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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?

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Did any one even read what I about the forerunners?

Also any type of flood could convert an entire planet such as Coruscant indeed: The flood can infect by slashing and biting.

  • 07.09.2011 11:38 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Battleplan 1:The Halo array

1)First of all have an entire array available,7 of them are enough.But just take 12.

2)Rings will be transported into the Star Wars galaxy with the help of slipspace portales.Advantages is that the Star Wars side has no means to detect objects coming from slipspace.The rings will be placed into strategic placements scattered throughout the SW galaxy.There is small chance of meeting th enemy in the galaxy as most of the space is empty,same with many starsystems.In case of encountering the enemy,the ring will be protected by hard light waves and huge sentinel swarms(see Cryptum) and send an escort fleet too.

These defenses should hold off attacks long enough till the rings fire and considering that Forerunner navy weapons are far powerful then the SW counterpart,then i can't see a problem.If a superweapon get's involved then it get's dangerous,but just slipspace rupture it and done.

3)The moment the rings fire,all life in the galaxy will be eridacted safe for droids.At this moment SW fans act as if nothing is lost as there are droids,but those are retards.In war supplies are needed,most of the companies in SW are run by sentient species and not droids.Killing them will confuse the droids,they will be leaderless.It will take some time for the droids to regroup and retake all empty ships .This is when the Halo forces should grap their chance.The moment the rings are fired,many Halo fleets will enter the SW galaxy for an offensive operation.

Confused droids will be dealt with quickly

4)Repeat the step for the vong galaxy

Battleplan 2:The Flood

1)The Star Wars galaxy,and the others like the vong are populated by a huge variety of species.Lot's of planets are populated,which is what the Flood love.
I don't know if the Flood built their own spaceships but they pretty much arrived in the Halo galaxy(100300 BCE) on a ship that appears to be made of biomass(read soma the painter).

Regardless what the Flood require for this operation are fleets.They can use the ancient crude ships,their own ships,or ships from the Halo faction.

The Fleet should composed of millions of ships.

2)Send a small scout fleet ahead to board a star wars ship.Reason for this stealing the navigationdatabase,thx to this they will instantly have all locations of all populated planets.

They should do this in this way:

Scout the outer rims,if they find a Starship or more.Then prevent it from escaping with confinement shields(In Cryptum this was used to prevent the Didacts ship from moving).Use AI suppresors ,for those of you who are unaware of this,it's just hacking into a starships from another starship with AI's.
Advanced Forerunner AI will steal the database quickly before the ship selfdestructs.

3)With the database,they have all info they need.There alot of planets populated by primitive species which will barely offer resistance to the Flood.Then there are also huge populated planets by spacefaring species like Naboo,Coruscant or Nar Shadaa.

What the Flood fleet needs to do in divide itself in a group of 10 ships.Let's say 5 billion flood ships will divide themselfs into millions of small battlegroups,each battlegroup attacks a single planet.This gives the Flood a huge advantage,consider this...what if the Flood only attack a single planet will all their force(just like the Halo games) then they can easily be contained.But attack multiple systems at the same time is another thing.

This will force the star wars factions to either:
-Deal with the local infestation instead of helping the others
-Help the attacked worlds but this will stretch their forces too much,trust me they will choose for the first option.

Ships can bypass planetary shields by jumping inside atmosphere.Each Flood battlegroup will be escorted by Forerunner starships.The Forerunner fleet deals with the defense fleets,while the Flood do what they are good in.Droids are dealt by pure forms,sentients will be added to the ever growing army of The Flood.

Thanks to the combined assault on many worlds by Flood on ground and Forerunners in space will literally transform that galaxy into chaos.Blitzkrieg on super steroids.

4)Step will be repeated for the vong and other galaxys

And there are other battleplans like sending a lone Precursor ship into their galaxy for the lulz

  • 07.09.2011 1:37 PM PDT


Posted by: CrazyJediMaster

Posted by: ROBERTO jh



One point on the flood and Vong is that Vong technology is organic but not sentient(in many case) so most comparison to plant life, which as far as I know isn't infected by the flood(though I could be wrong).
And the sentient Vong life can also be controlled by a lifeform very similiar to that of the Gravemind. This has also lead me to form an opinion that the Flood and Vong end up fighting their own biological based warfare for dominance and ends with too many unknowns being taken.

As far as a starwars power level, I would seem that the Death Star book is incorrect compared to the rest of the universe. Often it is mention that Star Destroyers were used for Ariel(space level) bombardment. Not to mention that the Movies(highest level cannon) would disprove everything state about the power level of the Death Star as 1. the first one still work fine after blowing up alderann 2. The second death star could fire multiple shots in short succession.
In this case your using the faulty ideas of the writer of that book(part of the major problem in the universe is the large amount of writers)
Though I can definetly see the Forerunners beating the star wars universe in battle after battle. I think the more expanded the Star Wars universe goes into it's past(just like halo has gone into it's own) makes it harder and harder to declare Halo the winner.


No, the shot fired out of the first DS at Alderaan was indeed a full power blast. It never fired a single shot after that through out the whole movie.

The second one was both A) more powerful and B) not firing at full charge. In the book, the DS vaporizes a CIS droid control ship being used by the Rebels on 4% charge.

Nothing about the book contradicts anything. It actually quite seamlessly meshes right into the 4th movie, right up to and including the DS's destruction.

And the Flood can infect anything with biomass, or at least harvest it for resources if not infect it.

And the further back you go? I hope you're not talking about the KotoR 1 Sith Empire. Outside of the Star Forge, their navy was weak compared to even the Covenant.

See: Destruction of Taris. No super nuke explosions going off their.

[Edited on 07.09.2011 1:50 PM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 1:42 PM PDT

Meh, why the hell was this cluster-blam!- ressed?

Seriously, the facts have been dealt out, MANY TIMES OVER.

Using the basic factions: Star Wars wins, halo can deal damage, but they would take massive loses and have to use crazy good tactics.

However, regardless of ANY rules for the encounter listed, Halo side will invariably bring in the forerunners and precursors, going "OH they be super-powerful even though they haven't been fleshed out yet! Also, we win by default because we have to bring out god-factions to combat the NORMAL Star Wars factions."

As for the last post by revan, I shall point out the problems.

A: For the flood to have that massive a force, the other halo factions would have been consumed, thus weakening the halo side.
B: Star Wars ships don't use AI all that much. Depending on the faction, they would self-destruct if there was risk of anything falling into the enemy hands. (Empire in particular) It's debatable if a hack that is not on the ship would even work to recover the needed data at all.
C: You know the battle at the start of Ep3? Reason that happened was because the planetary shields went up. The ships COULD NOT LEAVE. I doubt a ship could jump inside the atmosphere that easily.(Not sure, will have to look this up anyway)
D: 10 ships could easily be taken by a competent(or heavy) defense fleet. Especially seeing how the flood preferred to use CIVILIAN ships to transport themselves. Also, if Forerunner ships were so damn powerful why bother with the flood?

I can again provide links to Star Wars turbolaser power calculations using the movies, and canon Star Wars sources.

[Edited on 07.09.2011 2:16 PM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 1:51 PM PDT

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I would prefer if you left me alone Cmdr DaeFaron. You annoy me.

Even a smiple slash can infect someone or a bite. It takes longer than an infection form but it doesn't take that long at all.

  • 07.09.2011 2:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100
I would prefer if you left me alone Cmdr DaeFaron. You annoy me.

Even a simple slash can infect someone or a bite. It takes longer than an infection form but it doesn't take that long at all.


I get annoyed by many things, yet I deal with it. Besides, when did I do something to you this time?

The empire is very efficient at this stuff. If a Star Destroyer was at risk of being lost to the flood, it would self destruct, or the captain would willingly lower the shields and allow the rest of the fleet to destroy the ship. You see, they have no problem killing fellows/destroying infected ships, preventing even a chance of it spreading.

ISD captain: "This is captain Harrison of the ISD redemption, the infection on the ship is beyond containment. Bridge crew and personnel around the bridge are launching in escape pods now for quarantine to make sure we are not infected. Shields have been lowered, though the self destruct is disabled. Open fire on the ship."

Nearby ISD's: "Confirmed, opening fire now." And the infected star destroyer is taken out before it can be a threat.

  • 07.09.2011 2:20 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I can again provide links to Star Wars turbolaser power calculations using the movies, and canon Star Wars sources.

OVER 9000 TERATON PER SHOT!!!!!!!!!

DEATH STAR CAN GENERATE THE POWER OF 7 STARS!!!!!!!

  • 07.09.2011 2:20 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I can again provide links to Star Wars turbolaser power calculations using the movies, and canon Star Wars sources.

OVER 9000 TERATON PER SHOT!!!!!!!!!

DEATH STAR CAN GENERATE THE POWER OF 7 STARS!!!!!!!


Did I say that? no.

http://stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html
http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Beam2.html

  • 07.09.2011 2:23 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I can again provide links to Star Wars turbolaser power calculations using the movies, and canon Star Wars sources.

OVER 9000 TERATON PER SHOT!!!!!!!!!

DEATH STAR CAN GENERATE THE POWER OF 7 STARS!!!!!!!

Did I say that? no.

http://stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html
http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Beam2.html

Why so serious? Would you like to know how I got these scars?

Star Wars fans chug over enormous numbers and Halo Fans chug over Precursors. That is pretty much these debates in a nutshell.

  • 07.09.2011 2:26 PM PDT

Nah, thing is, I point out the lack of specs for forerunner stuff. And point out the actual, CANON specs for Star Wars ships.

And the most hardcore halo fans scream about how none of the specs are canon because the movie's CGI don't show mushroom clouds upon impact.

  • 07.09.2011 2:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Spartan 100
I would prefer if you left me alone Cmdr DaeFaron. You annoy me.

Even a simple slash can infect someone or a bite. It takes longer than an infection form but it doesn't take that long at all.


I get annoyed by many things, yet I deal with it. Besides, when did I do something to you this time?

The empire is very efficient at this stuff. If a Star Destroyer was at risk of being lost to the flood, it would self destruct, or the captain would willingly lower the shields and allow the rest of the fleet to destroy the ship. You see, they have no problem killing fellows/destroying infected ships, preventing even a chance of it spreading.

ISD captain: "This is captain Harrison of the ISD redemption, the infection on the ship is beyond containment. Bridge crew and personnel around the bridge are launching in escape pods now for quarantine to make sure we are not infected. Shields have been lowered, though the self destruct is disabled. Open fire on the ship."

Nearby ISD's: "Confirmed, opening fire now." And the infected star destroyer is taken out before it can be a threat.


Funny, the Covenant wouldn't even have allowed escape pods to jettison. In Ghosts of Onyx, an Elite ship got rammed by a fleet of smaller Flood ships. The Brutes and Elites joined forces as the Elites lowered their shields to destroy the vessel before anyone can escape.

They seem to think that once the Flood get somewhere, the place is lost. Same with the Forerunners. It became protocol that the instant a Flood spore reached a planet, that all evacuation cease, the planet be considered lost, and the planet be destroyed. I think the terminals say that.

So you mean to tell me the Empire can do what the Forerunners cannot?

  • 07.09.2011 2:37 PM PDT

That's my viewpoint, only the places farthest from the infection would be evacuated. Also depends on the captain and fleet admiral.

And what would the forerunners not be able to do that the empire can?

I mean, holding the escape pods in a stasis field/containment field and seeing if they were infected or not seems logical. If after the time that somebody infected by flood spores would turn, and they are fine, then let them go. Star Wars does have pretty advanced medical scanners.

  • 07.09.2011 2:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

I can again provide links to Star Wars turbolaser power calculations using the movies, and canon Star Wars sources.


Star Wars III would like to have a word with you


As would the Death Star novel quote.

And every other shot fired in the movies.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
D: 10 ships could easily be taken by a competent(or heavy) defense fleet. Especially seeing how the flood preferred to use CIVILIAN ships to transport themselves.


No, they used civvie ships as a wall of bodies, weaken any defenses by high speed ramming and then bring in actual warships to clean up shop.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also, if Forerunner ships were so damn powerful why bother with the flood?



Because they are the bane of sentient existance, they have an infinitely intelligent god-like entity leading them, they are resilliant as -blam!- and they were using the Forerunners own knowledge and weapons against them...?

ITT: people who underestimate the Flood.

[Edited on 07.09.2011 2:48 PM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 2:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
That's my viewpoint, only the places farthest from the infection would be evacuated. Also depends on the captain and fleet admiral.

And what would the forerunners not be able to do that the empire can?

I mean, holding the escape pods in a stasis field/containment field and seeing if they were infected or not seems logical. If after the time that somebody infected by flood spores would turn, and they are fine, then let them go. Star Wars does have pretty advanced medical scanners.


They were not able to diagnose Padme's crushed larynx in Episode III until after she was dead.....

  • 07.09.2011 2:51 PM PDT
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my gt is Godzillla....i just didnt link it properly

if i had to choose which universe to live in ...prob star wars

but the context in which we think about both is so different ..i liked the halo games more than the movies but i think the star wars universe is awesome because its so robust ...but its roust because its had decades to develop

i remember a day when there really wasnt that much of a halo universe , now there are more books and comics and animated shorts to draw things out

  • 07.09.2011 2:51 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
That's my viewpoint, only the places farthest from the infection would be evacuated. Also depends on the captain and fleet admiral.

And what would the forerunners not be able to do that the empire can?

I mean, holding the escape pods in a stasis field/containment field and seeing if they were infected or not seems logical. If after the time that somebody infected by flood spores would turn, and they are fine, then let them go. Star Wars does have pretty advanced medical scanners.


They were not able to diagnose Padme's crushed larynx in Episode III until after she was dead.....


I think it was more of Anakin sucking the life force out of her by betraying her.

But either way: don't you think the Forerunners have some crazy medical -blam!- too? These are the guys that manipulated the fates of entire civilizations and created a species.

  • 07.09.2011 2:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
they have an infinitely intelligent god-like entity leading them,

Be careful in the ways you throw words like infinitely around. The Gravemind is not infinitely intelligent. That is a logical contradiction.

  • 07.09.2011 2:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
That's my viewpoint, only the places farthest from the infection would be evacuated. Also depends on the captain and fleet admiral.

And what would the forerunners not be able to do that the empire can?

I mean, holding the escape pods in a stasis field/containment field and seeing if they were infected or not seems logical. If after the time that somebody infected by flood spores would turn, and they are fine, then let them go. Star Wars does have pretty advanced medical scanners.


They were not able to diagnose Padme's crushed larynx in Episode III until after she was dead.....


I think it was more of Anakin sucking the life force out of her by betraying her.

But either way: don't you think the Forerunners have some crazy medical -blam!- too? These are the guys that manipulated the fates of entire civilizations and created a species.


Her autopsy revealed she was strangulated, but I fail to see how the medical droids with all their advanced scanners were unable to detect the internal damage on her throat.

  • 07.09.2011 2:57 PM PDT

BOW CICKA BOW WOW

Halo will win cause we got aliens and human and forrunner technology with us we got scarabs that will bet thir asses so i think we will win.

  • 07.09.2011 3:00 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
they have an infinitely intelligent god-like entity leading them,

Be careful in the ways you throw words like infinitely around. The Gravemind is not infinitely intelligent. That is a logical contradiction.


Sorry, heat of the moment. I have a certain liking for the Flood as a villain; that seeped through.

I should have said that they have the intelligence of at least one galaxy twice over. In the Forerunners case, he has the knowledge and experience of easily several hundred trillion thousand-year-old inhabitants, maybe quadrillion.

  • 07.09.2011 3:01 PM PDT

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The forerunners are advanced in bological things too. They created the biomechanical engineers. They seem biological to any viewer. They're biomechanical super computers who can repair pretty much anything, deconstruct and reconstruct aswell as pass the information to their offsprings.

The Forerunners had the technology to reproduce entire individuals from encoded DNA/RNA/silicon samples in data streams
The Forerunners were also capable of extracting an individual's brain patterns and memories. Recovered memories or specific commands could also be coded into a generations-long genetic imprint known as a geas. Memories or messages stored within a geas could be programmed to trigger under specific circumstances

With that tactic, the empire's fleet would diminish at an incredible rate. One wound from a flood will infect you.

Remember to encompass the phsycological aspect into all of this.

Also guy with the red spartan avatar, you do not entertain me. It's why I necroed the thread, for my pure enjoyment.

  • 07.09.2011 3:10 PM PDT

Key thing for Revan's plan.

To ENTER the Star Wars galaxy with THAT many flood forms, the bulk of the forerunner civilization would have to have been infected.

Also, the likelyhood of finding a ship with the star-charts to EVERY SINGLE Star Wars world is very, very small.

  • 07.09.2011 3:16 PM PDT


Posted by: dammerd
You people forget about the nova bomb!


There goes the death star.
Actually, the Planetside deflector shield would absorb it with ease.

  • 07.09.2011 3:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Key thing for Revan's plan.

To ENTER the Star Wars galaxy with THAT many flood forms, the bulk of the forerunner civilization would have to have been infected.

Also, the likelyhood of finding a ship with the star-charts to EVERY SINGLE Star Wars world is very, very small.

They can collect as they go.

  • 07.09.2011 3:26 PM PDT

UNSC Vs Republic?

Republic.

  • 07.09.2011 3:28 PM PDT