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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?

Of course Star Wars wouldn't get the majority of votes, this is a Halo forum.

  • 07.11.2011 12:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: Xsoldier29X
Of course Star Wars wouldn't get the majority of votes, this is a Halo forum.

Develop.


You know, I wish we knew more on forerunner technology such as buffer fields, design seeds, confinment fields, engineering units, constraint fields, hard light and so many other technologies.

The thing is, we know a little bit about how they work but how far can they be pushed? How many things can you do with these?

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Precursors > Everything.

  • 07.11.2011 1:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: ShadowLegacy
Precursors > Everything.


I'm going to start my sweet sweet wanking again, and to this I'll answer with Pool of knowledge and Font of Power using sith within Beyond shadows.

There, a single invidual can defeat your whole haloverse within seconds. Unless using slipspace could somehow 'block' or make haoverse's forces concealed, the usage of certain force powers without any limits could devastate basicly anything. // edit: Expect that invulnerable precursor technology, which is vulnerable only to Halo's fire. Right now I cant remember those terms, sorry about that.

Wankity wank wank.

[Edited on 07.11.2011 2:01 AM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 1:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: ShadowLegacy
Precursors > Everything.


I'm going to start my sweet sweet wanking again, and to this I'll answer with Pool of knowledge and Font of Power using sith within Beyond shadows.

There, a single invidual can defeat your whole haloverse within seconds. Unless using slipspace could somehow 'block' or make haoverse's forces concealed, the usage of certain force powers without any limits could devastate basicly anything. // edit: Expect that invulnerable precursor technology, which is vulnerable only to Halo's fire. Right now I cant remember those terms, sorry about that.

Wankity wank wank.


I'm curious, if whoever used those two became so powerful, then how come that Abeloth (whom was either incredibly retarded if she didn't use those two) was imprisoned for so long and subsequently defeated by Luke, even though she was about 12 times stronger than him, even with him being considered the strongest Force user in the galaxy?

  • 07.11.2011 2:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

I'm curious, if whoever used those two became so powerful, then how come that Abeloth (whom was either incredibly retarded if she didn't use those two) was imprisoned for so long and subsequently defeated by Luke, even though she was about 12 times stronger than him, even with him being considered the strongest Force user in the galaxy?


I dont know proper answer to that, since my knowledge about Abeloth is quite limited. Could it be possible that while she was powerfull force user, her combat skills were not in the same level of Luke's due the long time within her prison?

As an interesting sidenote, I found this:

Taalon bathed in the Pool, but the Skywalkers managed to escape from the Sith. Due to his time in the pool, Taalon began to transform into an entity like Abeloth.

[Edited on 07.11.2011 2:29 AM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 2:29 AM PDT

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Halo is fun to play, but I'm definitely going to have to go with Star Wars.

  • 07.11.2011 2:48 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

To 'pump pure forms out of their factories(whut?)' they would need biomass. To get biomass, they need to infect things. To get enough flood for 5 billion ships, you are weakening the other factions, especially since your plan has them entering the Star Wars universe with that many.

Ever heard of Flood building forms that can pump out other forms in Halo Wars?

First of all this battle is both sides at heigh of power,the Flood already have anything they need,if we use your logic then we can say the imperials haven't any stormtroopers yet as they need to clone them.

But let's go by yours.They don't need to weaken any faction of Halo if they can feed animals to the Flood or put them on isolated planets to create everything they need before filling the ships.


Again, proof such hacking would even be effective. I can only find few and far between references of hacking systems in Star Wars, and it doesn't specify how far from the thing, or HOW it was hacked. Even then, You are treating the Forerunners as gods it seems in this plan, that the Forerunner AI would have no problems and easily hack the systems. Though the other, major thing. You would not be able to find a ship that has nav data for EVERY planet in the galaxy.

Forerunner AI's and UNSC smart AI's can hack into systems without physical contact,this is something Star Wars never encountered before.Cortana was able to hack a 128000 bit molulating key,someone at spacebattles explains how impressive it is:

To put it in perspective, a 128,000 bit encryption is 6.919e+38,531 potential combinations. To crack it, she would have to come up with a statistically significant portion of the potential combinations in order to do it. Worse, the encryption was modulating, which means it probably chnaged a few times while she was attempting to crack it.

Nattuo:
So she can probably process about the amount of information represented by the total combination count in only a couple of seconds. To put this amount of information in persepective if it took Cortana a trillion years to crack the combination, and she got lucky and did it after only accounting for a millionth of the potential combinations(and it did not modulate at any point) she'd be able to simulate the position, vector and other properties of every atom in our universe(assuming there are 10^90 atoms, and each required a magabit a second to simulate) 2.2*10^38,410 times. To put that in more recognisable numbers It's simulating so many trillions of universes, that even stacking the orders of magnitude end on end(a trillion trillion being 10^24) you'd need to repeat the word trillion about 3,200 times to account for all the orders of magnitude.

That's a tillion trillion ... 3,197 more "trillion"s .... trillion universes simulated simultaneously in real time.


Yet this AI is easily dwarved by a monitor.Let alone the higher ancillas and metarch,let's not even mention a contender.

We don't need the location of every planet in that galaxy,locations of important planets are enough.

If that's so, why even need the forerunner escort? Still, I don't think it would be that easy. Again, for your plan to work you have to severely weaken the other factions of halo, magically get nav data to the entire star wars galaxy from a single ship, and then somehow get on the planets. Even then, let's say it's modern 'day' movie empire. They are very good at quarantining infections. Flood as an attack force would be wiped out by them

See above
Forerunner escorts are needed to hold off any star wars defense fleet surrounding the planet,meanwhile the Flood can kick ass on ground without any fear of being bombarded from orbit.

They were good at quarentaining diseases,it's not even worth comparing these virusses with the Flood,the latter are very adaptable,dangerous and have a superbeing as leader.Quarentaine will be impossible anyway because of Forerunner escort attacks,hell if they want they can send sentinel swarms too.

@mojeda

Problem is that other sources disagree with you,yet you still haven't been able to prove us wrong.

Anyway, who is going to just "give them several planets"? The Flood, which I can't believe you are still trying to argue for, have to infect things first. In order for them to have any sort of army in the beginning of the battle they'd have to have infect Halo beings.

Let's ignore the capabilities of producing pure forms and the fact that they can feed the animals to the Flood.

You think Star Wars commanders wouldn't think of a self destruct? The Empire would for certain, adroids would for certain, the Rebel army would most likely use it as more of a last resort. Containment would become a priority after about five seconds of battling the Flood. It would take all of a few minutes for the Star Wars soldiers to: A) Say, -blam!-, those things are turning our soldiers against us. B) Realize it's a disease that can be contained. C) Contact everyone in the Star Wars forces informing them of that. The Empire would most likely head up containment, since it's a machine that would have no problem with blasting planets that have even a hint of Flood, or killing troops and ships which are infected.

Too bad your star wars ships can quarentaine any planets as a Forerunner fleet is giving them hell.

A:No kidding
B:Too bad it isn't a disease,any retard trying to combat the Flood as a disease will just be doomed .
C:Haven't you read the battleplan?Millions of planets are attacked at the same -blam!- time,so how the hell are any of your SW factions gonna help eachother if they are dealing with their own damn local infection.

Consider this scenario:

*-10 Flood ships suddenly come out slipspace inside atmosphere crashing on the planet releasing flood spores into atmosphere*
Forerunner fleet arrives in high orbit and engages the space forces.*

-This happens on millions of planets.
Random ground trooper asks for an orbital bombardment to stop the infection
Fleet commander says it's impossible as the FR escort fleet are raping them in space.

If some random planet 1 asks help from another planet 2 then it's most likely that the planet 2 is dealing with the combined FR-Flood force and they won't risk weaken their own fleets to aid another.

Galaxy erupts in chaos as many planets suffer this fate.Even if some radom reinforcements arrive from isolated place untouched by the Flood then the Forerunners will win anyway as they have far more numbers and greater firepower.

Also, the Empire literally could boost it's military forces and support by rather truthful propaganda. They show a bunch of combat forms cutting through stormtroopers defending a town, and talk about this new threat. and Bam, volunteering and recruitment boosts as people join to help stop this new threat.

Yay more Food to the Flood.

No seriously how the -blam!- is any propaganda possible if post populated planets are under attack by Forerunner-Flood forces.It's impossible,and which retard would feed the Flood with even more living beings.

A Flood infection on Coruscant will be a disaster,flood spores spreading in the air will infect millions of civilians within the first minutes,in those close quarters fights any oppositions will be swept away by superior numbers by the Flood and strong forms like those in Halo legends.

I'm going to start my sweet sweet wanking again, and to this I'll answer with Pool of knowledge and Font of Power using sith within Beyond shadows.

There, a single invidual can defeat your whole haloverse within seconds. Unless using slipspace could somehow 'block' or make haoverse's forces concealed, the usage of certain force powers without any limits could devastate basicly anything. // edit: Expect that invulnerable precursor technology, which is vulnerable only to Halo's fire. Right now I cant remember those terms, sorry about that.

Wankity wank wank.


I'll just ignore your BS as you admitted you wanked as a true warsie.

Funny thing is we actually have evidence of Precursor structure durability ,even 343 industries definition for them says so.
But again i'm talking to warsies,retards who ignore their own canon tier and would think that their word is higher then 343 industries or Greg Bear.

*Sith looks down inside pool of knowledge*
Pool of knowledge:We are -blam!- screwed

Funny thing is that the pool of knowledge doesn't even does what you says.Limitless knowledge on what?Knowledge on pets,dating,spanking yoda,...i want info on what it can do and not some vague info from a wikia.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abeloth

Oops where is the supposed uber power that gives you the power to rival Q?

Face it warsies all you can do is -blam!-,moan,wank ,ignore and so on.

*sits and waits*




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  • 07.11.2011 5:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
I'll just ignore your BS as you admitted you wanked as a true warsie.

Funny thing is we actually have evidence of Precursor structure durability ,even 343 industries definition for them says so.
But again i'm talking to warsies,retards who ignore their own canon tier and would think that their word is higher then 343 industries or Greg Bear.

*Sith looks down inside pool of knowledge*
Pool of knowledge:We are -blam!- screwed

Funny thing is that the pool of knowledge doesn't even does what you says.Limitless knowledge on what?Knowledge on pets,dating,spanking yoda,...i want info on what it can do and not some vague info from a wikia.


I wouldn't call myself warsie, since I enjoy Halo and SW equally. If I'm fanboy of something, it's 40k's. When it comes to wanking, it was there more to annoy people.

But, now to the quotes that you want:

Font of Power
Tainted by the dark side of the Force and the presence of Abeloth, it was said to offer limitless power.

Pool of knowledge
According to the Mind Walkers, it offered knowledge of all of the past and future if bathed in.

So on, theoretically it is possible that a single sith or jedi could with all that knowledge and limitless force powers dominate the whole conflict, am I right? Also, assuming that the user of these powers is within Beyond shadows, Haloverse has no knowledge where the threat exists. I don't understand properly why my theory is such BS, even if it's one lame IWINLOLO card.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Oops where is the supposed uber power that gives you the power to rival Q?



Abeloth is extremely powerfull force user, but not even close to power that for example Q has.



Posted by: hotshot revan II


Face it warsies all you can do is -blam!-,moan,wank ,ignore and so on.



This can be said about every side and user that has been on this debate.

// This is NOT serious argument, but I'll just throw this here for lulz.

Behold the omnipotent threat that SW offers, the God!

[Edited on 07.11.2011 5:47 AM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 5:44 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
I'm going to start my sweet sweet wanking again, and to this I'll answer with Pool of knowledge and Font of Power using sith within Beyond shadows.

There, a single invidual can defeat your whole haloverse within seconds. Unless using slipspace could somehow 'block' or make haoverse's forces concealed, the usage of certain force powers without any limits could devastate basicly anything. // edit: Expect that invulnerable precursor technology, which is vulnerable only to Halo's fire. Right now I cant remember those terms, sorry about that.

Wankity wank wank.


I'll just ignore your BS as you admitted you wanked as a true warsie.

Funny thing is we actually have evidence of Precursor structure durability ,even 343 industries definition for them says so.
But again i'm talking to warsies,retards who ignore their own canon tier and would think that their word is higher then 343 industries or Greg Bear.

*Sith looks down inside pool of knowledge*
Pool of knowledge:We are -blam!- screwed

Funny thing is that the pool of knowledge doesn't even does what you says.Limitless knowledge on what?Knowledge on pets,dating,spanking yoda,...i want info on what it can do and not some vague info from a wikia.

[quote]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abeloth


Oops where is the supposed uber power that gives you the power to rival Q?

Face it warsies all you can do is -blam!-,moan,wank ,ignore and so on.

*sits and waits*




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The pool of knowledge in Wars grants the user with all knowledge of their universe, effecively making them omniscient, but not omnipotent.

So in a spectacular display of loophole whoring and lawyer-ism, Wars defenders say that the Pool of Knowledge would grant them infinite knowledge of the Haloverse, despite it not even existing in SW.

I can play that same game too: according to Didact, the Universe itself in Halo is alive, and the Precursors were its stwewards and servants, much in the same relationship of God and his Angels. They evidently existed on the same plane.

The universe has shown the capacity to manipulate entire civilizations, it would seem, its ultimate weapon being fate itself to decide what goes on in it.

So now not only do the undefeatable Precursor need attending too, you need to find a way to kill the -blam!- ing universe who is, for all intents and purposes, God himself, something that literally under no circumstances will allow you to kill it.

See? I can interpret vague descriptions just as well as you can.

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On a more serious note though, the PoK is a Force-based artifact, and, being such, would not be able to grant infinite knowledge of creatures outside of it, like the Yuuzhan Vong. So unless you openly admit Spartans can use the Force all of a sudden, the Haloverse is untouched.

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And anyone denying the invincibility of Precursors strucures is dillusional, especially when the only thing 343i has ever said of them is a single sentence written on their website detailing their technology being completely indestructable. You'd have to dig under the Forerunner Primer page, but its there.

I could find it if asked.

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And is it true, hotshot, that they still have yet to discover a way to defy physics, to explain the unexplainable? Can't say that I am not surprised....

No, scratch that, I am fully surprised. I half expected someone to come up with some BS excuse for why it just happened to appear as a weak explosion.

So until they manage to explain why I didn't see the Tsar Bomb every second (hell, these are the same kind of guys who said the X-Wing's blasters did this) We hold true to the fact the Forerunners would walk all over the Star Wars factions.

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And to further on hotshot's point on Cortana's calculatable awesomeness, and then compare it to something even more powerful, Gravemind cut her up like she was tissue paper. So in order to say that the Flood would allow themselves to be quarentined, is foolish. Gravemind has already calculated literally every possible outcome of every engagement he could possible come up against, and would take the best routte of attack.

This guy out maneuvered, out fought and out thought the Forerunner-Warrior-Servent's leaders. These guys used genetic mutations to make them significantly more intelligent, and to imprint upon themselves the wisdom and knowledge of their mutation-mentors, while all the while being augmented by first class military Ancillas (or AI) who were more powerful then Cortana.

Combined with the overly dense population of easily several quadrillion inhabitants and animals, (Coruscant alone has about a trillion sentients on it) it is a statistical probability the Gravemind would eat the Wars universe alive twice over.

And should he infect the cloning facilities on Kamino (which he'd most certainly do after he kills an Officer and learns of the place)....god help them.

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Enjoy what you have and live on.

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I would say Halo would win if Forerunners or Flood shows up. (Remember, Forerunners or Flood isn't close to extinction at all, they simply took off.)

If it were to be conventional forces such as UNSC/Covenant vs Empire, then Empire would win.

And I noticed there's some miscalculations regarding on the ship grade weapons on star wars side. I find it doubtful when a destroyer is capable of leveling entire city with only turbolasers... If I remember right, recent movie (epsiode III) showed that a venator class destroyer vs CIS ship, and we only see is small explosions. Also, I recall a man who worked at Death star as primary weapon officer at laser room or something claimed that a destroyer wouldn't able to level the city. (I think it was Episode IV or VI, not sure.) So, that puts those calculations and "speculations" that were once claimed by several members here in cloud of doubtful and so-not believable.

  • 07.11.2011 8:00 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

@Teekuppi

Well you succeeded in pissing me off this morning ;)

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Just read that the Precursors weren't only able to connect worlds,but starsystems too.

pg 114
Once,these ruins had formed the anchors and foundations for the superstructures of an ancient Precursor world-their system -linking,unbending filaments


@roberto

Then the gravemind was also able to affect the Chief at a distance of light years.

Marine :Your vitals just pinged KIA

(first cortana moment in Halo 3)

And the Cold Storage report where the security had been hacked by either the local Flood or the gravemind at a distance.

  • 07.11.2011 9:46 AM PDT
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i have only one question for you. what general time in the star wars era.

  • 07.11.2011 10:10 AM PDT

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  • 07.11.2011 10:21 AM PDT

This is getting old...

  • 07.11.2011 12:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: untrob03
Mass Effect.


With the weapon yields being tossed around here, Mass Effect and their pitiful WEAK TO KILOTONS shields get flash-vaporized.

  • 07.11.2011 12:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh


On a more serious note though, the PoK is a Force-based artifact, and, being such, would not be able to grant infinite knowledge of creatures outside of it, like the Yuuzhan Vong.


If I'm correct, it doesn't matter if something is force sensitive or not, since it gives knowledge about the whole universe. If not, then pool can still give visions about places and such, which without doubt are not force sensitive, though are connected to force since it affects everything. For example, planet Kesh could be seen from the pool.

Also, assuming that everything in Haloverse is not sensed in force and doesn't have midi-chlorians, SW's force sensitive creatures could develop system or skill how to sense those who are from Haloverse, in way similar to Vongsense.

@Teekuppi

Well you succeeded in pissing me off this morning ;)


I hope that my posts wont annoy too much ;3

[Edited on 07.11.2011 2:20 PM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 1:47 PM PDT

Roberto I'm curious about your thoughts to my reply to your post a page or so back.

I'm going to go read other forums for a bit. Revan's irritating me with this "Forerunners are gods and Star Wars ships/forces are pathetic chewtoys" bull-blam!-.

To note again, how would such long range hacking even work if the communications system is separate from any databanks? It's like trying to use a phone line to hack into a computer unplugged from the internet.

  • 07.11.2011 1:57 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
On a more serious note though, the PoK is a Force-based artifact, and, being such, would not be able to grant infinite knowledge of creatures outside of it, like the Yuuzhan Vong. So unless you openly admit Spartans can use the Force all of a sudden, the Haloverse is untouched.


Dude, you can't keep saying the Haloverse is immune to Force. I already explained why that's all kinds of wrong ten pages back or so or maybe even in a different thread.

  • 07.11.2011 2:15 PM PDT

Overall, if you are talking about the six main films, Star Wars.

As for video games? Halo.

But the new star wars suff isn't even comparable to the real films....

They milked the crap out of Star Wars. Too many games. Too many toys.

And enough of the Clone Wars. It was interesting when it was canonical, but now it's just...

*shivers*

So I'll say Star Wars because the six films are amazing and always will be, but not because of the new stuff.

Halo > 3D Clone Wars Series

  • 07.11.2011 2:27 PM PDT

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Star Wars: The Force, SDs. SSDs, Death Stars, Sun Crushers, DarkSaber,Eye of Palpatine, Galaxy Gun, Star Forge,mass shadow generator,World Devastators,Yo'gand's Core,Dark Reaper, and of course, Clones, droids, and the Thought Bomb.

Halo: Halos, Flood, Forerunners.

I'm sorry, but I believe Star Wars wins. The halos are in the Halo universe, not the Star Wars universe so they have no affect.

  • 07.11.2011 4:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sarge sammy1997
Star Wars: The Force, SDs. SSDs, Death Stars, Sun Crushers, DarkSaber,Eye of Palpatine, Galaxy Gun, Star Forge,mass shadow generator,World Devastators,Yo'gand's Core,Dark Reaper, and of course, Clones, droids, and the Thought Bomb.

Halo: Halos, Flood, Forerunners.

I'm sorry, but I believe Star Wars wins. The halos are in the Halo universe, not the Star Wars universe so they have no affect.


You can move the Halos through slipspace...

  • 07.11.2011 4:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
I would say Halo would win if Forerunners or Flood shows up. (Remember, Forerunners or Flood isn't close to extinction at all, they simply took off.)

If it were to be conventional forces such as UNSC/Covenant vs Empire, then Empire would win.

And I noticed there's some miscalculations regarding on the ship grade weapons on star wars side. I find it doubtful when a destroyer is capable of leveling entire city with only turbolasers... If I remember right, recent movie (epsiode III) showed that a venator class destroyer vs CIS ship, and we only see is small explosions. Also, I recall a man who worked at Death star as primary weapon officer at laser room or something claimed that a destroyer wouldn't able to level the city. (I think it was Episode IV or VI, not sure.) So, that puts those calculations and "speculations" that were once claimed by several members here in cloud of doubtful and so-not believable.


As I recall a fleet of interdictor-Class Sith Destroyers leveled Taris, a SD sports a lot more turbolasers.

  • 07.11.2011 4:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Sarge sammy1997
Star Wars: The Force, SDs. SSDs, Death Stars, Sun Crushers, DarkSaber,Eye of Palpatine, Galaxy Gun, Star Forge,mass shadow generator,World Devastators,Yo'gand's Core,Dark Reaper, and of course, Clones, droids, and the Thought Bomb.

Halo: Halos, Flood, Forerunners.

I'm sorry, but I believe Star Wars wins. The halos are in the Halo universe, not the Star Wars universe so they have no affect.


You can move the Halos through slipspace...


Forgot about that. Closed hyperspace lanes?

[Edited on 07.11.2011 4:35 PM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 4:34 PM PDT