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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Meh, why the hell was this cluster-blam!- ressed?

Seriously, the facts have been dealt out, MANY TIMES OVER.

Using the basic factions: Star Wars wins, halo can deal damage, but they would take massive loses and have to use crazy good tactics.

However, regardless of ANY rules for the encounter listed, Halo side will invariably bring in the forerunners and precursors, going "OH they be super-powerful even though they haven't been fleshed out yet! Also, we win by default because we have to bring out god-factions to combat the NORMAL Star Wars factions."

As for the last post by revan, I shall point out the problems.

A: For the flood to have that massive a force, the other halo factions would have been consumed, thus weakening the halo side.
B: Star Wars ships don't use AI all that much. Depending on the faction, they would self-destruct if there was risk of anything falling into the enemy hands. (Empire in particular) It's debatable if a hack that is not on the ship would even work to recover the needed data at all.
C: You know the battle at the start of Ep3? Reason that happened was because the planetary shields went up. The ships COULD NOT LEAVE. I doubt a ship could jump inside the atmosphere that easily.(Not sure, will have to look this up anyway)
D: 10 ships could easily be taken by a competent(or heavy) defense fleet. Especially seeing how the flood preferred to use CIVILIAN ships to transport themselves. Also, if Forerunner ships were so damn powerful why bother with the flood?

I can again provide links to Star Wars turbolaser power calculations using the movies, and canon Star Wars sources.


A: Give them several planets and they start pump out Pure forms out of their factories.If not then turn those ships into Flood hives(see High Charity)

B:Forerunner AI's or the gravemind can prevent the ship from selfdestruct by hacking from a distance.In the first fight,the sw commanders wouldn't think of self destruct yet.

C:You can go through planets inside slipspace,it isn't the same as Hyperspace.

D:Ships will jump in atmosphere evading any contact at space,crashing on the ground and infect.
Your point is?

  • 07.10.2011 9:46 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
A: Give them several planets and they start pump out Pure forms out of their factories.If not then turn those ships into Flood hives(see High Charity)

B:Forerunner AI's or the gravemind can prevent the ship from selfdestruct by hacking from a distance.In the first fight,the sw commanders wouldn't think of self destruct yet.

C:You can go through planets inside slipspace,it isn't the same as Hyperspace.

D:Ships will jump in atmosphere evading any contact at space,crashing on the ground and infect.
Your point is?


To 'pump pure forms out of their factories(whut?)' they would need biomass. To get biomass, they need to infect things. To get enough flood for 5 billion ships, you are weakening the other factions, especially since your plan has them entering the Star Wars universe with that many.

Again, proof such hacking would even be effective. I can only find few and far between references of hacking systems in Star Wars, and it doesn't specify how far from the thing, or HOW it was hacked. Even then, You are treating the Forerunners as gods it seems in this plan, that the Forerunner AI would have no problems and easily hack the systems. Though the other, major thing. You would not be able to find a ship that has nav data for EVERY planet in the galaxy.

So?

If that's so, why even need the forerunner escort? Still, I don't think it would be that easy. Again, for your plan to work you have to severely weaken the other factions of halo, magically get nav data to the entire star wars galaxy from a single ship, and then somehow get on the planets. Even then, let's say it's modern 'day' movie empire. They are very good at quarantining infections. Flood as an attack force would be wiped out by them.

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  • 07.10.2011 10:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: hotshot revan II
A: Give them several planets and they start pump out Pure forms out of their factories.If not then turn those ships into Flood hives(see High Charity)

B:Forerunner AI's or the gravemind can prevent the ship from selfdestruct by hacking from a distance.In the first fight,the sw commanders wouldn't think of self destruct yet.

C:You can go through planets inside slipspace,it isn't the same as Hyperspace.

D:Ships will jump in atmosphere evading any contact at space,crashing on the ground and infect.
Your point is?


To 'pump pure forms out of their factories(whut?)' they would need biomass. To get biomass, they need to infect things. To get enough flood for 5 billion ships, you are weakening the other factions, especially since your plan has them entering the Star Wars universe with that many.

Again, proof such hacking would even be effective. I can only find few and far between references of hacking systems in Star Wars, and it doesn't specify how far from the thing, or HOW it was hacked. Even then, You are treating the Forerunners as gods it seems in this plan, that the Forerunner AI would have no problems and easily hack the systems. Though the other, major thing. You would not be able to find a ship that has nav data for EVERY planet in the galaxy.

So?

If that's so, why even need the forerunner escort? Still, I don't think it would be that easy. Again, for your plan to work you have to severely weaken the other factions of halo, magically get nav data to the entire star wars galaxy from a single ship, and then somehow get on the planets. Even then, let's say it's modern 'day' movie empire. They are very good at quarantining infections. Flood as an attack force would be wiped out by them.


Livestock being tutned into flood. Maybe cloning too.

So? Just get more ships/databases.

What makes you say they'll know what hit them and when they do it'll be too late/they'll escape and go everywhere causing massing fear and confusing as well as other phsycological damage?

  • 07.10.2011 10:57 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: hotshot revan II
A: Give them several planets and they start pump out Pure forms out of their factories.If not then turn those ships into Flood hives(see High Charity)

B:Forerunner AI's or the gravemind can prevent the ship from selfdestruct by hacking from a distance.In the first fight,the sw commanders wouldn't think of self destruct yet.

C:You can go through planets inside slipspace,it isn't the same as Hyperspace.

D:Ships will jump in atmosphere evading any contact at space,crashing on the ground and infect.
Your point is?


To 'pump pure forms out of their factories(whut?)' they would need biomass. To get biomass, they need to infect things. To get enough flood for 5 billion ships, you are weakening the other factions, especially since your plan has them entering the Star Wars universe with that many.

Again, proof such hacking would even be effective. I can only find few and far between references of hacking systems in Star Wars, and it doesn't specify how far from the thing, or HOW it was hacked. Even then, You are treating the Forerunners as gods it seems in this plan, that the Forerunner AI would have no problems and easily hack the systems. Though the other, major thing. You would not be able to find a ship that has nav data for EVERY planet in the galaxy.

So?

If that's so, why even need the forerunner escort? Still, I don't think it would be that easy. Again, for your plan to work you have to severely weaken the other factions of halo, magically get nav data to the entire star wars galaxy from a single ship, and then somehow get on the planets. Even then, let's say it's modern 'day' movie empire. They are very good at quarantining infections. Flood as an attack force would be wiped out by them.


Livestock being tutned into flood. Maybe cloning too.

So? Just get more ships/databases.

What makes you say they'll know what hit them and when they do it'll be too late/they'll escape and go everywhere causing massing fear and confusing as well as other phsycological damage?


A: Then the flood is not very intelligent, and the gravemind does not have a large knowledge base. For the gravemind to have a massive, impressive knowledge it would have to have infected countless sentient beings. Livestock wouldn't cut it. I don't think they could even be turned into proper combat forms if I remember right.

B: Might not be as easy as you think. You'll get plenty of duplicate nav-charts for certain areas. Even then, the more ships go missing (especially if they are major faction related), the more on guard the galaxy will be.

C: The empire is not stupid. If they see something turning their men into flood forms, they'll take drastic measures to stop it. Other factions might not, but the empire from the movies? They'd have no problem burning a fellow soldiers corpse, or destroying a planet to contain the infection. They wouldn't sit on their asses doing nothing serious like how I've taken the forerunners to do.

  • 07.10.2011 11:07 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh


And to mojelda: you say a single shot from KotoR's Leviathan was more powerful then a MAC?

So you mean to tell me each one of those shots was 256 kilotons? Because thats 4 times more powerful then a ship board MAC.[/quote]No, I'm saying a Turbo-laser is four times stronger than a MAC, which it is.[/quote]

If you're referring to the calculation cmdr posted, then you would duely note it specifically says it is four times stronger then the Hiroshima bomb, which is a quarter of the power of a shipboard MAC, plus change.

Hiroshima went up in a 15 kiloton blaze; a MAC hits with 64 kilotons. So in that regard, they are equal.

And you're generalizing turbolasers into one be-all weapon. The cannons in Attack of the Clones that shot down the Core Ships are considered turbolasers, yet they caused the same damage a rocket fired from a gunship did did, just fired longer, causing more damage. Not really impressive.

Obviously ship turbo-lasers are stronger, I would hope, because those 12 legged walkers are weak compared to a MAC.

Still, they brought down a Core Ship.



No, I have no idea of what you are talking about, I'm sticking by the real figures given by confirmed canon in the Star Wars universe and Halo universe respectively. Shipboard MAC guns are now only 1.19 megatons rather than 1.17 teratons,

SMAC guns are now only 51.6 Gigatons rather than 9.98 teratons, the rate of fire is still 1 shot per 15 seconds however, the rate of fire on the Shipboard MACs remains unknown, as I don't recall seeing any ships firing twice in any one cinematic.

ISDII Per second Firepower is still 800 Teratons however, so even with the old figures Halo is no match for Star Wars, they are however, no longer beyond Stargate. Hell, aside from the SMACs they're not even Star Trek level anymore, maybe not even Battlestar Galactica.

The Acclamator's turbolasers carry 200 gigatons each, and can fire roughly 30-60 shots a minute, Acclamator shields can withstand 16.7 teratons of force second at peak efficiency, so it would take 2 Cairo stations to hit it simultaneously in order to penetrate, if the shots are so much as a split-second apart the Acclamator will withstand it but it's shields will feel the strain.

An Imperial II class star destroyer's firepower is never stated however it can be calculated. The ROTS:ICS states that all true warships can put their firepower into their weapons systems, comparing the reactor generation and fuel consumption of the Acclamator and Venator and scaling that to the Imperial II's reactor size. and assuming the Imperial II uses 1/3rd of it's power for weapons, shields and engines we are looking at 800 Teratons a second that it can dish out and take, the shields are so resilient that they will not fail for over half an hour even when being pounded by another ISD2.

An Imperial II Star Destroyer has 8 main octuple barreled guns, but it has 36 other turbolasers scattered across it's surface, and that doesn't include the 100+ point defense guns.

An SMAC like the kind on Cairo Station has 9x the firepower of a regular shipboard MAC, and can punch through nearly any covenant ship and come out the other side, and into another covenant ship if there is one behind it.

While the firepower of each individual Turbolaser on an Imperial II is unknown, the overall firepower can be determined using it's reactor power, which is 9,280,000,000,000 terawatts.
This means that an ISDII can dish out roughly 740,000,000 megatons per second spread across it's guns.

Put that another way, that's 50,000,000,000x the power of hiroshima every second.

Turbolasers can track ships up to 180,000,000 km away (roughly 10 light minutes) so their range is an order of magnitude higher.

A shipboard MAC gun is roughly only 1/4 the strength of a Turbolaser shot from an Acclamator, which has 12 guns and has a firing rate of roughly 30-60 shots per minute with a range of 180,000,000km. Meanwhile the MAC Gun is much weaker, shorter range and much lower rate of fire.

Turbolaser > MAC

It's that simple.

All proven, message for sources.

  • 07.10.2011 11:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Spartan 100

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: hotshot revan II
A: Give them several planets and they start pump out Pure forms out of their factories.If not then turn those ships into Flood hives(see High Charity)

B:Forerunner AI's or the gravemind can prevent the ship from selfdestruct by hacking from a distance.In the first fight,the sw commanders wouldn't think of self destruct yet.

C:You can go through planets inside slipspace,it isn't the same as Hyperspace.

D:Ships will jump in atmosphere evading any contact at space,crashing on the ground and infect.
Your point is?


To 'pump pure forms out of their factories(whut?)' they would need biomass. To get biomass, they need to infect things. To get enough flood for 5 billion ships, you are weakening the other factions, especially since your plan has them entering the Star Wars universe with that many.

Again, proof such hacking would even be effective. I can only find few and far between references of hacking systems in Star Wars, and it doesn't specify how far from the thing, or HOW it was hacked. Even then, You are treating the Forerunners as gods it seems in this plan, that the Forerunner AI would have no problems and easily hack the systems. Though the other, major thing. You would not be able to find a ship that has nav data for EVERY planet in the galaxy.

So?

If that's so, why even need the forerunner escort? Still, I don't think it would be that easy. Again, for your plan to work you have to severely weaken the other factions of halo, magically get nav data to the entire star wars galaxy from a single ship, and then somehow get on the planets. Even then, let's say it's modern 'day' movie empire. They are very good at quarantining infections. Flood as an attack force would be wiped out by them.


Livestock being tutned into flood. Maybe cloning too.

So? Just get more ships/databases.

What makes you say they'll know what hit them and when they do it'll be too late/they'll escape and go everywhere causing massing fear and confusing as well as other phsycological damage?


A: Then the flood is not very intelligent, and the gravemind does not have a large knowledge base. For the gravemind to have a massive, impressive knowledge it would have to have infected countless sentient beings. Livestock wouldn't cut it. I don't think they could even be turned into proper combat forms if I remember right.

B: Might not be as easy as you think. You'll get plenty of duplicate nav-charts for certain areas. Even then, the more ships go missing (especially if they are major faction related), the more on guard the galaxy will be.

C: The empire is not stupid. If they see something turning their men into flood forms, they'll take drastic measures to stop it. Other factions might not, but the empire from the movies? They'd have no problem burning a fellow soldiers corpse, or destroying a planet to contain the infection. They wouldn't sit on their asses doing nothing serious like how I've taken the forerunners to do.


Ever played halo wars? The flood terraformed the entire planet but there were animals so it didn't make them that intelligent.
Get a gravemind with sentient forms and a mobile flood hive. From there, the livestock can be used to make pure forms.

Even a few ships would cut it to plan the next moves. The infected crew [the ships don't even have to be that big, they can be cargo ships too] will give a perspective of the galaxy because their memories will become part of the flood.

How many planets can they affort to lose? Slipstream into the atmosphere and infect in a big coordinated strike at the same time. They'll be caught off guard and by then will surely have even more means to infect. Send low ammount of parasites to scare them and make them kill themselves. In the end, they'll be weaker.

  • 07.10.2011 11:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan 100

Ever played halo wars? The flood terraformed the entire planet but there were animals so it didn't make them that intelligent.
Get a gravemind with sentient forms and a mobile flood hive. From there, the livestock can be used to make pure forms.

inb4HaloWarsisn'tcanonherpderp

I seem to remember said flood forms being taken out with small missiles and 90mm tank shells.

  • 07.10.2011 12:33 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Here we go again.

*watches the thread from a distance*


You sure stuck to this didn't you?

Anyway, who is going to just "give them several planets"? The Flood, which I can't believe you are still trying to argue for, have to infect things first. In order for them to have any sort of army in the beginning of the battle they'd have to have infect Halo beings.

You think Star Wars commanders wouldn't think of a self destruct? The Empire would for certain, adroids would for certain, the Rebel army would most likely use it as more of a last resort. Containment would become a priority after about five seconds of battling the Flood. It would take all of a few minutes for the Star Wars soldiers to: A) Say, -blam!-, those things are turning our soldiers against us. B) Realize it's a disease that can be contained. C) Contact everyone in the Star Wars forces informing them of that. The Empire would most likely head up containment, since it's a machine that would have no problem with blasting planets that have even a hint of Flood, or killing troops and ships which are infected.

  • 07.10.2011 12:58 PM PDT


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Here we go again.

*watches the thread from a distance*


You sure stuck to this didn't you?

Anyway, who is going to just "give them several planets"? The Flood, which I can't believe you are still trying to argue for, have to infect things first. In order for them to have any sort of army in the beginning of the battle they'd have to have infect Halo beings.

You think Star Wars commanders wouldn't think of a self destruct? The Empire would for certain, adroids would for certain, the Rebel army would most likely use it as more of a last resort. Containment would become a priority after about five seconds of battling the Flood. It would take all of a few minutes for the Star Wars soldiers to: A) Say, -blam!-, those things are turning our soldiers against us. B) Realize it's a disease that can be contained. C) Contact everyone in the Star Wars forces informing them of that. The Empire would most likely head up containment, since it's a machine that would have no problem with blasting planets that have even a hint of Flood, or killing troops and ships which are infected.



Also, the Empire literally could boost it's military forces and support by rather truthful propaganda. They show a bunch of combat forms cutting through stormtroopers defending a town, and talk about this new threat. and Bam, volunteering and recruitment boosts as people join to help stop this new threat.

Oh, and the fact wireless networks/computer systems are basically no-existent in Star Wars. Everything I gather would require physical presence there to hack the systems.

[Edited on 07.10.2011 1:07 PM PDT]

  • 07.10.2011 1:06 PM PDT

There's only one way to find out...

*grabs a coin*

  • 07.10.2011 1:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Oh, and the fact wireless networks/computer systems are basically no-existent in Star Wars. Everything I gather would require physical presence there to hack the systems.


Wow. Then how do they communicate from solar system to solar system? Is there these long durasteel cables going from planet to planet, and the communications are on the tech level of the telegraph? Or are there mail ships going from planet to planet, handing out letters?

No wireless = logistical nightmares.

  • 07.10.2011 1:53 PM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Oh, and the fact wireless networks/computer systems are basically no-existent in Star Wars. Everything I gather would require physical presence there to hack the systems.


Wow. Then how do they communicate from solar system to solar system? Is there these long durasteel cables going from planet to planet, and the communications are on the tech level of the telegraph? Or are there mail ships going from planet to planet, handing out letters?

No wireless = logistical nightmares.


Communications are different then having to be physically present to hack into a computer bank. Regardless of that, hacking/breaking into a communication line wouldn't grant you access to the ship systems. Last I checked, Star Wars ships featured no primary centralized computer core which could be hacked to access all systems.

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Not dissing Star wars Fans but Halo has a more Vast Universe Not saying Star wars dosent but Halo is my choice.

  • 07.10.2011 2:46 PM PDT


Posted by: UniX NeBuLa
Not dissing Star wars Fans but Halo has a more Vast Universe Not saying Star wars dosent but Halo is my choice.


um.......wat?

  • 07.10.2011 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: UniX NeBuLa
Not dissing Star wars Fans but Halo has a more Vast Universe Not saying Star wars dosent but Halo is my choice.


If you're talking about the amount of fluff, SW has without doubt by far greater amount of it.

  • 07.10.2011 4:07 PM PDT

Mass Effect.

But for the sake of this topic, Halo by far. A video game has more replay value.

  • 07.10.2011 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: untrob03
Mass Effect.

But for the sake of this topic, Halo by far. A video game has more replay value.


Uhm, did you understand the point of this thread?

It's about putting two scifi universes against each other, not about games.

[Edited on 07.10.2011 4:14 PM PDT]

  • 07.10.2011 4:13 PM PDT


Posted by: teekuppi

Posted by: untrob03
Mass Effect.

But for the sake of this topic, Halo by far. A video game has more replay value.


Uhm, did you understand the point of this thread?

It's about putting two scifi universes against each other, not about games.

What I get is that this thread is asking people, via a poll, which one they like better. I like Halo more because I'd choose an excellent video game over a movie I can't watch anymore because movies like those aren't meant to be watched more than three times.

As for the universe itself, I like the Halo universe more becuase it's more complex. So it still has more 'replay value.'

[Edited on 07.10.2011 4:24 PM PDT]

  • 07.10.2011 4:23 PM PDT

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You really don't understand the point of this thread.


It's about them going in a versus.


Who'll win.

Let's say, forerunners launch an assault on tatooine, quarantining the system and terraforming tatooine to suit the forerunner's needs and to use it as a base of operations then drain the suns and build a fleet.

You get what I mean?

  • 07.10.2011 5:44 PM PDT

I know nothing I say will change anyone's mind, but someone said earlier that the empire had millions of ships in its fleet, and then Roberto JH said that was bull-blam!-. Well, that guy was actually right, the empire did have millions. That is all.

  • 07.10.2011 6:02 PM PDT

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They're not the only ones who have millions.

  • 07.10.2011 6:13 PM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

kind of a stupid thead to post on a bungie website

  • 07.10.2011 6:34 PM PDT


Posted by: GOLDENSKULL95
kind of a stupid thead to post on a bungie website

Yeah, that's why I automatically thought it was about what people like more, because this is just a stupid discussion to have... anywhere...

  • 07.10.2011 6:55 PM PDT

Halo's activation = end of all life in the universe

/the end

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