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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?
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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

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Hmm, this thread again....

As far as I understand the breakdown goes like this:

'Normal' Halo factions, ie the UNSC and Covenant, would be minor races in the Star Wars galaxy. They have a few interesting bits of tech, but really aren't up to the standards of any major player. Any major Star Wars faction would walk all over them in a straight up war, but they are probably mostly ignored unless they start something.

Star wars warships are superior on a one-for-one basis and have massively faster strategic FTL, any major SW faction also has a truely huge industrial base that the smaller factions of the UNSC and Covenant simply cannot match.
Advantage: Star Wars.


The Forerunner's observed capabilities are far greater than the UNSC, Covenant, or most normal SW races. They could likely impose the Mantle of Forerunner rule on the Star Wars galaxy through individually superior ships and a massive industrial capacity that rivals that of the Galactic Empire.

Individual superiority on virtually every level, massively capable AI coordination, and a plethora of superweapons gives the Forerunner a massive advantage here.
Advantage: Halo


The Flood, if not immediately contained, would eat the entire Star Wars galaxy.
Fast, ubiquitous, and hard to track FTL coupled with high galactic populations means the Star Wars galaxy is perfect as far as the Flood are concerned. Star Wars loses to the Flood unless they can contain the initial outbreak very quickly. That's just a numbers game there.



To summarise: UNSC/Covenant<SW major factions<Forerunner ecumene. And the Flood do their usual "eat everyone unless you catch us quick" thing.

[Edited on 08.31.2011 5:40 AM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 5:39 AM PDT

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I don't know if Halo fans touched on this but Halo would beat the Death Star, one Halo ring has the fire power to destroy a planet and partially destroy another. Death Star only has enough power for one planet at a time and even then has to charge. The Halo Array can destroy all life within three radii of the galactic center. So Halo Array trumps death star.

Spartan vs Jedi/Sith
A spartan could easily beat a Jedi with a sniper rifle since the Jedi are adept at fighting and defending against plasma bolts but I don't think the Jedi could defend against the smaller rounds of a UNSC sniper rifle which the Spartan has. The plasma bolts of StarWars are physically bigger than a UNSC bullet which would leave the Jedi at a disadvantage who is used to defending against bigger projectiles. Jedi could use the force but they would have to physically stop and leave themselves open to attack to use their powers, Spartans wouldn't just sit there and let the jedi have time to concentrate, the Spartan wouldn't give the Jedi time to concentrate to use their powers. In the Purge of Episode III of starwars, multiple troopers took out Jedi as they could a sith. There were 300 Spartan II's and countless Spartan III's all of which were deployed in a company of 14 or a team of seven. Heck, the Flood could totally wipe out the Jedi or Sith just by infecting one Jedi and have it turn into a brain form then a gravemind.

Forerunner vs Galactic Empire
Hands down Forerunner wins. The Galactic Empire doesn't have enough ships or advanced enough tech to even dent the Forerunner ships. The Forerunner could wipe out the Galactic Empire and could devolve the species in the StarWars Universe to lose the ability to use the Force or at least to the point where they have to rediscover it.

Droids vs Sentinels and Monitors
There is no comparison, R2-D2 would fry under a sentinel laser and so would the battle droids of the Sepratists. At any point the Sentinels were numbering in the quadrillions and could further since Sentinels are made every six seconds. Sentinels also could combine into larger, powerful sentinels.

StarWars vs Halo
Halo wins

  • 08.31.2011 5:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Tookurdignity
Halo Array trumps death star.


Agreed.


Spartan vs Jedi/Sith
A spartan could easily beat a Jedi with a sniper rifle since the Jedi are adept at fighting and defending against plasma bolts but I don't think the Jedi could defend against the smaller rounds of a UNSC sniper rifle which the Spartan has. The plasma bolts of StarWars are physically bigger than a UNSC bullet which would leave the Jedi at a disadvantage who is used to defending against bigger projectiles. Jedi could use the force but they would have to physically stop and leave themselves open to attack to use their powers, Spartans wouldn't just sit there and let the jedi have time to concentrate, the Spartan wouldn't give the Jedi time to concentrate to use their powers. In the Purge of Episode III of starwars, multiple troopers took out Jedi as they could a sith.


A war on this scale would depend on the strategic effectiveness of Fleet action, and industrial capability, not individual combatants.

That said, the argument that projectile weapons>jedi is a bit of a brain-bug, the only advantage of using bullets against a Jedi is he can't bat them back at you as easily. I've never seen any evidence that bullets are harder for the Jedi to intercept, and given they can throw up Force walls to defend themselves (and even their allies) from supersonic shrapnel, bullets should be well within the defensive capabilities of an average Jedi Knight.

There were 300 Spartan II's and countless Spartan III's all of which were deployed in a company of 14 or a team of seven.

And the Republic has between 100,000 and 10,000 Jedi at various points in time, it doesn't matter as individual combatants will make little differance.

Heck, the Flood could totally wipe out the Jedi or Sith just by infecting one Jedi and have it turn into a brain form then a gravemind.

That may not get him the Force, if that's what you mean?

Forerunner vs Galactic Empire
Hands down Forerunner wins.


Agreed, for reasons I stated above.


Droids vs Sentinels and Monitors
There is no comparison, R2-D2 would fry under a sentinel laser and so would the battle droids of the Sepratists.


And a YVH-series war droid could go through them as easily as the Cheif did, pointless comparison is pointless!

StarWars vs Halo
Halo wins


UNSC/Covenant<SW Major Factions<Forerunner
Flood are a wild card as usual.

  • 08.31.2011 6:05 AM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-

That said, the argument that projectile weapons>jedi is a bit of a brain-bug, the only advantage of using bullets against a Jedi is he can't bat them back at you as easily. I've never seen any evidence that bullets are harder for the Jedi to intercept, and given they can throw up Force walls to defend themselves (and even their allies) from supersonic shrapnel, bullets should be well within the defensive capabilities of an average Jedi Knight.

I agree with this, but given that a Spartan has reflexes on par with a Jedi/Sith and the ability to fight in any environment I would say a Spartan has the ability to beat a Jedi/Sith. The reasoning for this is because a Jedi/Sith, to use their force powers, has concentrate on the force and, if using a wide effect area force power, stop and concentrate harder. A Spartan wouldn't stop in the midst of battle knowing their enemy is doing something just to see what happens. A Spartan wouldn't relent in the attack and thus makes the jedi dependant upon their lightsaber which would tire them after a while thus giving the Spartan an opportunity for a deathblow.

And the Republic has between 100,000 and 10,000 Jedi at various points in time, it doesn't matter as individual combatants will make little differance.

Invidualt combatants would effect the field of battle. In a battle you have a team that fights initally in a skirmish or first contact, a company would feed said team with reinforcements and/or send a company or multiple companies to the threat to neutralize. In a team, you have a jedi knight and a squad of troopers or a jedi knight and their apprentice and MAYBE one or two troopers. In the first team of a jedi knight and a trooper squad, a team of spartans would easily take out the troopers and the jedi knight but with maybe one or two surivivors based on the individual combatant stats I placed above. Individual stats of an average Jedi and Spartan play heavily in the outcome of battle. Now if a Jedi Master, someone of Yoda's adeptability in the force, went against a Spartan in single combat then yes my model would be highly insufficient. But your statement on the numbers of Jedi, most of those would be younglings and padawan level jedi, then you have Jedi knights, then you have the council of masters which totaled up to twelve, if that many.

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Posted by: Tookurdignity

I agree with this, but given that a Spartan has reflexes on par with a Jedi/Sith and the ability to fight in any environment I would say a Spartan has the ability to beat a Jedi/Sith.


Oh I agree they have the ability, so long as a few things go right for the Spartan they should be able to take down an average Jedi Knight (not sure there really is such a thing as an average Jedi, given they all seem stronger/weaker in different areas of the Force) without too much of a problem.

The biggest variable is really the Jedi Knight, some are lousy in combat while others are incredibly deadly, some don't even have TK abilities while some can throw starships around.

The reasoning for this is because a Jedi/Sith, to use their force powers, has concentrate on the force and, if using a wide effect area force power, stop and concentrate harder.

It's not like a spell, they don't have to stand there and chant a mantra or anything, it requires a bit of concentration but isn't crippling. The Jedi Knight's training/combat experience would be the deciding factor on whether thay panic or not, or stand around making a target of themselves.

A Spartan wouldn't stop in the midst of battle knowing their enemy is doing something just to see what happens. A Spartan wouldn't relent in the attack and thus makes the jedi dependant upon their lightsaber which would tire them after a while thus giving the Spartan an opportunity for a deathblow.

If it's got to the point where the Jedi is cornered, standing in the one spot, purely defending, then the Jedi has already lost. Unless they are really really lucky or good (in which case why did they get themselves in that situation?).

A waiting gme would technically favour the Jedi, he has the Force to give him stamina and strength, and doesn't have to worry about running out of ammo, but I doubt any confrontation would last that long.

If the Spartans lay up an ambush (as well they might) and if the Jedi doesn't get a bad feeling about it and avoid the trap, then they pretty much have it in the bag. Best way to kill a Jedi is to take him by surprise, it's just hard to do that when they get occasional glimpses of the future and have as danger sense that often warns them off.


Invidualt combatants would effect the field of battle. In a battle you have a team that fights initally in a skirmish or first contact, a company would feed said team with reinforcements and/or send a company or multiple companies to the threat to neutralize.

With respect, you are missing my point.
If you have lost orbit you have effectively lost the world, in SW it is reasonable to resist for a few days as due to the high speed of Hyperdrives you could have a friendly fleet move to reinforce you in days or maybe even hours.
Whoever controls orbit has invulnerable spotters and artillery, as well as de-facto air superiority, any army that doesn't either go to insurgency-style hit and fade skirmishes, or hide out among the locals must surrender or be wiped out.
Even with a guerrilla war/insurgency tactics setup you do little real damage and stand to lose a lot of men (ask the Taliban...)

This kind of war depends primarily on fleet strategic victories, and logistics, not individual Spartans/Jedi.

Individual stats of an average Jedi and Spartan play heavily in the outcome of battle. Now if a Jedi Master, someone of Yoda's adeptability in the force, went against a Spartan in single combat then yes my model would be highly insufficient.

Agreed, while all Spartans are highly trained for war all Jedi are not. There are Jedi that would be so much swiss cheese against a Spartan, and Jedi that could probably take on several at once. Very variable.

But your statement on the numbers of Jedi, most of those would be younglings and padawan level jedi, then you have Jedi knights, then you have the council of masters which totaled up to twelve, if that many.

Most would be Knights, as that's the 'rank' most Jedi would be for the majority of their lives.
There are more than twelve masters, you have to be a master to serve on the Council, but being on the Council isn't a prerequisit to being a Master.
It also doesn't really reflect combat ability, it's just a measure of someone's understanding of the Force and position in the Order.
I mean a Knight who has seen a lot of combat is going to be a better warrior than a Master who has studied ancient Jedi literature in the Couruscant libraries for the last twenty years.

  • 08.31.2011 7:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: marhorn
It actually hurt my stomach to do this, but alas I had to go with Star Wars.

Look up a ship called the Sun Crusher from Star Wars...this thing has some serious firepower!

I know a lot about Halo....but boy do I know lots and lots and lots about Star Wars!

Close call though! (anyone who knows me, knows how much this compliments Halo)



Agreed

  • 08.31.2011 8:06 AM PDT

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They use completely different types of weapons, so saying Star Wars has better weapons doesn't really work (maybe in the case of the humans, but not for the covenant).

Also, who's fighting who? Because if you put a few flood here and there, star wars is going to get annihilated.

  • 08.31.2011 9:21 AM PDT
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I say they're uncomparable.

  • 08.31.2011 9:30 AM PDT

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Star Wars. I love Halo, but c'mon...

  • 08.31.2011 10:56 AM PDT

Neither, Super Mario universe wins.

  • 08.31.2011 11:09 AM PDT

Fin5434p you forgot about the Infinite Empire and the Celestials
UNSC/Covenant<SW Major factions<Foreruner ecumene<Flood=Deathtroopers<Infinite Empire<Precursors=Celestials<Force
Even if you can defeat the Celestials the Force cannot be destroyed and the Force will always support the SW universe and pwn Halo. plus all the Halo fans are comparing the Empire to the Forerunners which isn't fair and they never address the God-factions of SW that could pwn the Forerunners. anyone feel the same?

Oh and Jedi/Sith>Spartans



[Edited on 08.31.2011 11:48 AM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 11:45 AM PDT

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What makes you say they could destroy the forerunners and the precursors?

  • 08.31.2011 12:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Red Bot 6
Fin5434p you forgot about the Infinite Empire and the Celestials


No.
I did not, I chose not to include them, because they are ;

(a): Largely unquantified in capability (though from what we know of the Rakatan Infinite Empire the Forerunners would still hold an overwhelming advantage).

(b): Not widely known about, so not what people mean when they say "star wars".

(c): Really lame. I guess the Rakata get a pass because KOTOR was fun, but the celestial stuff is just lame, not to mention stealing off Rakata stuff (Centrepoint was implied to be Rakatan). Star wars didn't need steriotypical advanced alien #1168 added in...

Even if you can defeat the Celestials the Force cannot be destroyed and the Force will always support the SW universe and pwn Halo.

I find your lack of supporting evidence... Disturbing.... Captain RedBot.

plus all the Halo fans are comparing the Empire to the Forerunners which isn't fair and they never address the God-factions of SW that could pwn the Forerunners. anyone feel the same?

Comparing the Empire to the UNSC isn't fair either, this entire topic is a great mismatch, not sure how so many people have missed that to be honest...

Oh and Jedi/Sith>Spartans


Sigh.

Read my earlier post.

It's even on this page.

  • 08.31.2011 12:36 PM PDT
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Uriel Septim came to me in a dream and started peeing in my face, whispering "turn on the the internets..."

umm, if you try to deflect a bullet with a laser the bulllet would melt in the laser and hit that jedi/sith.
lightsabers only deflect other lasers, like the weapons in star wars or covenant weapons.
UNSC weapons would own a lightsaber

  • 08.31.2011 1:06 PM PDT

halo ring vs death star
halo ring could destroy death star as death star could destroy it it should be a tie but the ring has far more destructive power even if only on organic life at long range.

SPARTAN vs jedi

UNSC ship vs Star wars cruiser
the mac would do some heavy damage but the UNSC would probably lose just like against covenant cruiser

Covenant cruiser vs Star wars cruiser
same type of ammo (plama vs lasers) but a glassing beam would most likely do more damage. i think a super carrier or flagship would definately win

UNSC vs. rebels
in terms of weapons UNSC are inferior. armor UNSC might have advantage from fighting covenant. combat tactics are probably superior too.

ODST vs clones
UNSC would definately have superior armor in this case.

Elites vs sith
all comes down to if a stick of plasma could beat a stick of light and if the stick of light could deflect or disperse the plasma
brutes vs sith
sith would win unless brutes used explosives and surprise.

brutes vs clones
brutes would win because of how easily they could kill clones with any of their weapons

prophet vs palpatine
prophet gun vs force lightning depends on who shot first

chief vs obi wan or anakin
definate win vs anakin depends on range vs obi-wan. would a SPARTAN sheld hold up against a lightsaber if they couldn't against a plasma sword?
6 vs anakin or luke
win against luke probaable win against anakin.

i remembered that lasers are different than plasma but i don't feel like changing it. the effects are the same though according to the series'

[Edited on 08.31.2011 1:39 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 1:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: symz98
umm, if you try to deflect a bullet with a laser the bulllet would melt in the laser and hit that jedi/sith.


It's a good thing lightsabers aren't lasers then isn't it?
The bullet would be disintegrated, like most objects we see being hit by a lightsaber's beam. Disintegration in the beam, heating effects in the surrounding area.

lightsabers only deflect other lasers,

Blasters aren't lasers either.

like the weapons in star wars or covenant weapons.

Covenant weapons (apart from ship-mounted pulse lasers) aren't lasers.

UNSC weapons would own a lightsaber

Well, you can't use it to bounce the bullet back like you can with a blaster bolt, but it should still be fine as a defence.





Posted by: Chaoscoolperson
This is what we are meant to find out. discuss.


You aren't the OP, and those questions either have really obvious answers or need more clarification.

[Edited on 08.31.2011 1:34 PM PDT]

  • 08.31.2011 1:25 PM PDT


Posted by: symz98
umm, if you try to deflect a bullet with a laser the bulllet would melt in the laser and hit that jedi/sith.
lightsabers only deflect other lasers, like the weapons in star wars or covenant weapons.
UNSC weapons would own a lightsaber


A bullet would be vaporized upon hitting a lightsaber blade. Unless you are trying to tell me a beam of plasma which cuts nearly everything can't instantly destroy a small bullet.

Star Wars weapons are actually projectiles and not 'lasers'.

  • 08.31.2011 1:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Fin5434p


Posted by: Chaoscoolperson
This is what we are meant to find out. discuss.


You aren't the OP, and those questions either have really obvious answers or need more clarification.


fine i answered my own questions and i wasn't trying to be rude or anything.

  • 08.31.2011 1:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chaoscoolperson

Posted by: Fin5434p


Posted by: Chaoscoolperson
This is what we are meant to find out. discuss.


You aren't the OP, and those questions either have really obvious answers or need more clarification.


fine i answered my own questions and i wasn't trying to be rude or anything.


My apologies, I did come off as quite rude there.

I'll look at your post again.


Edit below:


Posted by: Chaoscoolperson
halo ring vs death star
halo ring could destroy death star as death star could destroy it it should be a tie but the ring has far more destructive power even if only on organic life at long range.


The Halo has a huge range advantage, it also has an extensive set of more conventional weapons, as well as trillions of fighter-drones. It would not be able to withstand a Death Star's main gun, and likely even the Death Star's thousands of Turbolaser emplacements could wreck it in short order. I doubt it would get the chance to close to range though.

SPARTAN vs jedi
As mentioned, depends on the Jedi.

UNSC ship vs Star wars cruiser
the mac would do some heavy damage but the UNSC would probably lose just like against covenant cruiser


What ships?

In general the SW ships would far outclass their UNSC equvalents in power generation, shield strength(they have em), weapon energy output, and FTL/strategic speed.

If you meant "Marathon-Class vs Tartan patrol cruiser" then the marathon wins by running it over ;)

Covenant cruiser vs Star wars cruiser
same type of ammo (plama vs lasers) but a glassing beam would most likely do more damage. i think a super carrier or flagship would definately win


What ships?
As above re things in their class, the official numbers for SW vessels are pretty high, The datapads in Reach and halsey's journal have kinda nerfed Covenant capability.

UNSC vs. rebels
in terms of weapons UNSC are inferior. armor UNSC might have advantage from fighting covenant. combat tactics are probably superior too.


Depends on the scenario, the Rebels, due to their organisation's nature have troops ranging from poor dirt farmers with ancient guns to elite commandos with really high tech gear like personal energy shields.

ODST vs clones
UNSC would definately have superior armor in this case.


On the contrary, clone/stormtrooper armour is nearly bulletproof, and their blasters really pack a punch. The ODST are far better trained though.

Elites vs sith
all comes down to if a stick of plasma could beat a stick of light and if the stick of light could deflect or disperse the plasma


There aren't that many Sith, but one-on-one they should win most battles, the Elites have no defence against the old force-choke trick. Same for brutes.

brutes vs clones
brutes would win because of how easily they could kill clones with any of their weapons


They'd be best sticking to plasma weapons, brute projectile weapons are very primitive and would likely be combat-ineffective against Clonetrooper armour, which is designed to protect the wearer against lots of very fast shrapnel.

prophet vs palpatine
prophet gun vs force lightning depends on who shot first


This is unfair on the prophet, Palpatine crushes the prophet and his chair as easily as he does the senate seats.

chief vs obi wan or anakin
definate win vs anakin depends on range vs obi-wan. would a SPARTAN sheld hold up against a lightsaber if they couldn't against a plasma sword?


What ages?
If it's Knight Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin then Obi-Wan may give him some trouble, but probably a win for the Chief more often than not.
If it's Master Obi-Wan and Knight Anakin then I think the Chief would be lucky to walk away, together those guys can take on armies, and they are two of the most combat-experienced
and powerful Jedi in the Order.

6 vs anakin or luke
win against luke probaable win against anakin.


At what point in their careers would this take place?



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  • 08.31.2011 1:53 PM PDT

I say Halo is better because Halo could destroy everything.

  • 08.31.2011 2:09 PM PDT

I am the God Emprah of Mankind.

Deal with it.

Posted by: Templar 682
I say Halo is better because Halo could destroy everything.

But the Death Star could destroy a Halo before it fires.

  • 08.31.2011 2:15 PM PDT

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  • 08.31.2011 2:17 PM PDT

There's several other Halos. There's only like 2 death stars as far as I know.
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Posted by: Templar 682
I say Halo is better because Halo could destroy everything.

But the Death Star could destroy a Halo before it fires.

  • 08.31.2011 2:39 PM PDT

Well, I think that Halo would triumph over the Star Wars Universe. Sure the major factions would easily defeat the UNSC and The Covenant (although The Covenant would put up a decent fight in my eyes.) Then we have the Forerunners, with the Halo installations, their brilliant understanding of genetics etc, heck their smallest class of ship was called a Planet Breaker.
Their infantry would be better than any of the Star Wars major factions. Hard light weapons.

Sure Star Wars has the Death Star, Executor Class Star Destroyers etc but weve seen how easly they were destroyed in the films. And yes, there is the Force but even the Jedi fell rather quickly in my opinion to the Clones.

And The Flood would have a freakin' field day on the Clones, the more they make, the more food for The Flood.

No point bringing in the Percursors, not enough is known about them to even take some educated guesses.

~Trecker

  • 08.31.2011 2:48 PM PDT