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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
not this rubbish about Turbo-lasers and how they are unfathomably powerful! why must it always come down to this, they are not that potent, they just aren't! to gauge the destruction that a single shot from a standard 'light' MAC on a Frigate (light because of short barrel length!) would cause, you have to look at the devastation caused in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then multiply it by around four or more. also its perfectly feasible due to the fact they are just mass moving at high velocity, similar to an asteroid or comet strike! then on the other side of the spectrum, these lasers that Star Wars-ers are claiming are 'four times as powerful' seem to do NOTHING! to whatever it is they are hitting, a perfect example of how weak Star Wars lasers are, watch Episode III the battle at the beginning the Venator broadsiding the Invisible Hand, all those 'four times as powerful as MAC' weapons do is put a couple of holes in the side of the ship and knock a few clone troopers around! put a MAC round in that same space and you'll loose half the ship, guaranteed! sorry but the Star Wars argument has no substance in that respect at all, neither do these shields that can stop three super MAC rounds yet the presumably very very strong shields of the Executor cannot stop a humble A-wing from colliding with the bridge, totalling it! a MAC round has more mass than an A-wing and since it is just a solid lump of matter it will have the exact same effect on the shield, complete penetration.
to further add to how the argument has no substance, these exact same 'shields' and all there monumental inconsistency earlier stop numerous asteroid strikes, while navigating an asteroid field. how is it that they can stop asteroids (rock and metal) and they can't stop a simple fighter (metal and some other stuff), hence how there is no argument since the shields don't behave in a consistent manner throughout the movies, one second they stop matter, the next (because of plot!) magically don't stop matter.
um, I'm sorry, but those were two WARSHIPS pounding each other. As in, their shields and armor plating was DESIGNED to take the pounding from the turbolasers.
You want proof? Ep1 actually. A hanger bay gun turns, and destroys the diplomatic ship (Which had next to no armor, and no shields up) in a single shot. If it had fired upon a similar sized ship, only with military grade armor? Results would probably be different.
Yes, the armor plating is ddesigned to tank warship shells.
Here's the problem: In Ep. III we see a few of the Hand's rounds strike a direct hit on a Venator gun battery. A few of the clones get caught in the explosion. I can garuntee you that shell did not hit with the force of a nuke. Those clones were not vaporized by flames that consumed them. They WERE killed, but not vaporized like they should have been.
Or howabout when the Venator detonates the Hand's loading magazine for one of its guns? No collosal super explosion occured when the energy cells in the magazine exploded. It looked more like a modern day explosion with modern explosives.
Or when a turbolaser landed a direct hit on a droid in Ep I, the droid got obliterated, but not vaporized. If those guns were nuke cannons, the droid shouldn't even had time to scream.
Or when an Executor SSD turbolaser destroyed an X-Wing in Ep VI, the X-Wing (a titanium-built fighter) was not vaporized. It did fly apart (it WAS a warship weapon) but there were still sizable pieces left.
Or when the first X-Wing pilot was killed on the Death Star raid in Ep. IV by a turbolaser. Should have been vaporized, but he wasn't.
I can keep going, if I had the time, but I need to leave for now. Case in point, the movies contradict the EU so many times in terms of the power of these guns its laughable.
Face it, they're not that strong. They are numerous however, so they're still dangerous, but not in strength.
First off, The invisible hand is made out of neutronium alloys and other fictional, unfathomably powerful materials with unknown properties. The weapons affects on the armour mean nothing beyond getting an idea of how strong the armour is and it's capability to channel and deflect heat and kinetic force. It is no indication of how strong the weapons are.
Also you are thinking a Nuclear explosion in space looks the same as it does in an atmosphere, it doesn't, you are also assuming that Teratons of energy MUST be released in the same manner of a nuke, again they don't. The use of Teratons is just there to get an idea of how much energy is being thrown around in a small space.
Also the Executor's bridge shields were already DOWN when the A-Wing crashed into it, as a result of the Rebel capital ships bombarding it with their own heavy turbolasers. (consider this series of events, quoted from the film)
Admiral Ackbar:"We've got to give those fighters more time, concentrate all fire on that super star destroyer"
Two A-Wings strafe the port com/scan globe, firing multiple shots before it finally blows as the shields drop from Ackbar's fleet barage.
Bridge Officer:"Sir we've lost our bridge deflector shield!"
Admiral Piett: "Intensify fire on the forward batteries, I don't want anything to get through!"
We see an A-Wing spinning out of control and an X-Wing get vapourized from a side shot
Commander Gherant points at the distant, careening A-Wing
Arvel Crynyd Screams as he struggles to aim the A-Wing at Executor's bridge.
Admiral Piet: "INTENSIFY FORWARD FIREPOWER!!!"
Commander Gherant:"TOO LATE!"
They dive to the crew pit but that clearly isn't enough to save them, Executor's engines misfire into the Death Star 2's Surface before the backup bridge can regain control.