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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?

A: Roberto how about you reply to the comments tearing your War sphinx thing to pieces?

Such as Antons.

  • 05.06.2011 4:24 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: hotshot revan II
pg95 Cryptum
We crossed the inner lake in minutes,a leisurely pace for a craft designed to drop from high orbit,sweep continents,and decimate cities.The only thing these old machines lacked,i thought,was a direct connection to slipspace.But i didn't know that fore sure.

Notice how it doesn't uses plural,it says "craft",proves a single war sphinx could do that.Time period of it is enough,but might be short time as it says "sweep" instead of "sweeping".

You are taking this way out of context.

Bornstellar is commenting on the speed of the craft as it passes over the lake. To do this, he is putting this speed into context with respect to what the maximum speed that the machine can do. What bloody sense does it make to give an idea of the craft's speed by commenting on its firepower? None whatsoever. That would be like saying "This tank is moving unusually slow because it can blow up an entire house!" No logical connection whatsoever.

Sweep in this context is meaning that the craft at peak efficiency can move across entire continents very quickly, as opposed to the slow, leisurely pace that it took across the lake.

Final point. How redundant is the phrase "destroy entire cities" made if the previous phrase "Sweep continents" really meant wiping out vast areas of land equivalent to a continent? Very redundant, because it is a sure bet that any cities on that bloody continent will be "swept away" also. It is fruitless to actually point that out.

These silly little debates goad people into warping the meaning of texts in order to suit their own rubbish arguments.


I see,but i wasn't trying to wank them,i thought that "sweeping" was the same as slagging.

Oh well we still have the near destruction of the prophet world by fighters,seekers,divots,...

Star Wars side brings out, Yuuzhan Vong, Sun Crusher, Star Forge, Death Stars, Super Star Destroyers and of course the most powerful weapon in the arsenal, The Force.

Both sides are too stubborn to concede anything. The Star Wars guys ultimately win out, but because this is a Halo forum with so many die-hard Halo fans/connoisseurs the argument rages on.

The fact of the matter is, that until the Precursor are completely fleshed out as the overpowered super weapons they will become, Star Wars is going to win. And even then, Star Wars will still win because of the Force. It'll be much closer though.


No,it's because you warsies couldn't counter our points.

You will prove me how star wars will beat Halo,instead of your claims.

A: Roberto how about you reply to the comments tearing your War sphinx thing to pieces?

Such as Antons.


The fallacy of this post...

  • 05.06.2011 4:48 PM PDT

Um, the Star Wars side actually kept it normal. We had Covenant/UNSC vs Empire.

The HALO side had to bring in Forerunners and precursors. YOU all sent this way out of hand and crazy-messed up.

Roberto mentions me trying to loophole it into a Star Wars win.

However, in every Star Wars vs halo topic I've been in, I've outright supported the removal of super-weapons and god factions, FOR BOTH -blam!- SIDES.

[Edited on 05.06.2011 4:56 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um, the Star Wars side actually kept it normal. We had Covenant/UNSC vs Empire.

The HALO side had to bring in Forerunners and precursors. YOU all sent this way out of hand and crazy-messed up.

Roberto mentions me trying to loophole it into a Star Wars win.

However, in every Star Wars vs halo topic I've been in, I've outright supported the removal of super-weapons and god factions, FOR BOTH -blam!- SIDES.


The title says Halo vs star wars,not the empire vs UNSC/covie

So we can all assume it includes everything.

The problem with your suggestion is that the UNSC and covies only control a small portion of the galaxy,whereas the empire controls the entire galaxy,not fair.

  • 05.06.2011 4:58 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: hotshot revan II
No,it's because you warsies couldn't counter our points.

You will prove me how star wars will beat Halo,instead of your claims.


It happens in every thread, many of which you've probably been a part of. Everything you could possibly come up with has already been refuted and put down many times before. So please, do yourself a favour and just stop posting, you're not getting anywhere. It's already been decided by the population in general that Star Wars wins.

The only place that it's debated is here because this is a Halo forum, where no-one seems to be able to accept that there is a universe that can beat Halo. I don't know why Halofans need to make a big deal of it, instead of just accepting it, but they do. You don't see Star Wars fans making threads on Star Wars forums asking who would win between Star Wars and Star Trek, or Warhammer 40K.

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Well, yeah, I guess you do. A lot. But still, come on.

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De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um, the Star Wars side actually kept it normal. We had Covenant/UNSC vs Empire.

The HALO side had to bring in Forerunners and precursors. YOU all sent this way out of hand and crazy-messed up.

Roberto mentions me trying to loophole it into a Star Wars win.

However, in every Star Wars vs halo topic I've been in, I've outright supported the removal of super-weapons and god factions, FOR BOTH -blam!- SIDES.


The title says Halo vs star wars,not the empire vs UNSC/covie

So we can all assume it includes everything.

The problem with your suggestion is that the UNSC and covies only control a small portion of the galaxy,whereas the empire controls the entire galaxy,not fair.

The Forerunners controlled the whole galaxy, and could make planets and stars. They also could go to different galaxies, but they didn't want to, because they had all the resources they needed in this one.

Given how easily Forerunner history is subverted, maybe the Forerunners didn't originate in the Milky Way, just moved there from another. They drain a galaxy of resources, and then move on... complete paranoia there, sorry.

They could also go to ALTERNATE UNIVERSES. That's nigh on Ascended Alteran stuff there.

  • 05.06.2011 5:03 PM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um, the Star Wars side actually kept it normal. We had Covenant/UNSC vs Empire.

The HALO side had to bring in Forerunners and precursors. YOU all sent this way out of hand and crazy-messed up.

Roberto mentions me trying to loophole it into a Star Wars win.

However, in every Star Wars vs halo topic I've been in, I've outright supported the removal of super-weapons and god factions, FOR BOTH -blam!- SIDES.


The title says Halo vs star wars,not the empire vs UNSC/covie

So we can all assume it includes everything.

The problem with your suggestion is that the UNSC and covies only control a small portion of the galaxy,whereas the empire controls the entire galaxy,not fair.


So? sometimes the thread talks about a single battle, other times a large scale war.

I'm accused of trying to loophole the VS into the Star Wars side, yet the person who does so takes very vague references of how powerful something is as fact.

Edit: I'd have to agree with a guy on the last page. Until both the Forerunners AND/OR the precursors are actually and fully fleshed out, they should simply not be used.

[Edited on 05.06.2011 5:05 PM PDT]

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Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: hotshot revan II
No,it's because you warsies couldn't counter our points.

You will prove me how star wars will beat Halo,instead of your claims.


It happens in every thread, many of which you've probably been a part of. Everything you could possibly come up with has already been refuted and put down many times before. So please, do yourself a favour and just stop posting, you're not getting anywhere. It's already been decided by the population in general that Star Wars wins.

The only place that it's debated is here because this is a Halo forum, where no-one seems to be able to accept that there is a universe that can beat Halo. I don't know why Halofans need to make a big deal of it, instead of just accepting it, but they do. You don't see Star Wars fans making threads on Star Wars forums asking who would win between Star Wars and Star Trek, or Warhammer 40K.

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Well, yeah, I guess you do. A lot. But still, come on.

Durp. Factpile more or less agrees: Forerunners > Star Wars.
Spacebattles is the same: Forerunners >> Star Wars so bad it's not even considered a battle.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Durp. Factpile more or less agrees: Forerunners > Star Wars.
Spacebattles is the same: Forerunners >> Star Wars so bad it's not even considered a battle.


And what makes them so reliable/the leading source of facts?

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SC = Supreme Commander/Supreme Canadian.

De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Durp. Factpile more or less agrees: Forerunners > Star Wars.
Spacebattles is the same: Forerunners >> Star Wars so bad it's not even considered a battle.


And what makes them so reliable/the leading source of facts?

unbiased sources.
Actually, Factpile is biased AGAINST Halo, and yet...

[Edited on 05.06.2011 5:12 PM PDT]

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Cowbell.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
This topic has been done to death before.


And as I recall, halo ended up winning.

Only reason being that precursors ships = indestructible.

EDIT: Read posts about non-god figures, I would say most likely Star Wars, but that's hard to judge, considering blaster rifles can take chunks out of durasteel, but not blow Princess Leia's arm into smithereens on impact.

[Edited on 05.06.2011 5:25 PM PDT]

  • 05.06.2011 5:22 PM PDT


Posted by: gromman1000
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
This topic has been done to death before.


And as I recall, halo ended up winning.

Only reason being that precursors ships = indestructible.


You could say halo won, but that was only because people but in two factions (Forerunners or precursors) which have hardly been fleshed out/described.

Even in the one, after I went "Lets kick out god-factions and all super-weapons." to make it a discussion, not "Precursors win, so there!" topic, both of those got shoved back in again and again.

Edit: Then again, those movies were made when gore was a semi-big "No!"

[Edited on 05.06.2011 5:27 PM PDT]

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Cowbell.

Well, how do you explain the 2 dismemberments in the series? I know that the latest one was made in a time that it was semi OK, but still. You can't just walk away from something that can break stuff that makes up most of the star wars "armour defense" like it was a stray 9 mm.

  • 05.06.2011 5:29 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Durp. Factpile more or less agrees: Forerunners > Star Wars.
Spacebattles is the same: Forerunners >> Star Wars so bad it's not even considered a battle.


And what makes them so reliable/the leading source of facts?

unbiased sources.
Actually, Factpile is biased AGAINST Halo, and yet...


Actually, the Factpile one is Forerunners vs Galactic Empire, and I haven't found the Spacebattles discussion you're referencing. Besides, that's forums, which means they have as much authority on the matter as we do. If all you can put together for that is two forums, one of which was only discussing Forerunner vs Empire, you've got a lot more people to talk to.


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
This topic has been done to death before.


And as I recall, halo ended up winning.

Only reason being that precursors ships = indestructible.

EDIT: Read posts about non-god figures, I would say most likely Star Wars, but that's hard to judge, considering blaster rifles can take chunks out of durasteel, but not blow Princess Leia's arm into smithereens on impact.


Well, no, no-one ever ends up winning really because the argument never stops.

Like Cmdr noted, the Precursor really aren't something that can actually be included honestly because all you know of them, even with Cryptum, just aren't really fleshed out enough to be able to count in. All we know of them is really just told through vague references to them by characters, not through actual real-time happenings. So if you're going by myths and legends propagated by characters in the universe, you can't be expected to be taken that seriously.

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Cowbell.

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Durp. Factpile more or less agrees: Forerunners > Star Wars.
Spacebattles is the same: Forerunners >> Star Wars so bad it's not even considered a battle.


And what makes them so reliable/the leading source of facts?

unbiased sources.
Actually, Factpile is biased AGAINST Halo, and yet...


Actually, the Factpile one is Forerunners vs Galactic Empire, and I haven't found the Spacebattles discussion you're referencing. Besides, that's forums, which means they have as much authority on the matter as we do. If all you can put together for that is two forums, one of which was only discussing Forerunner vs Empire, you've got a lot more people to talk to.


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
This topic has been done to death before.


And as I recall, halo ended up winning.

Only reason being that precursors ships = indestructible.

EDIT: Read posts about non-god figures, I would say most likely Star Wars, but that's hard to judge, considering blaster rifles can take chunks out of durasteel, but not blow Princess Leia's arm into smithereens on impact.


Well, no, no-one ever ends up winning really because the argument never stops.

Like Cmdr noted, the Precursor really aren't something that can actually be included honestly because all you know of them, even with Cryptum, just aren't really fleshed out enough to be able to count in. All we know of them is really just told through vague references to them by characters, not through actual real-time happenings. So if you're going by myths and legends propagated by characters in the universe, you can't be expected to be taken that seriously.


Yeah, I'm trying to be neutral in this argument to some extent, and referring to the older thread about this *without the precursors or forerunners* that start wars would truly win. If the forerunners were involved, it could be a different story, but it might still not make much of a difference.

  • 05.06.2011 5:35 PM PDT

Halo. Period.

  • 05.06.2011 5:39 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: gromman1000
Yeah, I'm trying to be neutral in this argument to some extent, and referring to the older thread about this *without the precursors or forerunners* that start wars would truly win. If the forerunners were involved, it could be a different story, but it might still not make much of a difference.


The Forerunner make it a good fight when they're brought in. They're something that can really stand up to the best of the Star Wars universe. The Precursors, one day, most likely after the Cryptum trilogy finishes, will be able to make it a complete stalemate.

And @Guybelow, yes, that's always brought up quite a few times. And the proper way to put it is that their whatsit could not be destroyed buy anything the Forerunner threw at it.

[Edited on 05.06.2011 5:52 PM PDT]

  • 05.06.2011 5:41 PM PDT

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And about precursors... You guys know that their materials couldn't even be broken by forerunner weapons or any other thing? Other than Neural physics, Halo? That means a lot since the forerunners can put up some pretty good firepower.

  • 05.06.2011 5:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
I see,but i wasn't trying to wank them,i thought that "sweeping" was the same as slagging.

Oh well we still have the near destruction of the prophet world by fighters,seekers,divots,...

I do not really care what else there is to be honest. I am not a fan of Star Wars so I know nothing of their canon, but I am very familiar with Halo's canon and people talking BS with it sticks out like a sore thumb. People turning Halo canon into a caricature so they can "win" in these debates bugs me. More gullible members read it and actually believe it.

And I bet all the Star Wars fans are doing the same on their end too...

  • 05.06.2011 5:52 PM PDT

Ask this in a Star Wars fansite, and see if the outcome is different.

  • 05.06.2011 6:13 PM PDT

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  • 05.06.2011 10:04 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

The Forerunner make it a good fight when they're brought in. They're something that can really stand up to the best of the Star Wars universe. The Precursors, one day, most likely after the Cryptum trilogy finishes, will be able to make it a complete stalemate.


No,they will assrape star wars.What's the firepower of star wars?Gigaton at EU version,kiloton-megaton at movie version.

And the Forerunners...10 petaton for the autumns destruction,a Forerunner ship destroyed a ring with brutal strenght,the autumn didn't.

I see Forerunner firepower exceeds star wars firepower.So i ask how will Star wars survive this slaughter?

It happens in every thread, many of which you've probably been a part of. Everything you could possibly come up with has already been refuted and put down many times before. So please, do yourself a favour and just stop posting, you're not getting anywhere. It's already been decided by the population in general that Star Wars wins.

Appeal to ignorance , popularity and emotion.

No it wasn't.The only that was concluded it that star wars would beat covies and UNSC and that Forerunner tech is greater.But firepower for the 4runners was unknown till now...

The only place that it's debated is here because this s a Halo forum, where no-one seems to be able to accept that there is a universe that can beat Halo. I don't know why Halofans need to make a big deal of it, instead of just accepting it, but they do. You don't see Star Wars fans making threads on Star Wars forums asking who would win between Star Wars and Star Trek, or Warhammer 40K


No it's because someone like can't accept that Halo can win something.See,in debates you should win the fight with facts and not opinions like yours that bash the Halo fans.
Foolish,kid all forums are full of debates and this site too because idiots can't go to other debate forums like SB or FP.

Or how about this,star wars fans made an entire site just to debate between treks and warsies.

It's funny how in your post,you didn't post any facts but you start say to us to give up and make mindless claims full of fallacies.

So? sometimes the thread talks about a single battle, other times a large scale war.

I'm accused of trying to loophole the VS into the Star Wars side, yet the person who does so takes very vague references of how powerful something is as fact.

Edit: I'd have to agree with a guy on the last page. Until both the Forerunners AND/OR the precursors are actually and fully fleshed out, they should simply not be used.



We know enough of the Forerunner to debate this,it's just that you haven't shown any valid argument yet to beat down the 4runners but claims .

And you didn't read Cryptum,you don't even now what it gives us about the 4runners.

Like Cmdr noted, the Precursor really aren't something that can actually be included honestly because all you know of them, even with Cryptum, just aren't really fleshed out enough to be able to count in. All we know of them is really just told through vague references to them by characters, not through actual real-time happenings. So if you're going by myths and legends propagated by characters in the universe, you can't be expected to be taken that seriously.

?Tell me did you read Cryptum.It's revealed that their tech is indestructible to anything but a Halo ring(surprise surprise for ignorants)


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  • 05.07.2011 1:14 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Halo Cryptum pg 103:

"The basic principle was called neural physics,i said.Precursors felt the mantle extended to the entire universe.the universe lives,but not as we do."


The Forerunner mantle only extended to the milky way galaxy,their plight is to protect the milky way galaxy or to submit them(like the prophets and humans)

The Precursor seems like they protected the entire universe instead of just the milky way,which was confirmed in the bestiarium that they travel intergalactic.

Tier 0: Transsentient As the [Forerunners] had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishment greater than themselves - with the exception of the Precursors - this is a theoretical ceiling. They can travel intergalactic and accelerate evolution of intelligent life. These may be creatures of legend.

Confirms what i said above.Also they aren't sentient,they are even above,they are transsentients,i don't know what this means but they are probably transcended species.Which explains how the last Precursor survived a freaking Halo ring,they are godlike .

You can't kill them,why else do you think the gravemind can't die.You can destroy is body ,but his consiousness will always remain.




pg 114

"How" i asked.How do you destroy Precursor artifacts?They're inviolate,eternal.They understoodvthe universe in ways we never will.We can't unlock their secrets-but now,apparently,we can destroy all they ever built.Now that's what i call progress.



Here they say it's indestructible,but only Halo can destroy it.Because of the following reasons:

pg 249
"That was never a possibility in my design.They changed it's tuning.It's the negation of neural physics,far beyond...His voice trailled off.



As you see the Halo ring wave ingores the neural physics,hence why it destroys the Precursor artifacts.

Before someone claims i wank,even the definition of Halo waypoint confirms it:

"Precursors:A civilization which preceded the Forerunners,leaving behind indestructible and inscrutable remnants of their way of life."


Another one:

"Some Precursors artifacts were old enough to be cycled again and again through hundreds of millions of years,dragged down with subsumed crust and pushed up again through volcanoes or vents.Indestructible...fascinatig .And for now,useless.




pg 228

"..though certainly not equal to any of the ruins found on any great Precursor planet-no vaulting orbital bridges stretching from world to world,no unbending eternal cables.


Precursors -blam!- up with the laws of physics,if they have that kind of bridges,which is impossible to do so.Those bridges can then survive collisions with other planetary bodys,stars,...

I'm sure ROBERTO will be able to explain it far better then me.

Regardless,star wars is screwed as they have no weapon that works like Halo.

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  • 05.07.2011 1:44 AM PDT

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Well I would argue that if we are talking about Halo, this would be the UNSC/Covenant from the Halo fiction. Unless you want to make it SW vs. Forerunners. That's entirely different. But, IMO, it is only fair to make it the UNSC/Covenant.

It is unfair to put an ancient alien race with ages, possibly even epoch's of advancement against one with only perhaps a millenia or two. It is like arguing whether or not King Arthur could beat today's military with his own army.

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