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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
This is part of the reason duels between characters are difficult. I've never seen evidence to suggest a group of Jedi can mind control an entire race with a population like the Forerunners.

Just because "well, it CAN happen" doesn't mean it would. Jedi play defensively, not offensively.


Well, it wouldn't only be Jedi, and mind control would be defensive. Creating a Force lightning storm or simply pulling them apart particle by particle would be up to Sith and users of the Dark side.

But yeah, this is why the whole Star Wars vs Halo universe clash is ultimately just immeasurable. Because the Force can't be destroyed, and when you've got every Force user ever, which would amount to the billions all influencing the thing that binds and penetrates everything in existence, it's just ridiculous. Especially when there's Sith who've done the thing I described on their own.

And then that unstoppable Force collides with an immovable object, the Precursors. Every thread it's brought up that the Precursors things couldn't be destroyed except by neurophysics(?). And the Halo side stands by this. And while it's my logical belief that their things are no exception to the Force power, there's really no way of knowing. So the argument just hits a wall.

It's always fun anyway.

@Mattguyabove
The Force. It penetrates and binds all things. There's no reason slip space would be an exception. But then this is exactly why this is never resolved, because it's only logical that it would exist and still have an effect in slipspace, but then it's never confirmed in the canon. So I can't definitively say that it does, and you can't definitively say that it doesn't. Wall hit.


Another problem I see here: I had always been under the belief the Force exists because life exists in the universe, that life itself was the source of its power.


Which is why, again, the argument hits a wall. Because it's just speculation at this point. Do the Precursor have the Force? No, because you will never find any canon mention of it in any Halo lore ever, meaning they didn't. Does the Force take effect in Slipspace? No, because like the Force, it's a made up thing that doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe.

If these two universes came into contact then both would exist in eachother's, but by that point the Precursor can't discover the Force, produce Midichlorians, and then master the Force before they're destroyed by it. But the collective of every Force user ever would sense Slipspace openings and be able to immediately act, even though they wouldn't have slipspace figured out, yet.

  • 05.09.2011 3:13 PM PDT

Lol. Star Wars would win, their tech is so grossly overpowered and unrealistic.

You might aswell just put Forerunners vs Star Wars Universe

[Edited on 05.09.2011 3:54 PM PDT]

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Posted by: mojeda101
Personally, no Covenant ship could possibly take down a ISDII aside from MAYBE a Supercarrier. Here is a perfect comparison in size between the ships.

Size

Covenant may have size, but Empire has numbers and weaponry.

Best way to gauge survivability of Covenant ships is to look at what kinds of firepower they have withstood from the UNSC and what they have not.

The MAC gun on UNSC ships is generally said to be equivalent to 1.17 teratons of tnt, or 1.17% the impact force of the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. the Pillar of autumn can fire 3 slugs on one charge, the time it takes to charge is unknown but these 3 shots can down the shields of nearly any covenant ship.

The SMAC gun on orbital defense platforms are nearly 10x stronger than the shipboard variant, Cairo Station's gun had a firepower of 9.98 teratons, and can be observed taking 15 seconds between shots, these shots can perforate nearly any fully shielded covenant ship and heavily damage a Covenant supercarrier.

These give us upper limits on what Covenant ships can handle, what they can dish out is less important as long as they can withstand at least 1 salvo from another ship of the same class as themselves.

An Acclamator class assault ship from the clone wars, which carries over 16,000 troops and hundreds of support vehicles such as AT-TEs (which would slaughter Scarabs at range but are a bit more evenly matched, they can also be airdroped like Scarabs rather than the slower and heavier AT-ATs) and SPHA-T which in spite of being ground artillery carry similar levels of firepower as an SMAC.

The Acclamator's turbolasers carry 200 gigatons each, and can fire roughly 30-60 shots a minute, Acclamator shields can withstand 16.7 teratons of force second at peak efficiency, so it would take 2 Cairo stations to hit it simultaneously in order to penetrate, if the shots are so much as a split-second apart the Acclamator will withstand it but it's shields will feel the strain.

An Imperial II class star destroyer's firepower is never stated however it can be calculated. The ROTS:ICS states that all true warships can put their firepower into their weapons systems, comparing the reactor generation and fuel consumption of the Acclamator and Venator and scaling that to the Imperial II's reactor size. and assuming the Imperial II uses 1/3rd of it's power for weapons, shields and engines we are looking at 800 Teratons a second that it can dish out and take, the shields are so resilient that they will not fail for over half an hour even when being pounded by another ISD2.

An Imperial II Star Destroyer has 8 main octuple barreled guns, but it has 36 other turbolasers scattered across it's surface, and that doesn't include the 100+ point defense guns.

An SMAC like the kind on Cairo Station has 9x the firepower of a regular shipboard MAC, and can punch through nearly any covenant ship and come out the other side, and into another covenant ship if there is one behind it.

While the firepower of each individual Turbolaser on an Imperial II is unknown, the overall firepower can be determined using it's reactor power, which is 9,280,000,000,000 terawatts.

The Venator entry in the Cross sections books states that any true warship in star wars can redirect all of it's reactor power to the weapons if necessary, however we will assume it normally applies 1/3rd of this power to weapons, with the other 2/3rds of power being distributed amongst shields and engines.

This means that an ISDII can dish out roughly 740,000,000 megatons per second spread across it's guns.

put another way, that's 50,000,000,000x the power of hiroshima every second.

It takes the Covenant an entire fleet to glass a planet, a single star destroyer can achieve that in less time.

ISDII shields are designed to be able to withstand a full half an hour of another ISDII pounding the hell out of em with everything it's got.

Turbolasers can track ships up to 180,000,000 km away (roughly 10 light minutes) so their range is an order of magnitude higher.

Covenant Slipspace can cover 912 light years a day
Imperial Hyperdrive can cover 120,000 light years a day

The Covenant Navy has under ten thousand ships
The Imperial Navy has Millions

The ground troop count is simply astounding.

During the Clone Wars alone the Republic had approximately 10 quadrillion clones. (The ICS puts the Droid army in the quintillions and count dooku said the droids outnumber the clones by 100 to 1) the Stormtroopers outnumber the clones. The old 3,000,000 clone figure of Karen Traviss was retconned long ago, as was her entire take on Mandalorian culture, very little of her work is still canon due to her misconduct.

To put that into perspective, the Clones alone outnumber the covenant's entire army by over 500,000 to 1, there are also the SD-10 War droids and the XR-85 Tank Droids, both used by the empire and both are very,very lethal.

I posted this before, with little to no counter, go ahead.

Disregard the fan made ones but look at the size of the biggest ship. Then look at the size of the super carrier.
The newer fortrss-class are said to be double the size of the old one which would be 100km long.
More sources please

Cryptum.

  • 05.09.2011 4:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100
Disregard the fan made ones but look at the size of the biggest ship. Then look at the size of the super carrier.
The newer fortrss-class are said to be double the size of the old one which would be 100km long.
More sources please

Cryptum.


This doesn't include forerunners though, from the lack of information concerning them.

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  • 05.09.2011 6:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Spartan 100
Disregard the fan made ones but look at the size of the biggest ship. Then look at the size of the super carrier.
The newer fortrss-class are said to be double the size of the old one which would be 100km long.
More sources please

Cryptum.


This doesn't include forerunners though, from the lack of information concerning them.


Here we go again.

Lets call it a draw, we're getting no where. You constantly cite lack of info when we give you info that you either ignore or cry foul over.

Or in the case of the Precursors: same thing, lack of information.

And that makes no sense. You say Precursors cant be in this because the Precursors are mysterious and little is known about them. Newsflash: Their technology can't be destroyed by Star Wars! Thats all you need to know!

The Xeelee are mysterious, yet they could single handedly destroy the entire Star Wars universe.

Thats like saying "God and the UNSC vs Star Wars. Who wins?

"Well, we know very little about God, so he can't be in the fight."

It doesn't matter. Let me use my analogy again I used on the Flood forums: give God a shotgun with infinite ammo and strip his ability to kill at will. Now put him up against the entire planet's military. Who wins? God.

Point being: It doesn't matter we know next to nothing about them, all that matters is the Precursors(God) are impossible to be defeated by Star Wars(Earth). They simply don't have the technology.

And before you call foul, saying "prove they're invincible.": "PRECURSORS - A civilization which preceded the Forerunners, leaving behind indestructible and inscrutable remnants of their way of life."

--343i's definition of the Precursors.

It seems to me that you realize the Precursors would curbstomp Star Wars, so tried to get them removed from the fight. Same with the Forerunners. We give you calculations and book proof, you say "nay." And why? Because a friend or brother of yours agreed with you? What does he matter? We're just going by what the book said. My--and everyone's--first thought upon reading the book was "oh, so they're -blam!- ing power houses." I fail to see what you see wrong with the book evidence.

Would you mind telling me what you see wrong with that?

PS: Sorry if I came off a little harsh, had a long, tiring day.

  • 05.09.2011 6:47 PM PDT

Okay, just a question. Who the hell are the xeelee?

Nah, I kick them out because they are used as "I win" buttons. As in, "There is no chance you'd win!"

I honestly haven't read the book, but from the quote's I've seen seem very vague as to what the single soldier or such can do.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 6:57 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 6:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Lets call it a draw,


This is what I've been pleading for a while, but not for the reasons you've stated. This debate always ends with the unstoppable Force hitting an immovable object. The Force vs Precursors. Precursor's stuff is indestructible because, well nothing in the Haloverse can destroy it so it's been deemed indestructible. The Force is well, the Force. When wielded by every Force user ever all at once, it's basically a God power, and then even when they all die, they will become "more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

If the Precursor tech is indestructible, then the only way to kill them all would be to use the Force to simply not destroy their ships at all but just kill them personally. But then it just goes into specualtion about whether the Precursor could shield themselves from an attack like that.

And it just goes on. No-one will ever win this because it's Force vs assumedly invincible creatures.

  • 05.09.2011 6:56 PM PDT


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Lets call it a draw,


This is what I've been pleading for a while, but not for the reasons you've stated. This debate always ends with the unstoppable Force hitting an immovable object. The Force vs Precursors. Precursor's stuff is indestructible because, well nothing in the Haloverse can destroy it so it's been deemed indestructible. The Force is well, the Force. When wielded by every Force user ever all at once, it's basically a God power, and then even when they all die, they will become "more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

If the Precursor tech is indestructible, then the only way to kill them all would be to use the Force to simply not destroy their ships at all but just kill them personally. But then it just goes into specualtion about whether the Precursor could shield themselves from an attack like that.

And it just goes on. No-one will ever win this because it's Force vs assumedly invincible creatures.


That's what it always gets dragged down to. And I won't lie from what I've seen it's more then often the halo side the begins with the whole Precursor B.S. because even with the facts presented *And yes there is BS on the SW side as well, considering a MAC Station which is apparently 10X as powerful could rip an acclamator in half, same goes for UNSC ship board ones which can gut a stardestroyer because DEFLECTOR SHIELDS cannot stop a mac based weapon.*

So yes I agree, topic over due to BS being pulled out all of the time.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 7:21 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 7:21 PM PDT

stop bringing super beings into this debate for the love of god! no Precursors, we know absolutely nothing about them at all so stop using them as a trump card all the time. also can we not bring the stupid 'force' into the debate as well, since the 'force' is basically magic and in my opinion has no bloody place in science fiction! can we keep this debate (will be locked soon to be honest, they always do!) strictly in the realms of things that can actually be compared between universes.

so for the sake of argument, lets think up some hypothetical discussion to debate. so let me start with this, an Imperial fleet is on route to Reach for example, not sure what an Imperial fleet consists of so use some imagination but not 'a million ships' or anything stupid like that. when dropping out of faster than light, the two fleets engage in combat over Reach, who wins? and for what reason? do not bring the force into this, do not bring NOVA bombs into this (since they wouldn't NOVA their primary military planet!), break it down into segments, what wins a bunch of Longsword bombers or a bunch of TIE fighters? Marathon or Star Destroyer? can a super MAC platform nail a Star Destroyer no questions?

this debate doesn't have to always descend into balls you know, keep it within the realms of what we have witnessed and know, so no stupid 'numbers' that get thrown around.

  • 05.10.2011 8:05 AM PDT


Posted by: Devils Preists

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Lets call it a draw,


This is what I've been pleading for a while, but not for the reasons you've stated. This debate always ends with the unstoppable Force hitting an immovable object. The Force vs Precursors. Precursor's stuff is indestructible because, well nothing in the Haloverse can destroy it so it's been deemed indestructible. The Force is well, the Force. When wielded by every Force user ever all at once, it's basically a God power, and then even when they all die, they will become "more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

If the Precursor tech is indestructible, then the only way to kill them all would be to use the Force to simply not destroy their ships at all but just kill them personally. But then it just goes into specualtion about whether the Precursor could shield themselves from an attack like that.

And it just goes on. No-one will ever win this because it's Force vs assumedly invincible creatures.


That's what it always gets dragged down to. And I won't lie from what I've seen it's more then often the halo side the begins with the whole Precursor B.S. because even with the facts presented *And yes there is BS on the SW side as well, considering a MAC Station which is apparently 10X as powerful could rip an acclamator in half, same goes for UNSC ship board ones which can gut a stardestroyer because DEFLECTOR SHIELDS cannot stop a mac based weapon.*

So yes I agree, topic over due to BS being pulled out all of the time.


SMAC's cutting a Acclamator in half...Haha, your funny.

Considering that the Acclamator shields have enough power to withstand 2 SMAC strikes at the same time. If you are even a second off in the third shot, the shields would be up and be able to hold the third shot, considering it takes 15 seconds to fire one of those stations.

Empire turbolasers are roughly 4 times as strong as a shipboard MAC, and they have 8 of them, with a firing speed of 1 round per second. Any Covenant or UNSC ship would be vaporized in seconds.

  • 05.10.2011 10:34 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
SMAC's cutting a Acclamator in half...Haha, your funny.

Considering that the Acclamator shields have enough power to withstand 2 SMAC strikes at the same time. If you are even a second off in the third shot, the shields would be up and be able to hold the third shot, considering it takes 15 seconds to fire one of those stations.

Empire turbolasers are roughly 4 times as strong as a shipboard MAC, and they have 8 of them, with a firing speed of 1 round per second. Any Covenant or UNSC ship would be vaporized in seconds.


Withstand the amount of energy produced by the blast maybe.

It's been theorized that the ship-based shields cannot stop a mass driver weapon's round, or that they are weaker to such impacts. (Aka, the shields are still strong, but the round would pass through it, maybe with difficulty, maybe not, and impact the hull.)

Mojeda, Devils has done his research as well concerning the star wars defenses.

[Edited on 05.10.2011 11:16 AM PDT]

  • 05.10.2011 11:14 AM PDT

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Answer;
Noone wins as they are both fictional universes and cannot be compared in any meaningful conclusive way.

Fact.

  • 05.10.2011 1:20 PM PDT

The cake is a lie!

I REJECT your reality and substitute my own!

Sir, finishing this fight.

1 word.

Flood.



/thread

  • 05.10.2011 2:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
High charity, as far as we know, has little to no weaponry though.
It is inferred that it does.

  • 05.10.2011 2:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
High charity, as far as we know, has little to no weaponry though.
It is inferred that it does.


If it did, it didn't have a super weapon similar to the Death Star. I see High Charity as a useless space station.

[Edited on 05.10.2011 3:21 PM PDT]

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
High charity, as far as we know, has little to no weaponry though.
It is inferred that it does.


If it did, it didn't have a super weapon similar to the Death Star. I see High Charity as a useless space station.

Why is it useless to your eyes? Develop.

  • 05.10.2011 3:23 PM PDT

ashanti clan

Well this matters what were talking about.

If it is Star Wars before episode 3 (when there were a lot more Jedi) than I think Star Wars would win due to how big the galaxy is, the higher technology, and of course the Jedi themselves with lightsabers.

The Halo universe could have a chance, but I don't think they have any weapon that could blow up a planet (besides halo rings(they would loose if they activated it)) like the Death Star. Ah yes and enemies die when you punch them in the back.

So Star Wars V.S. Halo

Star Wars wins in my opinion.

  • 05.10.2011 3:24 PM PDT

Posted by: sportan
1 word.

Flood.



/thread


I love how everyone assumes the Flood would win. That is false, the Empire would easily defeat the Flood.

These kinds of parasitic creatures aren't unheard of to the Empire, they've faced, defeated, and have even created their own. The Empire would have an understanding of how the flood works based on their experiences with similar creatures and the Yuuzhan Vong, and would have little trouble with them as they know that to eliminate them.

Empire would Deal with the Flood not too differently to how the Covenant deals with them, orbital bombardment and burning them out whenever possible or necessary. Also similar methods, though refined, using mostly droids.

Main difference being that the Droids would be controlled not by an AI, but a manned control center that would be heavily defended, mobile, and impossible to corrupt via the gravemind without first blasting through the defenses, which wouldn't be likely to happen, also Droids in the Clone Wars were capable of continuing their orders independent from a control ship, and heavy use of Dark Troopers would slaughter the Flood.

A ship is infected? Auto detonation thus killing all flood on the ship. The Empire has quadrillions of troops, with Millions of ships with near indestructible deflector shields with thousands of troops inside along with thousands of droids, and you think they will go down easily? Even if there were ships to go down which I highly doubt, cloning is still in production, along with conscription far away in the Star Wars galaxy.

Grand Admiral Thrawn devised a method to create stable, effective clones with impressive combat performance in roughly a week. In just a week, we could create millions of troops able to defeat Flood with their E-11 Blasters which are basically brute shots but in Assault Rifle form.

Another major difference, and this being the main problem with the Forerunners, is that the Forerunners allowed the Flood to spread before taking action, until the point came where the Flood were too great a threat to be held back. The Empire on the other hand would not hesitate to annihilate the Flood at their earliest encounter.

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: sportan
1 word.

Flood.



/thread


I love how everyone assumes the Flood would win. That is false, the Empire would easily defeat the Flood.

These kinds of parasitic creatures aren't unheard of to the Empire, they've faced, defeated, and have even created their own. The Empire would have an understanding of how the flood works based on their experiences with similar creatures and the Yuuzhan Vong, and would have little trouble with them as they know that to eliminate them.

Empire would Deal with the Flood not too differently to how the Covenant deals with them, orbital bombardment and burning them out whenever possible or necessary. Also similar methods, though refined, using mostly droids.

Main difference being that the Droids would be controlled not by an AI, but a manned control center that would be heavily defended, mobile, and impossible to corrupt via the gravemind without first blasting through the defenses, which wouldn't be likely to happen, also Droids in the Clone Wars were capable of continuing their orders independent from a control ship, and heavy use of Dark Troopers would slaughter the Flood.

A ship is infected? Auto detonation thus killing all flood on the ship. The Empire has quadrillions of troops, with Millions of ships with near indestructible deflector shields with thousands of troops inside along with thousands of droids, and you think they will go down easily? Even if there were ships to go down which I highly doubt, cloning is still in production, along with conscription far away in the Star Wars galaxy.

Grand Admiral Thrawn devised a method to create stable, effective clones with impressive combat performance in roughly a week. In just a week, we could create millions of troops able to defeat Flood with their E-11 Blasters which are basically brute shots but in Assault Rifle form.

Another major difference, and this being the main problem with the Forerunners, is that the Forerunners allowed the Flood to spread before taking action, until the point came where the Flood were too great a threat to be held back. The Empire on the other hand would not hesitate to annihilate the Flood at their earliest encounter.

The flood wouldn't just pop up in the sights of the empire...

  • 05.10.2011 3:36 PM PDT

not this rubbish about Turbo-lasers and how they are unfathomably powerful! why must it always come down to this, they are not that potent, they just aren't! to gauge the destruction that a single shot from a standard 'light' MAC on a Frigate (light because of short barrel length!) would cause, you have to look at the devastation caused in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then multiply it by around four or more. also its perfectly feasible due to the fact they are just mass moving at high velocity, similar to an asteroid or comet strike! then on the other side of the spectrum, these lasers that Star Wars-ers are claiming are 'four times as powerful' seem to do NOTHING! to whatever it is they are hitting, a perfect example of how weak Star Wars lasers are, watch Episode III the battle at the beginning the Venator broadsiding the Invisible Hand, all those 'four times as powerful as MAC' weapons do is put a couple of holes in the side of the ship and knock a few clone troopers around! put a MAC round in that same space and you'll loose half the ship, guaranteed! sorry but the Star Wars argument has no substance in that respect at all, neither do these shields that can stop three super MAC rounds yet the presumably very very strong shields of the Executor cannot stop a humble A-wing from colliding with the bridge, totalling it! a MAC round has more mass than an A-wing and since it is just a solid lump of matter it will have the exact same effect on the shield, complete penetration.

to further add to how the argument has no substance, these exact same 'shields' and all there monumental inconsistency earlier stop numerous asteroid strikes, while navigating an asteroid field. how is it that they can stop asteroids (rock and metal) and they can't stop a simple fighter (metal and some other stuff), hence how there is no argument since the shields don't behave in a consistent manner throughout the movies, one second they stop matter, the next (because of plot!) magically don't stop matter.

  • 05.10.2011 3:37 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan 100

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
High charity, as far as we know, has little to no weaponry though.
It is inferred that it does.


If it did, it didn't have a super weapon similar to the Death Star. I see High Charity as a useless space station.

Why is it useless to your eyes? Develop.


It went down with barely any resistance to the Flood. There was nothing to protect as it is. Holy city? That's all it is, a city that has a dreadnought which left before Delta Halo almost fired. It is just a space station.

The Death Star is actually a very essential space station with millions of ships and of course, the beam that could destroy entire planets. But the Empire had a plan if it were to ever be taken over which would never happen. The Galaxy Gun, Eclipse, or other impressive Empire machinery capable of destroying Planets would simply destroy it, or self detonate it before it could be used by the Enemy. Why didn't the Covenant has this idea set?

  • 05.10.2011 3:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Spartan 100

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Onyx81

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
High charity, as far as we know, has little to no weaponry though.
It is inferred that it does.


If it did, it didn't have a super weapon similar to the Death Star. I see High Charity as a useless space station.

Why is it useless to your eyes? Develop.


It went down with barely any resistance to the Flood. There was nothing to protect as it is. Holy city? That's all it is, a city that has a dreadnought which left before Delta Halo almost fired. It is just a space station.

The Death Star is actually a very essential space station with millions of ships and of course, the beam that could destroy entire planets. But the Empire had a plan if it were to ever be taken over which would never happen. The Galaxy Gun, Eclipse, or other impressive Empire machinery capable of destroying Planets would simply destroy it, or self detonate it before it could be used by the Enemy. Why didn't the Covenant has this idea set?

High Charity was the holy city of the covenant! It was defended by hundreds and maybe thousands of ships at all times.
It is the political and religious center of the covenant and it is buzzing with activity.
The flood slipspaced the In Amber Clad inside high charity. It totally avoided all the defenses and crashed inside of high charity. It then released it's infectious cargo all over the city. And also, a couple of doors isn't going to stop the flood for a long time...

  • 05.10.2011 3:48 PM PDT

true, lets be honest the doors didn't do much to stop the inept Mark Hammill, Han Solo and a walking carpet for long did they? also in a trooper to trooper fight the humans from Halo would be laughing, since the Imperial Storm Troopers can't hit nothing! even with lasers (which move at the speed of light, except in Star Wars!) so they are blam! either way!

  • 05.10.2011 3:54 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan 100


I could never see the Covenant having over 1200 ships. Ever.
Before Reach, the Covenant had 300 ships ready to Invade Reach, with 500 orbiting Unyielding Hierophant, and a hundred orbiting High Charity. By the beginning of Earth's invasion, all the 500 ships of the Unyielding Hierophant were lost, along with 100 of the 300 that invaded Reach.

That leaves the Covenant with about maybe 300 ships. 200 from Reach, and the hundred protecting High Charity. With the Great Schism, many were destroyed, With about what? Only 45 left for the Invasion of Earth.

Do you not find that sad? The Empire would be able to mass produce more Imperial ships within Weeks. Add to the fact that they have Millions as it is.

  • 05.10.2011 3:56 PM PDT