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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?

large cruisers move slowly, and hyperspace navigational computers can lock onto things pretty well

  • 07.09.2011 1:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: wargeneral11
large cruisers move slowly, and hyperspace navigational computers can lock onto things pretty well

I doubt that forerunner stuff moves slowly and how would that switch of trajectory be possible?


I also just finshed watching the mona lisa part newest's episode, it's scary!

  • 07.09.2011 1:21 AM PDT

but were not talking fore runner here were talking covenant garbage :D

but if any one counters me with fore runners

Rakkatan and the star forge from kotor would rival there tech prowess

  • 07.09.2011 1:32 AM PDT
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Sincerely,
ON3i11

CoD WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nahh, jk, jk, please don't flame me, I hate CoD with a passion.

But Star Trek beats everything any day...

Nahh I'm kidding about that too.

I think these kinds of things are pointless because there are about five groups of people who reply.

The people who know EVERYTHING about SW and say IT wins

The people who know EVERYTHING about halo and say IT wins

The people who know EVERYTHING about BOTH and say it's a tie

The people who know very little about both things but give their un-educated opinion anyways

And of course then there are people people like me.

/thread... please?

  • 07.09.2011 1:39 AM PDT

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You really think that the Rakkatans aren't the only ones capable of doing things like that? The forerunners can build ships in matter of minutes too. They did so on Earth using the local resources available around them. They too harness stars.


Not /thread.

This entertains me and you better entertain me too.


I got to go to bed it's 4:52 in the morning.

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  • 07.09.2011 1:50 AM PDT

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Both are similar in many many ways, but they've also got their fair share of things that are also different.

But, I'm going with Star Wars because Elites can't Force Choke or Shock Marines.

  • 07.09.2011 2:20 AM PDT

Fight Finished 2007

I love Halo, have been and always will be a big fan but Star Wars fan. One turbo-laser shot does almost four times the damage of a super-mac round. We have Sidious who can open wormholes and if one went to deep into either lore bringing out the strongest beings there is the precursors but then SW has then Bedlam spirits which are childish but omnipotent. I would keep all of that aside and just say end this now, these threads only belong on VS dedicated websites.

  • 07.09.2011 2:33 AM PDT

hmmm, ill get some facts soon, to try and prove what im saying XD, either way i do not care which one triumphs over the other i like both universes :D, but ultimatly, i think star wars would win just my oppinion.

but the battle that we all wanna see......

GRUNTS VS JAWAS: could you imagine it, XD funniest fight of the century, each side would shoot one bullet drop there weapons and run for cover XD grunts yelling, little people first and jawas just yelling gibberish XD


the most epic being, Clone commandos, Arc Troopers and clone assassins VS Spartan 2's, Spartan 3's and other UNSC special forces, would be the most epic of all the fights.

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  • 07.09.2011 2:42 AM PDT


Posted by: ON3i11
The people who know EVERYTHING about BOTH and say it's a tie


Actually, you are getting quite a varied response from that group.

  • 07.09.2011 3:24 AM PDT

before the sequels came out i'd have to say star wars.
but now that the force is not an energy field anymore, but an organism (midi--blam!-), flood-force will propably win.
covy or human forces stand no chance against the combined forces of the rebel alliance and the galactic empire however. rebels will always find an airvent or crash an a-wing into that ccs' bridge and high charity goes with a headshot from the death star (which actually enjoys being glassed - it tickles AND it seals of all air-vents)

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  • 07.09.2011 3:44 AM PDT


I want some of that stuff you have been smoking.

If you state all this as facts, then please state your sources. If not, i think we can safely assume that you are making things up.

Posted by: Red Bot 6
For every one who's talking about the "invincible" Precursors consider this- the Precursors were defeated by the weaker Forerunners, the Forerunners killed them selves because they were about to lose to the flood. the UNSC defeated the flood AND the covenant even though the covenant and flood were stronger. So if Star Wars is better than the UNSC, Star Wars basically beats everything else.

Now if you think the Halo's would win, listen here- it takes 7 Halo's to wipe out the Halo galaxy. to achieve the same with the Star Wars galaxy, the Forerunners would have to move at LEAST 7 new Halo's to the Star Wars galaxy because it only affects one galaxy at a time.

Now if you think the Flood would win hear this- Star Wars has a GALAXY full of scientists and when faced with a common threat they would band together and create a virus to destroy the flood and just to say, the Kaminoans were probably good enough to create the virus single handily.

And even if you say Halo ships are stronger think about this- A super MAC shot (Cairo station) emits around 9 teratons of energy per shot and this MAC can piece a covenant cruiser in one shot. A standard Star Wars Acclamator shields can absorb 19 TERATONS of energy, plus they have a heavy turbolaser under the ship similar to a glassing laser but stronger. So it would take at least 2 instantaneous MAC shots at the same time to even pierce a SMALL Star Wars cruisers shields and their turrets emit over 200 gigatons of energy PER SHOT and they can fire over 200 in a minute.

Now just to give you a feel of the Empires power, the Empire has construed over 20 different super weapons one such is the Suncrusher. it has the ability to create black holes and destroy entire star systems and the ship is basically indestructible with the ability to not be destroyed even in a black hole. so even if our virus doesn't destroy the Flood we would just black hole every infected system.

Now at its peak, the Covenant had over 12000 ships, JUST the Empire has MILLIONS of starcraft. The Empires storm troopers outnumber the UNSC AND the Covenant at about 250-to-1. The Infinite Empire would be more than a match for the Forerunners and i have observed many similarities such as the ability to terraform worlds and create massive star ships and both have VERY powerful technology. There is also a match to the Precursors. The Celestials. They are such a massive power in Star Wars that they left the main galaxy to conquer others. They also left behind massive indestructible structures and artifacts of there existence. Also there are multiple galaxy's full of other Star Wars life forms such as the Silentium, Abominor and yuuzhan vong which ENGINEER their own nasty infections that are worse than the flood and create massive ships out that are LIVING.

Now ground forces. Star Wars would win in this category too. with MILLIONS OF DEIGNS AND MILLIONS OF EACH OF THOSE DESIGNS we pretty much have Halo destroyed. I know there are Spartans but we have many more Jedi, Sith and commandos that have shields and are on par with Spartans. Plus THE FORCE!!!! Nothing can destroy the Force and it can destroy everything!!!

And also think of the hundreds of different species in Star Wars such as the Gurlanins which can shapeshift into anything and also don't forget different dimensions like Waren who got teleported here from a different dimension and returned to his shortly after being keep in the main galaxy.

Now to tie up loose ends- the Celestials had teleporters. A performer in the Empire era had a teleporter and he used it in his many performances. Lightsabers can block bullets and can cut through Spartans and everything else. the Sith would probably mind influence the UNSC and Covenant soldiers to be on our team and don't forget how we have brilliant tacticians such as Emperor Palpatine / Chancellor Palpatine, he would simply assassinate the UNSC and Covenant leaders and replace them with Gurlanins and manipulate there sides to ultimately destroy them. So basically Halo loses. nuff said-Red Bot 6


EDIT-----Oh yea and another thing people say Precursors ships/tech is indestructible well only to the Halo universe! what about Star Wars? Celestial tech was "Indestructible" but who knows? maybe Star Wars finds it easy to destroy the Precursors because there is no proof that anything in Halo is indestructible to Star Wars and likewise. also the Empire would just use the Galaxy gun to destroy the Halos and the Ark from a distance and they wouldn't be able to prepare because they cant see into hyperspace. The Force would affect the Haloverse because it links EVERYTHING!!

  • 07.09.2011 4:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Did any one else see the pre-alpha halo vs star wars game?


WHY!?!

  • 07.09.2011 5:16 AM PDT

To me it's not a matter of who would when but when. If you take just the modern canon level(UNSC/Covenant vs. any time in star wars) It's star wars by a long shot. The UNSC/Covenant don't have enough that can match the fighting size, firepower or tech of the star wars world outside of the halos.
When you allow all timelines it became more difficult because we know a lot of the ultra powerful forerunners/precusors compared to what is relatively little of star wars outside of the expounded movie view. So If that is the case ten years ago it would have been Halo most likely, but with the vastly time expanding star wars universe it seems that Star Wars may when just be the power of larger numbers.

  • 07.09.2011 5:19 AM PDT


Posted by: CrazyJediMaster
To me it's not a matter of who would when but when. If you take just the modern canon level(UNSC/Covenant vs. any time in star wars) It's star wars by a long shot. The UNSC/Covenant don't have enough that can match the fighting size, firepower or tech of the star wars world outside of the halos.
When you allow all timelines it became more difficult because we know a lot of the ultra powerful forerunners/precusors compared to what is relatively little of star wars outside of the expounded movie view. So If that is the case ten years ago it would have been Halo most likely, but with the vastly time expanding star wars universe it seems that Star Wars may when just be the power of larger numbers.


Eh, this is true in a conventional sense. The Forerunners could dish out a sufficient military force to take on the entire Wars universe alone, but obviously they'd falter eventually.

However, bigger numbers for Wars actually results in a paradox in which they lose.

Take Coruscant for example. 1 Flood spore+A trillion potential host=all you can eat buffet, resulting in an atrociously strong Flood army.

  • 07.09.2011 5:25 AM PDT

You people forget about the nova bomb!


There goes the death star.

  • 07.09.2011 5:30 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: CrazyJediMaster
To me it's not a matter of who would when but when. If you take just the modern canon level(UNSC/Covenant vs. any time in star wars) It's star wars by a long shot. The UNSC/Covenant don't have enough that can match the fighting size, firepower or tech of the star wars world outside of the halos.
When you allow all timelines it became more difficult because we know a lot of the ultra powerful forerunners/precusors compared to what is relatively little of star wars outside of the expounded movie view. So If that is the case ten years ago it would have been Halo most likely, but with the vastly time expanding star wars universe it seems that Star Wars may when just be the power of larger numbers.


Eh, this is true in a conventional sense. The Forerunners could dish out a sufficient military force to take on the entire Wars universe alone, but obviously they'd falter eventually.

However, bigger numbers for Wars actually results in a paradox in which they lose.

Take Coruscant for example. 1 Flood spore+A trillion potential host=all you can eat buffet, resulting in an atrociously strong Flood army.


I tried to leave the flood and Yuzhan Vong out specifically because of their biological prowess. I feel that their are simple to many unknown about them to make any hard state about what would happen or how it would all interact.

  • 07.09.2011 5:36 AM PDT


Posted by: CrazyJediMaster

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: CrazyJediMaster
To me it's not a matter of who would when but when. If you take just the modern canon level(UNSC/Covenant vs. any time in star wars) It's star wars by a long shot. The UNSC/Covenant don't have enough that can match the fighting size, firepower or tech of the star wars world outside of the halos.
When you allow all timelines it became more difficult because we know a lot of the ultra powerful forerunners/precusors compared to what is relatively little of star wars outside of the expounded movie view. So If that is the case ten years ago it would have been Halo most likely, but with the vastly time expanding star wars universe it seems that Star Wars may when just be the power of larger numbers.


Eh, this is true in a conventional sense. The Forerunners could dish out a sufficient military force to take on the entire Wars universe alone, but obviously they'd falter eventually.

However, bigger numbers for Wars actually results in a paradox in which they lose.

Take Coruscant for example. 1 Flood spore+A trillion potential host=all you can eat buffet, resulting in an atrociously strong Flood army.


I tried to leave the flood and Yuzhan Vong out specifically because of their biological prowess. I feel that their are simple to many unknown about them to make any hard state about what would happen or how it would all interact.


What exactley is unknown about either? In a behavioral and biological sense, we know more about the Flood then we do the Covenant.

We know how they operate, how they think and what factors play into their abilities.




I've noticed Star Wars defenders tend to "forget" or dismiss Halo's greatest weapons because they're either "unfair" (while at the same time pulling a -blam!- storm of numbers out of thin air) or too "mysterious". It gives me the impression they're trying to loophole their way into any easy win, having to fight only two factions.

I'm not saying you're one of them, but it is something I look out for.



[Edited on 07.09.2011 5:44 AM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 5:43 AM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.

WTF how'd this rise from the dead threads?

Anyway halo due to FRs and flood

  • 07.09.2011 5:46 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
What exactley is unknown about either? In a behavioral and biological sense, we know more about the Flood then we do the Covenant.

We know how they operate, how they think and what factors play into their abilities.




I've noticed Star Wars defenders tend to "forget" or dismiss Halo's greatest weapons because they're either "unfair" (while at the same time pulling a -blam!- storm of numbers out of thin air) or too "mysterious". It gives me the impression they're trying to loophole their way into any easy win, having to fight only two factions.

I'm not saying you're one of them, but it is something I look out for.



I meant the interaction between the two would be hard to quantify. The Vong were biological experimenters, the flood a biological experimentee. If one were to get in the hands of the Vong who knows what could happen or what could change. It becomes a huge moot point if you ask me.
And the problem with any super weapons is the same as a nuclear while the can be used if we go to war we don't just drop a nuke it's overkill, while many of the superweapons from the star wars universe can are often are used on a ship to ship bases not just galaxy cleansing.
Saying you have the best super weapons is equivalent to saying the USA has the most nuclear bombs. It gives you great bargaining position but how often have they actually been used.

  • 07.09.2011 6:03 AM PDT

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Star wars is just lame, although I did like episodes 1,2 & 3.

Halo kicks star wars in the blam!

  • 07.09.2011 6:19 AM PDT


Posted by: CrazyJediMaster

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
What exactley is unknown about either? In a behavioral and biological sense, we know more about the Flood then we do the Covenant.

We know how they operate, how they think and what factors play into their abilities.




I've noticed Star Wars defenders tend to "forget" or dismiss Halo's greatest weapons because they're either "unfair" (while at the same time pulling a -blam!- storm of numbers out of thin air) or too "mysterious". It gives me the impression they're trying to loophole their way into any easy win, having to fight only two factions.

I'm not saying you're one of them, but it is something I look out for.



I meant the interaction between the two would be hard to quantify. The Vong were biological experimenters, the flood a biological experimentee. If one were to get in the hands of the Vong who knows what could happen or what could change. It becomes a huge moot point if you ask me.
And the problem with any super weapons is the same as a nuclear while the can be used if we go to war we don't just drop a nuke it's overkill, while many of the superweapons from the star wars universe can are often are used on a ship to ship bases not just galaxy cleansing.
Saying you have the best super weapons is equivalent to saying the USA has the most nuclear bombs. It gives you great bargaining position but how often have they actually been used.


Now I get it, I thought you were referring to the Flood overall; didn't realize you were talking about the interaction between those two specifically.

But if you break it down to simplified terms: Flood consume organic material. The Vong's tech is organic material.

Now I don't know a lot about the Vong to assume I'm automatically correct, but no organic substance has ever been resistant to the Flood except for Johnson due to his disrupted neural patterns. The only logical conclusion I see is that their race would be highly susceptible to the Flood.

And by weapon, I meant anything deemed overpowered by the Wars defenders.

For example, before Cryptum, the argument that Forerunners were unquantifiable since little was known was more valid. Indeed, the only thing we knew for sure was that their fleets could force stellar collapse.

So we waited for Cryptum.

As soon as the book came out, Halo defenders looked at the weapons and numbers presented, and calculated their strength based on their abilities. The most famous of which is the complete destruction of a Halo ring by ship weapons.

The pillar of autumn's detonation carved a 5 kilometer crater into the armor, but exploded with a force of several hundred terratons, based on the explosion's size in Halo 2 compared to the width of the Halo.

So, when 4 Forerunner cruisers demolished a Halo using only their ship cannons, carving vast gouges into the armor, the obviousness of the Forerunner's overpowered weaponry was paramount.

But no sooner had this been calculated then the Wars fans cried foul and said the Forerunners could not be considered in a debate due to either being completely unfair (while they at the same time spew nonsensical numbers with next to no supporting evidence and all the evidence against them) or them remaining far to ambiguous to consider.

Same goes for the Precursors. We know a few things about them that makes whatever weaponry they may or may not have had moot.

1) They could travel intergalactically, something the bulk of Wars factions cannot do (on no fault of their own of course, but still).

2) They were beyond normal sentient comprehension, possibly on the level of godhood.

3) Their technology could not be destroyed, this of all the points being the most controversial.

4) They could create life, something very difficult for even Force users to do.

5) Their soldiers would, naturally, be unbelievably powerful, considering their size (15 meters tall with a tail ending on a 2 meter barb)

Now as before, the lack of any information regarding them kept them out of debates, save for point 1 and 4. "Wait for more info on them" Wars defenders would say.

Well, when we got the info, they once again cried foul and said we were either bull -blam!- them, or that, again, they were still too ambiguous.

But the very fact none of their technology can be destroyed by any science Wars has is proof enough that Halo wins by default. They could have no weapons at all, but they'd still in in a war. Just ram everything with ships that cannot be destroyed.

And while they call foul, they spew bs on a level unimaginable. They say a single laser blast from an X-Wing or TIE fighter is as powerful as a Shiva nuke, or that a blast from any Star Destroyer cannon is more powerful then a SMAC.

Well, I've been reading a SW novel called Death Star, released in 2007, chronicling the construction of the massive weapon. One chacracter was considering the immense power of the primary laser, and I found a rather telling paragraph that shuts down all of this fan wank.

"Tenn nodded. He'd asked about power storage first day on the simulator, and the engineers had fallen all over themselves backing away from that one. But once he'd seen the numbers--they had to keep them honest, even in sims--he'd figured it out pretty quick. The capacitors could hold enough juice to light up a planet, true enough, but once they discharged, they weren't going to be filling back up real quick.

"Once you shot the thing, you might as well turn out the lights and go take a nap, because it wasn't going to be back up to full power for the better part of a day." (here's the really good part) "True, you could still pump out some pretty low power beams--and the definition of low here was still bigger then what a Star Destroyer could manage, even letting all the hardware spit at once--but it would be a duster instead of a buster. You could scorch a city or two, boil away a large lake or even a small sea, but that was about it."


(Death Star, page 233)

All of a Destroyers hardware spitting at once, not enough to level a city or vaporize a small sea, yet they have 50 gigatons per shot cannons that rain fire like a Venusian storm?

While Covenant ships can vaporize entire oceans? (reconfirmed by the cover of "Glasslands" and the Condemned multiplayer map, proving the Assembly was wrong about their power)

It looks to me that Star Destroyers, and by extension, Star Wars weapons, aren't really that powerful, doesn't it?

  • 07.09.2011 6:51 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh



One point on the flood and Vong is that Vong technology is organic but not sentient(in many case) so most comparison to plant life, which as far as I know isn't infected by the flood(though I could be wrong).
And the sentient Vong life can also be controlled by a lifeform very similiar to that of the Gravemind. This has also lead me to form an opinion that the Flood and Vong end up fighting their own biological based warfare for dominance and ends with too many unknowns being taken.

As far as a starwars power level, I would seem that the Death Star book is incorrect compared to the rest of the universe. Often it is mention that Star Destroyers were used for Ariel(space level) bombardment. Not to mention that the Movies(highest level cannon) would disprove everything state about the power level of the Death Star as 1. the first one still work fine after blowing up alderann 2. The second death star could fire multiple shots in short succession.
In this case your using the faulty ideas of the writer of that book(part of the major problem in the universe is the large amount of writers)
Though I can definetly see the Forerunners beating the star wars universe in battle after battle. I think the more expanded the Star Wars universe goes into it's past(just like halo has gone into it's own) makes it harder and harder to declare Halo the winner.


[Edited on 07.09.2011 7:32 AM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 7:29 AM PDT

I think even Bungie would agree that Star Wars is a lot bigger than Halo. I mean, even just by age, Halo is still young in that arena. Star Wars has accomplished so much that Halo is barely scratching the surface of.

Not to say that Halo isn't great, but Star Wars is a whole different ball park. One day, Halo could get there, but it's not close yet.


Posted by: CarlosPrime92

A better question might be who would win between Chief and a Jedi/Sith.....


The more amazing thing would be to imagine the Master Chief with force abilities and a light saber. Now that is an unstoppable force.

  • 07.09.2011 8:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: raindoc
before the sequels came out i'd have to say star wars.
but now that the force is not an energy field anymore, but an organism (midi--blam!-), flood-force will propably win.
covy or human forces stand no chance against the combined forces of the rebel alliance and the galactic empire however. rebels will always find an airvent or crash an a-wing into that ccs' bridge and high charity goes with a headshot from the death star (which actually enjoys being glassed - it tickles AND it seals of all air-vents)


Trouble is, Covenant are not really that stupid to put their ship's bridges in an obvious spot. Their bridges are located in the midsection of the ship, protected by the ship's armor as opposed to the Empires control tower or the UNSC's forward bridge.

  • 07.09.2011 9:58 AM PDT

Hmmmm I actually can't pick although I will say that Spartans would wipe out mandalorians. Mandalorians who nearly wiped out the republic until revan intervened.

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  • 07.09.2011 10:01 AM PDT