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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?

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Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
How about elites are already equivalent to jedi?

How, they can't use the Force. And there are definitely more Elites than Jedi but still. Just remember, Jedi are not warriors, but peace keepers. Sure they are good at fighting but they shouldn't be fighting a war for you. Use them as commanders, assasins, spies or special ops.

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I have done my homework in the regard of space and ground combat, The empire utilizes weapons much like a beam rifle. The UNSC and covenant shielding tech is unable to hold against a single shot let alone a barrage of shots from a blaster rifle. The emprie also utilizes a stronger armor for their soldiers then titaium. I believe it is a variant of durasteel which is vastly superior to titainum.

Now vehicle's...obviously the empire has the edge in that regard all of their weapons are blaster tech but on a larger scale and from seeing durasteel get chunks blown out of it or the turrets on hoth being blown apart in a single shot, which would have been made from a titanium or durasteel, I can honestly say that anything the Covenant or UNSC throws will be destroyed with little to no effort. I can realisticly see one or two AT-PT's going down or AT-ST's from a Scarab tank but that's about it (Perhaps an At-At because honestly those things sucked compared to the AT-TE).

Now for the fun bit, space. A saber would have little trouble with a tie-fighter squadron as a tie fighter squad would also have little trouble with a saber because of the weapons and armor plating works for both. As well as the weak as hell shields on a Saber when compared to a tie fighters weapons. The more advanced models in the TIE series would have little trouble against UNSC and Covie fighters.

Now there is no debate for an imperial star destroyer fighting against a fleet of UNSC or Covie ships. The Empire has the upper hand in that regard. Covenant ships would not be able to damage an imperial class star destroyer because...as all ships in the SW universe. It has DEFLECTOR shields, these shields defend against turbo lasors much more powerful then the simple plasma batteries on a Covenant war ship and said turbo lasors would quickly rip a Covenant ship in half, same goes for a UNSC ship though they would be the more dangerous foe seeing as a MAC gun can gut an imperial stardestroyer due to the main design flaw of deflector shields, they aren't designed for Mass Accelerator Weapons and a MAC blast if aimed correctly would gut the star destroy in a single blast.

Now the only issue is they have one shot before a Star destroyer could get in range and rip them too pieces however and on top of that they would also need to align the gun which would waste time.

The only possible way for the UNSC or Covenant to achieve a victory is gurellia warfare.

None of this is bias'd but all based off of what I had been researching over the past little while. No superweapons, no B.S. that I just randomly pulled out of a hat but fact that I've been reading about. If you want sources for Imperial Tech simply ask and I'll deliver.

Also considering the A-wing was a small attack craft and there was a battle going on around the Executer, I'm pretty sure that was a resonable outcome. If there wasn't a massive battle then the A-wing would not have made it although it appears that one scene has to be used as a reference with people ignoring what was going on around the ship.

There are two things this doesn't take into consideration. First, how well can Star Wars shielding deal with missiles, nuclear ordinance as well as plasma based weaponry. Second, the human factor. While they may have better tech, the Halo Universe has proven that cunning and resourcefulness can easily change the odds (in fact, Star Wars has also proven this fact). If it is merely an argument of technology, sure Star Wars may indeed win. But when it comes to a straight battle there are many factors that cannot be measured. And I think some of that may come down to the difference in AI technology between the UNSC and the Empire. The Empire has vast amounts of AI's in use, but by the UNSC's definition they would be placed between dumb and smart AI's seeing as they are all made for a purpose (but still have a form of sentience).

Then again, I know little about the Star Wars AI tech beyond its use. And for the most part it is used in direct application rather than the UNSC's more cloud like implications.

All this talk of uberpowered weapons, and I completely failed to consider this...

Forerunner Ancilla are massively powerful, right?

Just have two or three hack into a Imperial fleet and turn said fleet on their own allies. Have said Ancilla operating on fleet control mode, sending Star Destroyers crashing into each other and opening fire on each other, second one ship is destroyed, relinquish control and start working on hacking another one.

  • 05.08.2011 5:42 PM PDT

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Matt help. The forerunners have attackedk and are in control of the Tatoo system.
What should they do next? They're building an army but it'll take a few days. Right now they have, a fortress-class vessel, a great mining ship, a great builder ship and the Didact's cruiser.

  • 05.08.2011 5:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
All this talk of uberpowered weapons, and I completely failed to consider this...

Forerunner Ancilla are massively powerful, right?

Just have two or three hack into a Imperial fleet and turn said fleet on their own allies. Have said Ancilla operating on fleet control mode, sending Star Destroyers crashing into each other and opening fire on each other, second one ship is destroyed, relinquish control and start working on hacking another one.


Yeah! And then just have all the Force users to have ever existed to combine their power to mind control those Forerunner! Or better yet, just have them disintegrate every thing that dares oppose them in the Haloverse from a galaxy away!

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Matt help. The forerunners have attackedk and are in control of the Tatoo system.
What should they do next? They're building an army but it'll take a few days. Right now they have, a fortress-class vessel, a great mining ship, a great builder ship and the Didact's cruiser.
Send Didact to scout out other systems, start mining the planet, but be ready to pack up and leave the second Didact discovers an uninhabited system. Once you get there, start constructing Maginot Line V2. After that, just build up as much as you want.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
All this talk of uberpowered weapons, and I completely failed to consider this...

Forerunner Ancilla are massively powerful, right?

Just have two or three hack into a Imperial fleet and turn said fleet on their own allies. Have said Ancilla operating on fleet control mode, sending Star Destroyers crashing into each other and opening fire on each other, second one ship is destroyed, relinquish control and start working on hacking another one.


Yeah! And then just have all the Force users to have ever existed to combine their power to mind control those Forerunner! Or better yet, just have them disintegrate every thing that dares oppose them in the Haloverse from a galaxy away!

What the... what the hell is wrong with you?

EDIT: In the end, it won't matter, the Ancilla would still hack into the GE's systems and bring them down. Followed shortly by the rest of the Star Wars galaxy. Especially as how the AIs have nothing to lose now.

Also, Shield Worlds.
Also, THE GLOW.
Also... well has there ever been a record of a Jedi/Sith affecting something in slipspace/hyperspace?

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covie ships have glassing beams if a mac blast can get through deflector shields(which don't seem reliable anyway) a glassing beam can for sure

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Posted by: SlummyZeru
covie ships have glassing beams if a mac blast can get through deflector shields(which don't seem reliable anyway) a glassing beam can for sure

still a weakbutt energy weapon.

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how it can gut anything 1 hit

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Matt help. The forerunners have attackedk and are in control of the Tatoo system.
What should they do next? They're building an army but it'll take a few days. Right now they have, a fortress-class vessel, a great mining ship, a great builder ship and the Didact's cruiser.
Send Didact to scout out other systems, start mining the planet, but be ready to pack up and leave the second Didact discovers an uninhabited system. Once you get there, start constructing Maginot Line V2. After that, just build up as much as you want.

They've already started building on Tatooine and I think they are going to get control of the Arkanis sector but the thing is, would the maginot line V2 work with hyperspace?

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Matt help. The forerunners have attackedk and are in control of the Tatoo system.
What should they do next? They're building an army but it'll take a few days. Right now they have, a fortress-class vessel, a great mining ship, a great builder ship and the Didact's cruiser.
Send Didact to scout out other systems, start mining the planet, but be ready to pack up and leave the second Didact discovers an uninhabited system. Once you get there, start constructing Maginot Line V2. After that, just build up as much as you want.

They've already started building on Tatooine and I think they are going to get control of the Arkanis sector but the thing is, would the maginot line V2 work with hyperspace?

yeah slipspace and hyerspace r pretty much the same thing just different names

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Matt help. The forerunners have attackedk and are in control of the Tatoo system.
What should they do next? They're building an army but it'll take a few days. Right now they have, a fortress-class vessel, a great mining ship, a great builder ship and the Didact's cruiser.
Send Didact to scout out other systems, start mining the planet, but be ready to pack up and leave the second Didact discovers an uninhabited system. Once you get there, start constructing Maginot Line V2. After that, just build up as much as you want.

They've already started building on Tatooine and I think they are going to get control of the Arkanis sector but the thing is, would the maginot line V2 work with hyperspace?

yeah slipspace and hyerspace r pretty much the same thing just different names

Slipspace is all black. Hyperspace isn't, Time dilatation effects and other things in slipspace. Hm... Can it use slipstream space as a weapon?

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Matt help. The forerunners have attackedk and are in control of the Tatoo system.
What should they do next? They're building an army but it'll take a few days. Right now they have, a fortress-class vessel, a great mining ship, a great builder ship and the Didact's cruiser.
Send Didact to scout out other systems, start mining the planet, but be ready to pack up and leave the second Didact discovers an uninhabited system. Once you get there, start constructing Maginot Line V2. After that, just build up as much as you want.

They've already started building on Tatooine and I think they are going to get control of the Arkanis sector but the thing is, would the maginot line V2 work with hyperspace?

Keep on expanding territory then, but always try and find outlying systems to hide contingency bases on. Your Fortress-class vessel should constantly be kept moving. Small skirmishes only... for now. I have no doubt that the Fortress-class vessel could beat down the majority of the GE's fleet, but then again... there's no kill like overkill.

Yeah, the Line V2 should work against enemy hyperspace travel.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Send Didact to scout out other systems, start mining the planet, but be ready to pack up and leave the second Didact discovers an uninhabited system. Once you get there, start constructing Maginot Line V2. After that, just build up as much as you want.

They've already started building on Tatooine and I think they are going to get control of the Arkanis sector but the thing is, would the maginot line V2 work with hyperspace?

yeah slipspace and hyerspace r pretty much the same thing just different names

Slipspace is all black. Hyperspace isn't, Time dilatation effects and other things in slipspace. Hm... Can it use slipstream space as a weapon?

Hyperspace [SW] travel is pitiful when compared with Forerunner Slipspace travel.

And yeah, the Forerunners have harnessed Slipspace as a weapon. Terminal 6.

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Okay, I had the idea of burying forerunner ships deep underground.
Going to keep writting.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
All this talk of uberpowered weapons, and I completely failed to consider this...

Forerunner Ancilla are massively powerful, right?

Just have two or three hack into a Imperial fleet and turn said fleet on their own allies. Have said Ancilla operating on fleet control mode, sending Star Destroyers crashing into each other and opening fire on each other, second one ship is destroyed, relinquish control and start working on hacking another one.



This is why these topics don't -blam!- work.

They turn it to Covenant/UNSC vs Empire/similar faction, and what happens? Somebody from halo side HAS to bring in forerunners...

Anyway, to respond to geek. From what Devil's has told me of deflector shields, they are designed to be strong against plasma based weapons, high heat/high radiation weapons. However, mass driver weapons are not well protected from. Theories range from mass driver projectiles simply passing through the shields (Hence the well placed MAC round could possible gut a SD) to simply being able to take down the shields quicker.

The man thing with Star Destroyers however, is that their heaviest cannons have their own power source and are manually aimed. So a shot that guts the ship, killing nearly all of it's power would still not completely make it harmless.

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Okay, I had the idea of burying forerunner ships deep underground.
Going to keep writting.


Are you the one that said he's writing a Star Wars/Halo crossover?

Funny, I am too. But instead of it being straight up Forerunners, its a little of all. Its also heavily story based. More of a legitimate book then a short fan fic (I'm on pg. 46 atm).

Anyway, just thought it was cool.

Note: most Star Wars fighters had only deflector shielding, meaning mass weapons--bullets, shells and Mass drivers--would go clean through them. Think Mass Effect's kinetic barriers in reverse.

  • 05.08.2011 6:30 PM PDT

Wheres Meh Sniper?

Youtube page

thats a tough one >.<

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Send Didact to scout out other systems, start mining the planet, but be ready to pack up and leave the second Didact discovers an uninhabited system. Once you get there, start constructing Maginot Line V2. After that, just build up as much as you want.

They've already started building on Tatooine and I think they are going to get control of the Arkanis sector but the thing is, would the maginot line V2 work with hyperspace?

yeah slipspace and hyerspace r pretty much the same thing just different names

Slipspace is all black. Hyperspace isn't, Time dilatation effects and other things in slipspace. Hm... Can it use slipstream space as a weapon?

Hyperspace [SW] travel is pitiful when compared with Forerunner Slipspace travel.

And yeah, the Forerunners have harnessed Slipspace as a weapon. Terminal 6.


Sentinels have been know to use it as a trap as well.

And I think Wars FTL and Forerunner FTL is about the same speed, really. Both take about a couple hours to traverse a galaxy.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
All this talk of uberpowered weapons, and I completely failed to consider this...

Forerunner Ancilla are massively powerful, right?

Just have two or three hack into a Imperial fleet and turn said fleet on their own allies. Have said Ancilla operating on fleet control mode, sending Star Destroyers crashing into each other and opening fire on each other, second one ship is destroyed, relinquish control and start working on hacking another one.


Yeah! And then just have all the Force users to have ever existed to combine their power to mind control those Forerunner! Or better yet, just have them disintegrate every thing that dares oppose them in the Haloverse from a galaxy away!

What the... what the hell is wrong with you?

EDIT: In the end, it won't matter, the Ancilla would still hack into the GE's systems and bring them down. Followed shortly by the rest of the Star Wars galaxy. Especially as how the AIs have nothing to lose now.


Yeah, you're probably right. I mean what can the Force really do to them once they've been ripped apart atom by atom? They'll easily hack and take control of the ships after that since they'll pretty much be invulnerable to anything in that state.

  • 05.08.2011 6:38 PM PDT

Course, that's assuming the Imperial fleet uses networked computers and cannot isolate the command functions from the rest of the ship. Or manually disconnect the engine controls.

And you know, that the imperial officers will go "Oh, our systems are being hacked. Let's sit here and do nothing at all."

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Course, that's assuming the Imperial fleet uses networked computers and cannot isolate the command functions from the rest of the ship. Or manually disconnect the engine controls.

And you know, that the imperial officers will go "Oh, our systems are being hacked. Let's sit here and do nothing at all."


imperial officers aren't that skilled they'll try but fail in the end

  • 05.08.2011 6:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Course, that's assuming the Imperial fleet uses networked computers and cannot isolate the command functions from the rest of the ship. Or manually disconnect the engine controls.

And you know, that the imperial officers will go "Oh, our systems are being hacked. Let's sit here and do nothing at all."


No commander would ever just sit there. They'll try to counter it; question is, how effectively?

If a human smart AI can calculate "5 billion calculations in the time it takes me to tell you my name" what would a Forerunner do.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
All this talk of uberpowered weapons, and I completely failed to consider this...

Forerunner Ancilla are massively powerful, right?

Just have two or three hack into a Imperial fleet and turn said fleet on their own allies. Have said Ancilla operating on fleet control mode, sending Star Destroyers crashing into each other and opening fire on each other, second one ship is destroyed, relinquish control and start working on hacking another one.


Yeah! And then just have all the Force users to have ever existed to combine their power to mind control those Forerunner! Or better yet, just have them disintegrate every thing that dares oppose them in the Haloverse from a galaxy away!

What the... what the hell is wrong with you?

EDIT: In the end, it won't matter, the Ancilla would still hack into the GE's systems and bring them down. Followed shortly by the rest of the Star Wars galaxy. Especially as how the AIs have nothing to lose now.


Yeah, you're probably right. I mean what can the Force really do to them once they've been ripped apart atom by atom? They'll easily hack and take control of the ships after that since they'll pretty much be invulnerable to anything in that state.


This is part of the reason duels between characters are difficult. I've never seen evidence to suggest a group of Jedi can mind control an entire race with a population like the Forerunners.

Just because "well, it CAN happen" doesn't mean it would. Jedi play defensively, not offensively.

  • 05.08.2011 6:52 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
This is part of the reason duels between characters are difficult. I've never seen evidence to suggest a group of Jedi can mind control an entire race with a population like the Forerunners.

Just because "well, it CAN happen" doesn't mean it would. Jedi play defensively, not offensively.


And sadly, far to many people use "Jedi" to describe "Force User"

Easier to say Jedi, but Jedi aren't the only bastards that can use the force :P.

  • 05.08.2011 6:56 PM PDT