 8:36 PM PDT