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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
A Forerunner Sentinel in Origins I had a weapon calculated at 10 gigatons and so on.


And how was this figured out? Please explain.

  • 05.05.2011 4:19 PM PDT

I love how you assume the Rings would virtually destroy the Empire. False. The Empire have a failsafe plan for anything similar to that.

The plan would basically be set once they have detected several specialized units deceased and thus launch the plan. The plan would basically be the Droids and security systems already on board will kick in and the ships will lock down and send a distress signal back to the Star Wars Galaxy.

The Rings would cause nothing but harm only the milky way, it's suicide for the Forerunner unless they can make it to the shield worlds.

This would cause a new Imperial fleet to show up, which would have information based on what happened and the enemy weaponry, thus giving them time to create a counter for their weaponry and protection. By this time the Empire would certainly know of the rings and their power, and the new ships would come in and destroy the ARK or at least a few rings using droid controlled ships (if they didn't know about the rings already and had destroyed at least a few, seeing how they aren't really superweapons so much as an MAD device), which honestly wouldn't take them very long since the ARK is located exactly where they suspect it would be.

HyperSpace is also much faster than that of Coveant slipspace speed, over a thousand fold. I have no idea how fast Forerunner slipspace if anyone could give me that information.

Empire battletroops may seem a bit off in the Movies, but their true nature is shown in the recent prequels. There are so many it's impossible to count. With estimates in the tens of quadrillions with many more still being made.

The number of Forerunner ships is big, yes, but numbers do not always win. A small hit and run on the Ark would be enough, a couple trillion Star Destroyer II ships would be enough.

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Posted by: mojeda101
I love how you assume the Rings would virtually destroy the Empire. False. The Empire have a failsafe plan for anything similar to that.

The plan would basically be set once they have detected several specialized units deceased and thus launch the plan. The plan would basically be the Droids and security systems already on board will kick in and the ships will lock down and send a distress signal back to the Star Wars Galaxy.

The Rings would cause nothing but harm only the milky way, it's suicide for the Forerunner unless they can make it to the shield worlds.

This would cause a new Imperial fleet to show up, which would have information based on what happened and the enemy weaponry, thus giving them time to create a counter for their weaponry and protection. By this time the Empire would certainly know of the rings and their power, and the new ships would come in and destroy the ARK or at least a few rings using droid controlled ships (if they didn't know about the rings already and had destroyed at least a few, seeing how they aren't really superweapons so much as an MAD device), which honestly wouldn't take them very long since the ARK is located exactly where they suspect it would be.

HyperSpace is also much faster than that of Coveant slipspace speed, over a thousand fold. I have no idea how fast Forerunner slipspace if anyone could give me that information.

Empire battletroops may seem a bit off in the Movies, but their true nature is shown in the recent prequels. There are so many it's impossible to count. With estimates in the tens of quadrillions with many more still being made.

The number of Forerunner ships is big, yes, but numbers do not always win. A small hit and run on the Ark would be enough, a couple trillion Star Destroyer II ships would be enough.

No, numbers don't always win. But that's where batcrap insane firepower succeeds. You speak of a couple trillion Star Destroyers. Proof that the Empire has fielded such a fleet, please.

GE Infantry get pwned by Prometheans. This has been discussed already.

Forerunner ships travel at great magnitudes of .c. If you would look at the link provided, and ignore Episky's rambling...

Counter for Forerunner weaponry? Good lord, man... Entire swarms of SSDs are being shot from the sky, and you think that the GE has some sort of godshield hidden away somewhere?

  • 05.05.2011 8:17 PM PDT

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Wookiepedia said that at the highest point, the empire managed a couple millions of ships.
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  • 05.05.2011 8:42 PM PDT

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LOL! The Covenant alone can defeat the whole Star Wars universe.

nuff said.


On the ground would win the Covenant really easy, increase -blam!- rate of the Grunts, while the Elites, Brutes, Hunters and Jackals attack. No chance against those clones and droids...seriously...

1 Elite can manage like 4 of those clone troopers and like 7 droids. Clone troopers has no energy shields, Elites and Brutes does. Hunters are a nightmare for any ground Starwars force.

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  • 05.05.2011 9:21 PM PDT
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Apples vs Oranges, who wins?

On a side note: Precursor structures cannot be destroyed by traditional force, so one Precursor vessel would lay waste to the entire SW universe.

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  • 05.05.2011 9:37 PM PDT

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Apples vs Oranges, who wins?

On a side note: Precursor structures cannot be destroyed by traditional force, so one Precursor vessel would lay waste to the entire SW universe.


That makes me wonder: How would prec tech be affected by black holes? Would they just get sucked in or...?

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Okay, try this: how does any amount of power destroy something that cannot be destroyed? The only way to stop the Precursors is to either be one of them or become a God (which results in the eternal conundrum paradox).

So now you're saying that Star Wars' rules apply to Halo as well?

Okay, imagine the Gravemind with full control over the Force. Or the Precursors with control over it.

See you can't just say that any kind of source of limitless knowledge applies to knowledge on Halo as well simply because you say it can. It gives it the full knowledge of the SW universe; no where in the official canon is Halo ever mentioned. In fact, Earth doesn't even officially exist in SW.


I assume that both haloverse's milky way and SW's milky way get somehow close to each other so that traveling between them for haloverse's and SW's forces is possible. When they both would be in same ''universe'' together, I then assume, that then PoK would provide all possible information about haloverse.

This is just my theory about how it would work.

About that light tech stuff and prec tech, yes, Jedi or Sith would be unable to harm them. But with knowledge about Prec tech, SW could contruct halos or certain other weapons that would affect Precs.

About how SW would damage these light tech things, I have no idea. Is it even told in Cryptum how such buildings are destroyed?

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  • 05.05.2011 9:41 PM PDT

Posted by: MasterSin
LOL! The Covenant alone can defeat the whole Star Wars universe.

nuff said.


On the ground would win the Covenant really easy, increase -blam!- rate of the Grunts, while the Elites, Brutes, Hunters and Jackals attack. No chance against those clones and droids...seriously...

1 Elite can manage like 4 of those clone troopers and like 7 droids. Clone troopers has no energy shields, Elites and Brutes does. Hunters are a nightmare for any ground Starwars force.


False. Empire can defeat them with ease. Firstly they have superior weaponry AND numbers. Much faster and more precise Hyperspace and shields that could withstand 2 SMAC station shots at the same time before recharging to full strength before returning to enough power to survive another 2 Slugs.

18 Billion troops in the entire covenant put them pretty tiny compared to the Empire, which during the Clone Wars alone had approximately 10 quadrillion clones. (The ICS puts the Droid army in the quintillions and count dooku says the droids outnumber the clones by 100 to 1) the Stormtroopers outnumber the clones. The old 3,000,000 clone figure of Karen Traviss was retconned long ago, as was her entire take on Mandalorian culture, very little of her work is still canon due to her misconduct.

Weaponry is very easily measured.

An AT-AT's weapons are considerably more powerful than ANY Covenant ground vehicle ten fold, a Super Scarab could be downed by an SPHA-T or the newer, smaller and just as powerful SPMA-Ts.

Best way to gauge survivability of Covenant ships is to look at what kinds of firepower they have withstood from the UNSC and what they have not.

The MAC gun on UNSC ships is generally said to be equivalent to 1.17 teratons of tnt, or 1.17% the impact force of the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. the Pillar of autumn can fire 3 slugs on one charge, the time it takes to charge is unknown but these 3 shots can down the shields of nearly any covenant ship.

The SMAC gun on orbital defense platforms are nearly 10x stronger than the shipboard variant, Cairo Station's gun had a firepower of 9.98 teratons, and can be observed taking 15 seconds between shots, these shots can perforate nearly any fully shielded covenant ship and heavily damage a Covenant supercarrier.

These give us upper limits on what Covenant ships can handle, what they can dish out is less important as long as they can withstand at least 1 salvo from another ship of the same class as themselves.

An Acclamator class assault ship from the clone wars, which carries over 16,000 troops and hundreds of support vehicles such as AT-TEs (which would slaughter Scarabs at range but are a bit more evenly matched, they can also be airdroped like Scarabs rather than the slower and heavier AT-ATs) and SPHA-T which in spite of being ground artillery carry similar levels of firepower as an SMAC.

The Acclamator's turbolasers carry 200 gigatons each, and can fire roughly 30-60 shots a minute, Acclamator shields can withstand 16.7 teratons of force second at peak efficiency, so it would take 2 Cairo stations to hit it simultaneously in order to penetrate, if the shots are so much as a split-second apart the Acclamator will withstand it but it's shields will feel the strain.

An Imperial II class star destroyer's firepower is never stated however it can be calculated. The ROTS:ICS states that all true warships can put their firepower into their weapons systems, comparing the reactor generation and fuel consumption of the Acclamator and Venator and scaling that to the Imperial II's reactor size. and assuming the Imperial II uses 1/3rd of it's power for weapons, shields and engines we are looking at 800 Teratons a second that it can dish out and take, the shields are so resilient that they will not fail for over half an hour even when being pounded by another ISD2.

An Imperial II Class Star Destroyer has a firepower of roughly 740,000,000 megatons per second spread across 44 turrets for an average of 17,000,000 megatons per second per gun.

Covenant Slipspace can cover 912 light years a day.
Imperial Hyperdrive can cover 120,000 light years a day.

The Covenant Navy has under ten thousand ships.
The Imperial Navy has Millions.

The Elite plasma weapon's energy per fully charged shot is roughly the same as an E-11 blaster on medium setting, on Maximum power the E-11 becomes like a full auto brute-shot complete with the aoe.

A small burst would kill an Elite before he saw it coming.

An Imperial II Star Destroyer has 8 main octuple barreled guns, but it has 36 other turbolasers scattered across it's surface, and that doesn't include the 100+ point defense guns.

An SMAC like the kind on Cairo Station has 9x the firepower of a regular shipboard MAC, and can punch through nearly any covenant ship and come out the other side, and into another covenant ship if there is one behind it.

While the firepower of each individual Turbolaser on an Imperial II is unknown, the overall firepower can be determined using it's reactor power, which is 9,280,000,000,000 terawatts.

The Venator entry in the Cross sections books states that any true warship in star wars can redirect all of it's reactor power to the weapons if necessary, however we will assume it normally applies 1/3rd of this power to weapons, with the other 2/3rds of power being distributed amongst shields and engines.

This means that an ISDII can dish out roughly 740,000,000 megatons per second spread across it's guns.

put another way, that's 50,000,000,000x the power of hiroshima every second.

If the regular MAC guns have a firing rate similar to Cairo Station, than a Turbolaser on an ISDII has roughly 250,000x the firepower of a MAC gun on average and 83,000x the firepower of the pillar of autumn type, multiplied by 44 for each of the ISDIIs.

It takes the Covenant an entire fleet to glass a planet, a single star destroyer can achieve that in less time.

ISDII shields are designed to be able to withstand a full half an hour of another ISDII pounding the hell out of em with everything it's got.

Turbolasers can track ships up to 180,000,000 km away (roughly 10 light minutes) so their range is an order of magnitude higher.

Hyperdrive is faster than Covenant Slipspace, Covenant ships can reach 912 light years per day but Hyperdrive can travel 100,000 light years per day if not faster depending on the grade and route.

All took under 15 minutes of research my friend.

TL:DR: "A shipboard MAC gun is roughly 50,000 megatons per shot, than it is only 1/4 the strength of a Turbolaser shot from an Acclamator, which has 12 guns and has a firing rate of roughly 30-60 shots per minute with a range of 180,000,000km Meanwhile the MAC Gun is much weaker, shorter range and much lower rate of fire.

Turbolaser > MAC
Empire Shields > Covenant Shields
Empire Numbers > Covenant Numbers
Empire Weaponry > Covenant Weaponry
Hyperspace > Slipspace

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  • 05.05.2011 9:42 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin
LOL! The Covenant alone can defeat the whole Star Wars universe.


I see nothing backing that up.

  • 05.05.2011 9:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterSin
LOL! The Covenant alone can defeat the whole Star Wars universe.


I see nothing backing that up.


What I just put destroys what he said.

  • 05.05.2011 9:44 PM PDT

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Counter for Forerunner weaponry? Good lord, man... Entire swarms of SSDs are being shot from the sky, and you think that the GE has some sort of godshield hidden away somewhere?


Of course, The Empire has done it in every situation from the Clone Wars to the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. The Rebellion has been countered, thus why they were never so big, they had bases on Yavin IV, destroyed, Hoth, destroyed. They had to resort to a mobile convoy which the Empire had full aware of it's location. The emperor never had interest, he didn't seem them a threat. Mistaken of course. You can't fight something with the same weaponry and expect to counter it.

Although my point stands, we have countered before, with the information we have received from the first scout ships we would instantly attempt to come with with a weakness and counter to such weaponry, they have done it before, they will do it again.



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Counter for Forerunner weaponry? Good lord, man... Entire swarms of SSDs are being shot from the sky, and you think that the GE has some sort of godshield hidden away somewhere?


Of course, The Empire has done it in every situation from the Clone Wars to the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. The Rebellion has been countered, thus why they were never so big, they had bases on Yavin IV, destroyed, Hoth, destroyed. They had to resort to a mobile convoy which the Empire had full aware of it's location.
Big difference between a patchwork rebellion and a full-fledged empire who plays ping-pong with planets for a reason that amounts to "Because we [REDACTED] can".

Although my point stands, we have countered before, with the information we have received from the first scout ships we would instantly attempt to come with with a weakness and counter to such weaponry, they have done it before, they will do it again.


See above.
Big tech gap this time around. You'll probably argue that the GE could 1v1 the Xeelee and win. I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

There would be nothing left of the scout ships, they probably would be wasted before they could get off a transmission. Forerunners are CULTURE LEVEL, can't you get that through your head? They could build a [REDACTED] TARDIS if they wanted!

  • 05.05.2011 10:10 PM PDT

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen

There would be nothing left of the scout ships, they probably would be wasted before they could get off a transmission. Forerunners are CULTURE LEVEL, can't you get that through your head? They could build a [REDACTED] TARDIS if they wanted!


That isn't how it works, it's an automatic system. The Empire would most likely send maybe around 50 Star Destroyers, with a couple Nebulon B Frigates and a few Praetor battleships and possibly a Procurator and even a Galaxy Gun if needed.

If one ship was destroyed, the others would instantly get the information of such and automatically send it to the homeland.

Just throwing it out there. Any Imperial ship could be equipped with an Interplanetary Ion Cannon, which is specially designed to target planets at interstellar ranges, and its ion beams could vaporize a terrestrial planet's atmosphere leaving all those on it to burn and choke.

Sentinels wouldn't fare to be much a problem to the ground or space forces thanks to a Electro-proton bomb which is especially made to target any powered enemy machines. Basically an EMP although with a much broader approach.

Oh, and if you were curious, the Death star isn't the only thing to destroy a Planet that the Empire has, they have countless superweapons such as the Tarkin, Eclipse, Galaxy Gun, Planet Killer, Sovereign, World Devastator, and countless Super Star Destroyers.

You are indeed a challenging foe. Read what I have put above.

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  • 05.05.2011 10:24 PM PDT

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Honestly I would say the only people with any chance would be the Covenant, and they are still at a huge disadvantage in terms of man-man combat (lesser technology). Not to mention in Star Wars there is evidence of advanced AI being used plentifully while the Covenant pretty much lack it altogether. The UNSC just has too big of a technological gap. Laser weaponry and shielding would stop their missiles cold and there is no guarantee that a MAC round would make it anywhere with the amount of energy weapon firepower present on ships like Star Destroyers and other large ships.

  • 05.05.2011 10:31 PM PDT

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Honestly I would say the only people with any chance would be the Covenant, and they are still at a huge disadvantage in terms of man-man combat (lesser technology). Not to mention in Star Wars there is evidence of advanced AI being used plentifully while the Covenant pretty much lack it altogether. The UNSC just has too big of a technological gap. Laser weaponry and shielding would stop their missiles cold and there is no guarantee that a MAC round would make it anywhere with the amount of energy weapon firepower present on ships like Star Destroyers and other large ships.


Read what I put above on this page. I explained the firepower of the weaponry and how much they could withstand. Not even the Covenant would last.

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There would be nothing left of the scout ships, they probably would be wasted before they could get off a transmission. Forerunners are CULTURE LEVEL, can't you get that through your head? They could build a [REDACTED] TARDIS if they wanted!


That isn't how it works, it's an automatic system. The Empire would most likely send maybe around 50 Star Destroyers, with a couple Nebulon B Frigates and a few Praetor battleships and possibly a Procurator and even a Galaxy Gun if needed.

If one ship was destroyed, the others would instantly get the information of such and automatically send it to the homeland.
How good is SW AI tech? Cortana is considered less than an abacus to the Forerunners. If SW AIs are anything like Cortana tech, the ancillas would have a field day.

Just throwing it out there. Any Imperial ship could be equipped with an Interplanetary Ion Cannon, which is specially designed to target planets at interstellar ranges, and its ion beams could vaporize a terrestrial planet's atmosphere leaving all those on it to burn and choke.


Forerunner civilians go around in combat suits at least six orders of magnitude higher than MJOLNIR MKIV armor. Lack of atmosphere won't faze them, they'll just be wondering why Kitty keeled over and died. And why there are dead birds lining the streets.

Sentinels wouldn't fare to be much a problem to the ground or space forces thanks to a Electro-proton bomb which is especially made to target any powered enemy machines. Basically an EMP although with a much broader approach. And how fast can this EMP fire? Every six seconds, a new Onyx sentinel is made. And that's from a severely undersized production facility. Still you're forgetting about the Warrior-Servants.

Oh, and if you were curious, the Death star isn't the only thing to destroy a Planet that the Empire has, they have countless superweapons such as the Tarkin, Eclipse, Galaxy Gun, Planet Killer, Sovereign, World Devastator, and countless Super Star Destroyers.

When the smallest/weakest Forerunner warship is called a Planet Breaker... well...

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Honestly I would say the only people with any chance would be the Covenant, and they are still at a huge disadvantage in terms of man-man combat (lesser technology). Not to mention in Star Wars there is evidence of advanced AI being used plentifully while the Covenant pretty much lack it altogether. The UNSC just has too big of a technological gap. Laser weaponry and shielding would stop their missiles cold and there is no guarantee that a MAC round would make it anywhere with the amount of energy weapon firepower present on ships like Star Destroyers and other large ships.

Are you reading anything I have posted? The Forerunners take this. Factpile agrees. Spacebattles agrees.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.


[/quote]The old 3,000,000 clone figure of Karen Traviss was retconned long ago, as was her entire take on Mandalorian culture, very little of her work is still canon due to her misconduct.
[/quote]
Which sucks, cause her books were ten times better than any of the crap they put out now. Since when is Mandalore been peaceful, I mean really? I loved the characters in those books and they just when't and ruined them. But I guess thats Star Wars for you.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Honestly I would say the only people with any chance would be the Covenant, and they are still at a huge disadvantage in terms of man-man combat (lesser technology). Not to mention in Star Wars there is evidence of advanced AI being used plentifully while the Covenant pretty much lack it altogether. The UNSC just has too big of a technological gap. Laser weaponry and shielding would stop their missiles cold and there is no guarantee that a MAC round would make it anywhere with the amount of energy weapon firepower present on ships like Star Destroyers and other large ships.

Are you reading anything I have posted? The Forerunners take this. Factpile agrees. Spacebattles agrees.

Yeah but you way over estimated every thing, so I think nobody is taking you seriously. I mean, a Promethean can not just "slag" an entire continent when ever he or she wishes.

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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Honestly I would say the only people with any chance would be the Covenant, and they are still at a huge disadvantage in terms of man-man combat (lesser technology). Not to mention in Star Wars there is evidence of advanced AI being used plentifully while the Covenant pretty much lack it altogether. The UNSC just has too big of a technological gap. Laser weaponry and shielding would stop their missiles cold and there is no guarantee that a MAC round would make it anywhere with the amount of energy weapon firepower present on ships like Star Destroyers and other large ships.


Read what I put above on this page. I explained the firepower of the weaponry and how much they could withstand. Not even the Covenant would last.

They were kinda over powered, so I don't think the Halo fanboys are listening.

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Honestly I would say the only people with any chance would be the Covenant, and they are still at a huge disadvantage in terms of man-man combat (lesser technology). Not to mention in Star Wars there is evidence of advanced AI being used plentifully while the Covenant pretty much lack it altogether. The UNSC just has too big of a technological gap. Laser weaponry and shielding would stop their missiles cold and there is no guarantee that a MAC round would make it anywhere with the amount of energy weapon firepower present on ships like Star Destroyers and other large ships.

Are you reading anything I have posted? The Forerunners take this. Factpile agrees. Spacebattles agrees.

Yeah but you way over estimated every thing, so I think nobody is taking you seriously. I mean, a Promethean can not just "slag" an entire continent when ever he or she wishes.

That's what I took the description in the book to mean. Sorry.

  • 05.06.2011 12:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Are you reading anything I have posted? The Forerunners take this. Factpile agrees. Spacebattles agrees.

Well I would argue that if we are talking about Halo, this would be the UNSC/Covenant from the Halo fiction. Unless you want to make it SW vs. Forerunners. That's entirely different. But, IMO, it is only fair to make it the UNSC/Covenant. Using an ancient, super-advanced race to just say "i win" is the equivalent of making Star Wars fight off those who created the stargates in Stargate.

  • 05.06.2011 1:39 AM PDT


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Weaponry hasn't been explored far enough in the Halo universe to know what the Forerunner could do to the Empire but we do know the Forerunner fell to the Flood and the Empire could easily expel the vermin before it was too late.[/quote]
You just derped. HARD. A single Promethean can slag entire continents with a single shot. And that's one person in a Forerunner battlesuit. When a small contingent of Forerunner marines destroy planets... Stormtroopers are going to fall faster than they can be produced. I'm waiting for Cryptum 2/3 to explain HOW the Forerunners lost to the Flood.[/quote]

I'm just sorry, but I call that bull-blam!- and if it's true, then forerunners get thrown out of the window because they are being used as "lulzIwin!1!1!1"[/quote]
LOL. Read Cryptum. It explains everything. The Forerunners are peaceful...until they're provoked. Then everything goes to hell. Cryptum took the Forerunners and threw them up the technological ladder to the level of the Culture.
Hell, they could build a TARDIS if they wanted to.[/quote]
Forerunner infantry weapons can not slag continents. I think the author meant that the weapons wielded by the two races (forerunner and human) were so powerful that continuous combat of the period of several hours pretty much destroyed the continents surface.


That scene from Cryptum where the Forerunners do this was simply to put down a rebellion, not to fight a war. It was finished in a few hours. The battle was fought with fighter craft, aerial artillery turrets and infantry (supposedly). The entire planet was ravaged beyond recognition.

Now consider this. The Stardestroyer.net calculaor puts the detonation of the PoA at about 10 petatons based on the depiction in Halo 2. The Flood book states the Ring was hardly damaged at all by the explosion, that only a 5 kilometer crater was gouged. The Ring was destroyed by the centrifuges getting thrown of balance, resulting on the internal stress of this massive structure ripping itself apart.

In Cryptum, a Ring is shot by a Forerunner fortress with only a few shots, where deep canyon like gouges are torn into the side, resulting in the Ring becoming obliterated. This happens twice.

Yes but you have to remember that those were not the same rings featured in the Halo games, they were prototypes and if Forerunner weapons and equipment evolve the way we think they do, then the second set of rings would be far more powerful. Also, ten petatons would destroy a Jupiter sized planet. Theres no need for a weapon of that magnitude, as even if the forerunners could hypothetically create shields to withstand such an impact, the force of the impact alone would vaporise the ship underneath the shield.
Also, the planet Charum Hakkor was not destroyed in battle but instead by the firing of one of the original Halo rings on low power. The planet was heavily damaged by the combination of Human and Forerunner weapons, yes, but it was not destroyed an rendered uninhabitable.


Haqlo was never fired on Hakkor.....or even built yet.

I'm talking about the battle of the Prophet homeworld.

See the Forerunners hated with all their hearts anyone who dared offend them. Their weapons were constructed to fit the role of extermination. Which is why they're so -blam!- ing powerful.

Edit: have to go for now.

First of all, don't you remember the point in the book were Didact and Born are talking about the firing off the Halo on Charum Hakkor?
And I didn't realize you meant the San Shyuum battle. Yes that was a primarily infantry battle but the Forerunners were not able to defeat the Prophets until the firing of the Halo ring, so they mustn't have been able to do that much damage, not to mention equipping an infantry unit with a weapon the power of which you are stating is silly, as all it would do is lead to the biggest friendly fire incident in history.


I never said the infantry could do that, I said they used starfighters and aerial turrets. Infantry was implied based on it not being a space battle.

And it is true: Born did state that the battle was not entirely one sided, but he did say that, for all intents and purposes, the Forerunners ripped them a new one. Halo was simply used as punishment for the Prophet's crimes against the Mantle.

I'm not sure I understand the point in saying Halo saved the Forerunners the battle. First off it didn't, it merely ended it and made the planet a taboo. And second, the Prophets had been stockpiling Forerunner weapons, apparently for years, in case the need arose to fight their old enemy again. Fighting against the Forerunners with their own weapons isn't that impressive.

Same can be said for the as of yet unconfirmed Forerunners vs Precursor war. With a transgalactic power, the influence of the Precursors was obviously everywhere. Its not hard to believe the Forerunners gained access to Precursor weapons (the power of which I can scarcely imagine).

  • 05.06.2011 5:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
A Forerunner Sentinel in Origins I had a weapon calculated at 10 gigatons and so on.


And how was this figured out? Please explain.


It isn't a primary point. They call it the Super Sentinel; the ten gigs was calculated based around the size of the explosion visible from space, not to be taken without a grain of salt. It was likely artistic license. But it did destroy a city with one shot, but ten gigs is questionable.

  • 05.06.2011 5:30 AM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: mojeda101
I love how you assume the Rings would virtually destroy the Empire. False. The Empire have a failsafe plan for anything similar to that.

The plan would basically be set once they have detected several specialized units deceased and thus launch the plan. The plan would basically be the Droids and security systems already on board will kick in and the ships will lock down and send a distress signal back to the Star Wars Galaxy.

The Rings would cause nothing but harm only the milky way, it's suicide for the Forerunner unless they can make it to the shield worlds.

This would cause a new Imperial fleet to show up, which would have information based on what happened and the enemy weaponry, thus giving them time to create a counter for their weaponry and protection. By this time the Empire would certainly know of the rings and their power, and the new ships would come in and destroy the ARK or at least a few rings using droid controlled ships (if they didn't know about the rings already and had destroyed at least a few, seeing how they aren't really superweapons so much as an MAD device), which honestly wouldn't take them very long since the ARK is located exactly where they suspect it would be.

HyperSpace is also much faster than that of Coveant slipspace speed, over a thousand fold. I have no idea how fast Forerunner slipspace if anyone could give me that information.

Empire battletroops may seem a bit off in the Movies, but their true nature is shown in the recent prequels. There are so many it's impossible to count. With estimates in the tens of quadrillions with many more still being made.

The number of Forerunner ships is big, yes, but numbers do not always win. A small hit and run on the Ark would be enough, a couple trillion Star Destroyer II ships would be enough.

No, numbers don't always win. But that's where batcrap insane firepower succeeds. You speak of a couple trillion Star Destroyers. Proof that the Empire has fielded such a fleet, please.

GE Infantry get pwned by Prometheans. This has been discussed already.

Forerunner ships travel at great magnitudes of .c. If you would look at the link provided, and ignore Episky's rambling...

Counter for Forerunner weaponry? Good lord, man... Entire swarms of SSDs are being shot from the sky, and you think that the GE has some sort of godshield hidden away somewhere?


He's bull-blam!- you. The largest fleet the Empire ever fielded (Sector Fleet I believe it was) was 25,000 ships. The largest known Forerunner fleet was several trillion ships and weapon platforms (again, most likely automated). In fact, if the Forerunners can produce automated ships on such a scale as indicated, its likely they have as many ships if not more then the CIS has droids.

Besides, Onyx class Sentinels would wipe the floor with the CIS' droids, no argument there.

In fact, I think its obvious Halo wins surface battles.

LOL! The Covenant alone can defeat the whole Star Wars universe

No. They'd have a chance against the Imperial Navy, only if they were stealthy. A Covenant Assault Carrier's plasma cannons are 4 times more powerful then the SMAC (to vaporize a 3000 m in diameter asteroid, you'd need a force of 202.1 gigatons).

But the UNSC/Covenant are more supplementary.

[Edited on 05.06.2011 5:39 AM PDT]

  • 05.06.2011 5:35 AM PDT