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Subject: Why does no one remember that John isn't an exceptional Spartan?

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Master Chief = Luck.

That's what stood out, he was always lucky.

  • 07.05.2011 9:00 PM PDT

John is the most lucky, and the best leader. That's why Cortana chose him.

  • 07.06.2011 12:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: nozer666
John is the most lucky, and the best leader. That's why Cortana chose him.


No, Halsey chose him. Cortana was made out of a scan of Halsey's brain, Halsey always showed favoritism when it came to John, for example, Mendez believed that Kurt was a better when it came to leadership but Halsey told him to make John the leader.

  • 07.06.2011 1:31 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: nozer666
John is the most lucky, and the best leader. That's why Cortana chose him.


No, Halsey chose him. Cortana was made out of a scan of Halsey's brain, Halsey always showed favoritism when it came to John, for example, Mendez believed that Kurt was a better when it came to leadership but Halsey told him to make John the leader.


Cortana =/= Halsey.

Cortana may have had a flash clone of Halsey's brain patterns, but that doesn't mean she is the exact same person. Cortana has her own personality, which is very different from Halsey's. Cortana is her own person, they're two very different characters. Same with David-312, aka Noble Six, and John-117. Cortana's chosen couriers have been David and John. Halsey's personal favorites have been David and John, both an SII and an SIII respectively, and both being described, by her, as above lethal.

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  • 07.06.2011 3:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Alex the Awesome
Master Chief = Luck.

That's what stood out, he was always lucky.


This. MC has always had exceptional luck and that's why he always survives against waves and waves of enemies without fail.

[Edited on 07.06.2011 4:17 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2011 4:16 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: nozer666
John is the most lucky, and the best leader. That's why Cortana chose him.


No, Halsey chose him. Cortana was made out of a scan of Halsey's brain, Halsey always showed favoritism when it came to John, for example, Mendez believed that Kurt was a better when it came to leadership but Halsey told him to make John the leader.


Cortana =/= Halsey.

Cortana may have had a flash clone of Halsey's brain patterns, but that doesn't mean she is the exact same person. Cortana has her own personality, which is very different from Halsey's. Cortana is her own person, they're two very different characters. Same with David-312, aka Noble Six, and John-117. Cortana's chosen couriers have been David and John. Halsey's personal favorites have been David and John, both an SII and an SIII respectively, and both being described, by her, as above lethal.


Mhm. Pretty much what you just said. Even though Cortana is essentially a clone of Halsey, the two are still very different, they may have similar personalities or mannerisms, but really they are completely different. It is impossible for two things to be exactly the same. Even if you cloned someone and raised them under the exact same condition as the original was, they would still turn out different. Now Cortana being a clone of Halsey's adult brain may have a touch of influence on Cortana's relationship with John, but I don't think it's much.

  • 07.06.2011 8:28 AM PDT

Was anyone better at strategy than the mc? Skills do go to waste if they aren't used efficiently which is one part of of a leader. Also luck my not be a skill but it's been established that mc is the luckiest spartin.

  • 07.06.2011 8:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: IBumpElectro
Thats weird...in Halseys journal that came with the Limited edition of reach she writes that there was one spartan that stood out. one that was best at everything Spartan 117.

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"Noble Six. The team's most recent addition.... Hyper-lethal: there's only one other Spartan with that rating..."
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  • 07.06.2011 8:43 AM PDT

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John 117 is the best Spartan. Anyone who says any different to that statement is wrong. I really can't be bothered to expand on that, but it is most certainly fact.


You're wrong, I cannot be bothered to expand on that, but it is certainly a fact.


Yeah, John is great, in my opinion, but he's not the best in everybody's opinion. Plus, there's so many things with your statement. It is not fact that John is the best, it is an opinion. You want to go home and rethink your life.

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Why the hell don't people realize "Who's the best Spartan?" is up to whatever someone's effing opinion is????

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  • 07.06.2011 7:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: nozer666
John is the most lucky, and the best leader. That's why Cortana chose him.


No, Halsey chose him. Cortana was made out of a scan of Halsey's brain, Halsey always showed favoritism when it came to John, for example, Mendez believed that Kurt was a better when it came to leadership but Halsey told him to make John the leader.


Cortana =/= Halsey.

Cortana may have had a flash clone of Halsey's brain patterns, but that doesn't mean she is the exact same person. Cortana has her own personality, which is very different from Halsey's. Cortana is her own person, they're two very different characters. Same with David-312, aka Noble Six, and John-117. Cortana's chosen couriers have been David and John. Halsey's personal favorites have been David and John, both an SII and an SIII respectively, and both being described, by her, as above lethal.


Mhm. Pretty much what you just said. Even though Cortana is essentially a clone of Halsey, the two are still very different, they may have similar personalities or mannerisms, but really they are completely different. It is impossible for two things to be exactly the same. Even if you cloned someone and raised them under the exact same condition as the original was, they would still turn out different. Now Cortana being a clone of Halsey's adult brain may have a touch of influence on Cortana's relationship with John, but I don't think it's much.


I thought Halsey (in her head) in Fall of Reach commented about Cortana's choice might be colored by her own views of John?

Though saying they are COMPLETELY different in personality I'd say is false. Different some, yes, but many things are the same. The overwhelming desire to protect the spartans being one.

  • 07.06.2011 7:50 PM PDT


Posted by: xXFatal v1
Can you blame them? The majority of the Halo fanbase haven't read the books, and John was the only Spartan they've seen in action. If Bungie had made Halo: Reach The Fall of Reach: The Game, they would have seen that all John has is luck and Cortana.


if thats what saves the world what else do you need? would you rather be the best and die or have luck and survive to save mankind?

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  • 07.06.2011 8:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Docterweegee
Master chief helped kill Osama (Snacks if you get this)
It was never proven Osama died

  • 07.06.2011 8:16 PM PDT

Cortana in halo 3 and in the books says he has one thing luck which made him better

  • 07.06.2011 8:20 PM PDT

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  • 07.06.2011 8:21 PM PDT

oh yea, who died Noble 6, who didn't John 117& Noble 6 had a team of spartan's &Still died,Boom!

  • 07.06.2011 8:31 PM PDT
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I've read somewhere that where John might not be the fastest, strongest, best sniper or best leader, he is however best overall because he is good at all he does. He might not be the best at anything, but he is the spartan with the best balance of skills.

  • 07.06.2011 8:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: xAFRO SAMURAIx
oh yea, who died Noble 6, who didn't John 117& Noble 6 had a team of spartan's &Still died,Boom!


Considering how John sent 20+ Spartans to die to Reach and did nothing but fight an Elite and some Jackals/Grunts as opposed to Six whom went out fighting against countless Elites, I'd say Six is better.

And to the guy/girl above me, Fred had the most ability overall (always ended in second place by own choice).

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  • 07.06.2011 8:50 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: xAFRO SAMURAIx
oh yea, who died Noble 6, who didn't John 117& Noble 6 had a team of spartan's &Still died,Boom!


Considering how John sent 20+ Spartans to die to Reach and did nothing but fight an Elite and some Jackals/Grunts as opposed to Six whom went out fighting against countless Elites, I'd say Six is better.

And to the guy/girl above me, Fred had the most ability overall (always ended in second place by own choice).


Indeed. Fred was technically classed above lethal at around the time of Reach, so it is possible that "one other SPARTAN" was none other than SPARTAN-104.

  • 07.06.2011 9:06 PM PDT

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The Chief is the Chief. Might not be the best, but he was there to do the job, and you know what? He did a damn good job. What any of his SPARTAN brothers and sisters would've done. Except that the Master Chief is someone that you would think that isn't really the best but he doesn't give up, he keeps going to the end. Could any other SPARTAN survive The Library alone? Sure, Sgt.Mabuto did, he did good job but at the end he died,his body was completely destroyed by the Combat Forms. The Chief didn't, he kept going. Any SPARTAN would have the same driving force, but what made the Chief unique is that his Luck and Swiftness helped him. Even without Cortana.

  • 07.06.2011 9:23 PM PDT

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This. John wasn't the most skilled... And yet he economists what nobody else could.
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Cortana in halo 3 and in the books says he has one thing luck which made him better

  • 07.06.2011 10:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: IBumpElectro
Thats weird...in Halseys journal that came with the Limited edition of reach she writes that there was one spartan that stood out. one that was best at everything Spartan 117.
At the first level of Halo 3 Cortana stated he was given extraordinaire luck that achieved his victory. But that wasn't his reasoning's of being the best.

Noble 6 spared his life and the entire humanity by staying back to finish Emile's job.

  • 07.06.2011 10:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: xAFRO SAMURAIx
oh yea, who died Noble 6, who didn't John 117& Noble 6 had a team of spartan's &Still died,Boom!


Considering how John sent 20+ Spartans to die to Reach and did nothing but fight an Elite and some Jackals/Grunts as opposed to Six whom went out fighting against countless Elites, I'd say Six is better.

And to the guy/girl above me, Fred had the most ability overall (always ended in second place by own choice).


So that's your reason why Six is better then 117?Just because he fought on ground and not in a space station.Okay let's call Linda sucky too.

Let's use your logic,Chief is better then all cause he survived and fought the most dangerous of all(The Flood,The Covenant and Sentinels)

And Fred can't be that second Spartan,i ask again why would Bungie even hint to a Spartan that most of the Halo fans are unaware of,that's retarded.When i read the comments on that vidoc on other sites,most of them concluded it's the Chief.Bungie did this on purpose,Bungie isn't known for mentioning unknown Spartans and never show them afterwards.

There is a reason why Chief was called the last Spartan and Blue Team wasn't even mentioned in Halo 2 and Halo 3.

It's the true that Fred was always second,but then you guys assume he might be first because John assumed he didn't wanted any attention.That might be true but if we allow opinions then we can also allow the opinions of Halsey who considers John the best.

  • 07.07.2011 5:15 AM PDT

Who cares if MC is the best, or if Noble 6 was better? They're soldiers, their goal? Get the job done, and they did. Thats all that matters, and they, as fictional characters, deserve the love.

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Posted by: Snake Archer
Chief is a "jack of all trades" Spartan. He didn't excel in any particular element.

  • 07.07.2011 7:04 AM PDT