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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?

Would Star Wars hyperspace killing ships work against the halo ships?

And yes, I again vote ALL superweapons and god-factions get kicked from the discussion to prevent bull-blam!- fanboyism.

  • 07.11.2011 4:36 PM PDT

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Well there goes the Forerunners, and maybe the flood. Doubt that though.

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Posted by: Sarge sammy1997
Star Wars: The Force, SDs. SSDs, Death Stars, Sun Crushers, DarkSaber,Eye of Palpatine, Galaxy Gun, Star Forge,mass shadow generator,World Devastators,Yo'gand's Core,Dark Reaper, and of course, Clones, droids, and the Thought Bomb.

Halo: Halos, Flood, Forerunners.

I'm sorry, but I believe Star Wars wins. The halos are in the Halo universe, not the Star Wars universe so they have no affect.

Twelve 30000km diameter halos, seven 10000km diameter halos. Nova Bomb also there are the trillions of onyx sentinels, quarantine shields [composed of trillions of vigilants], sentinels, hard light, Harnessing stars, design-seeds, weapon-ships, war-machines, fighting suits, and so much more.

  • 07.11.2011 5:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Sarge sammy1997
Well there goes the Forerunners, and maybe the flood. Doubt that though.


Depends are we talking about the flood entering the Star Wars galaxy as it did in the forerunner war, or when it was released from alpha halo?

Aka, infection forms and spores only, no gravemind or even protogravemind yet.

If so, then they can stay I'd say. Now if you are trying to do what Revan was and have them enter the Star Wars galaxy at end of the forerunner-flood war numbers and intelligence... then no. Unless you specifically admit to get that many they would have to consume basically the entire UNSC and Covenant. (Least, that'd be how I could accept them having that strength.)

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  • 07.11.2011 6:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sarge sammy1997
Star Wars: The Force, SDs. SSDs, Death Stars, Sun Crushers, DarkSaber,Eye of Palpatine, Galaxy Gun, Star Forge,mass shadow generator,World Devastators,Yo'gand's Core,Dark Reaper, and of course, Clones, droids, and the Thought Bomb.

Halo: Halos, Flood, Forerunners.

I'm sorry, but I believe Star Wars wins. The halos are in the Halo universe, not the Star Wars universe so they have no affect.


You can move the Halos through slipspace...


Forgot about that. Closed hyperspace lanes?


Hyperspace is not the same as Slipspace, Slipspace lets you go through stars and planets and Hyperspace don't.

  • 07.11.2011 6:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: Sarge sammy1997
Star Wars: The Force, SDs. SSDs, Death Stars, Sun Crushers, DarkSaber,Eye of Palpatine, Galaxy Gun, Star Forge,mass shadow generator,World Devastators,Yo'gand's Core,Dark Reaper, and of course, Clones, droids, and the Thought Bomb.

Halo: Halos, Flood, Forerunners.

I'm sorry, but I believe Star Wars wins. The halos are in the Halo universe, not the Star Wars universe so they have no affect.

Twelve 30000km diameter halos, seven 10000km diameter halos. Nova Bomb also there are the trillions of onyx sentinels, quarantine shields [composed of trillions of vigilants], sentinels, hard light, Harnessing stars, design-seeds, weapon-ships, war-machines, fighting suits, and so much more.


To put into perspective of everything he said in order:

Can move/fire in isolated areas, same thing, can crack a planet wide open, probably could Death Star the Death Star, that's trillions of automated warships, infinite number of them, don't know what else to say here, yes Forerunners used stars as a energy source, they can grow ships from a seed like a plant, basically warships, again nothing to say, can pull the crust off of a planet***

***It has in fact been confirmed upon closer scrutinization of Cryptum that Seekers, at least, are classified as combat suits, not star fighters or air supperiority vehicles. An individual War Sphinx (the older, more primitive Seekers) could, according to Bornstellar, flatten cities and actually generally disrupt the ecosystem of an entire continent. Seekers are the advanced version.

So, suffice it to say that these things are disgustingly powerful. Point being, at the fall of the Prophet Homeworld, no warships partook in the completea annihilation of the planet, only automated defenses like small weapon platforms and Seekers. Yet at the same time, entire canyons were gouged into the surface by way of literally yanking slabs of crust out of the planet, and spinning them around like a ragdoll.

So, like a broken record, the immeasurable power of the Forerunners is brought to light and those who are not open minded enough to accept the power of them cry fan-wank and immedietely call for the exclusion of the Forerunners and Precursors from the fight, even though the title of the threead quite clearly says " Halo vs Star Wars," not "What's Left of Halo vs Star Wars."

So why would this be, I wonder? What rubbish justifications do those foul-criers have to explain their reasoning? Unfairness? Can't be. How many factions does Halo have? 6, including the Ancient Man race, while also not including the Insurrection, as they are effectively the UNSC. How many does SW have? Uncountable.

So fairness is not the deal; I never heard any of the Forerunner nay-sayers present the possibility that maybe 6 vs several hundred might a wee bit unfair.

The lack of evidence as has been suggested? Well, I don't see any one here using any kind of weapon or ability that has never been specifically stated to exist (that is to say, legitimately trying it). We present proof, we calculate, we give evidence. No ability mentioned thus far, to my knowledge, has not been supported by source material.

For example, Necrons from WH40k use a special weapon that destroys physical matter no matter how strong it is. Did anyone say hard light could do something this? Has anyone said Forerunner weapons had any magical abilities that set them apart like the Necrons? No, they haven't. So we calculate the physical force exerted by a weapon, since we have no other choice.

So it would seem the only real reason the nay-sayers wish to exclude the Ancient races and superweapons is because that would be depriving Halo of its most valuable assests, while Wars' numbers alone would swamp such a degraded Haloverse.

First rule of tactical warfare: deny your enemy the ability to wage war.

These people aren't stupid, they know damn well that the Contemporary Haloverse would burn to the ground against Star Wars due entirely to superior army size. They cannot face the fact that the Forerunners and Precursors would be mopping the Empire's splattered brains off of the surface of Endor within weeks.

No, scratch that: they do recognize it, which is precisely why they try to kill the Ancients off. They just can't admit it (protip: when friggin' Factpile admits the Forerunners would eat the Empire for breakfast (and not even giving them the courtesy of eating them for lunch, let alone dinner) to such a degree there is a strongly opinionated debate on whether or not the FR deserves such an award for a stomp of that magnitude the Richter Scale broke, you know the Forerunners mean buisness).

(Pro-tip 2.0: Factpile hates Halo with a living passion)

They attempt to drop a plot bomb on the Ancients, which, last time I checked, does not actually exist in either universe to be a quantifiable threat to any faction on any side.

  • 07.11.2011 6:31 PM PDT

Actually Roberto, I hate universe vs universe arguments as I said in my last post to you. Hence my statement of we need rules. I typically ONLY respond with using either the republic, or the empire(or limiting it to specific main military factions, never more then 2). Never using the many smaller factions(crime groups for example) or opposing groups. *Aka, jedi or sith are involved since they tag along with the imperial or republic armies.*

Even then, I don't even suggest all out war between the galaxies. I'm talking specific battles (Joint UNSC and Covenant fleet vs an imperial(or republic... maybe a mix of both) fleet of the same size for example)

Or UNSC battlegroup(let's say 1 marathon class cruiser, 2 escorting destroyers, and 6 heavy frigates.) comes across a trio of star destroyers(1 ISD2, two of the smaller star destroyer variants), how could they defeat the imperials without loosing drastic numbers.

You see, a generic "faction vs faction" just stalemates. Hence why the Force User vs Spartan topic had lots of intelligent debating. The rules were crystal clear, the two sides both had what they were bringing to the battlefield fully detailed, and it was let loose.

Hell, if we wanted to do a campaign style thing. I'd honestly go "Halo universe detects of finds Star Wars universe stuff directly after the first conflict on harvest. Covenant and UNSC join(regardless of details like truth hating humans blah blah balh) forces to build up their fleets and armies to face off a potential Imperial invasion(or whatever main enemy faction is fighting them. Or even to venture into the star wars galaxy to explore and claim tech and resources.)

What does this do? It removes the "Massive covenant or human deaths during the war." keeps forerunners out of it for the most part, and allows both UNSC and Covenant to be at their strongest and have fully capability to produce more ships.

Edit: Or hell, this example is inspired by the halo vs star wars rts thread lol. "Good guys" vs "bad guys" whether this means republic(or rebels) and UNSC vs Covenant and empire or CIS... who knows. But a good faction and bad faction of at least equal strength from star wars siding with each of the halo ones.

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I would say Halo would win if Forerunners or Flood shows up. (Remember, Forerunners or Flood isn't close to extinction at all, they simply took off.)

If it were to be conventional forces such as UNSC/Covenant vs Empire, then Empire would win.

And I noticed there's some miscalculations regarding on the ship grade weapons on star wars side. I find it doubtful when a destroyer is capable of leveling entire city with only turbolasers... If I remember right, recent movie (epsiode III) showed that a venator class destroyer vs CIS ship, and we only see is small explosions. Also, I recall a man who worked at Death star as primary weapon officer at laser room or something claimed that a destroyer wouldn't able to level the city. (I think it was Episode IV or VI, not sure.) So, that puts those calculations and "speculations" that were once claimed by several members here in cloud of doubtful and so-not believable.


As I recall a fleet of interdictor-Class Sith Destroyers leveled Taris, a SD sports a lot more turbolasers.


Ah, that is where you stop there. You said it was claimed that a fleet of interdictor class sith destroyers leveled taris would mean that a single destroyer such as SD or ISD cannot level a city by itself. It would require numbers of ships to destroy a city as in star wars, cities can be large as 1/4th of Coruscant. Which it can be in billions, perhaps trillions. And I believe that in episode IV or later, it said that it would require 2,000 SD ships to destroy a entire planet with continuous firing. Also, some people here claimed that a single of shot from turbolaser is enough to take out a city is rubbish. It would require more than one shot, more like several dozens at least.

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Forgot about that. Closed hyperspace lanes?


Ah, slipspace and hyperdrive FTL devices have different physics properties. Slipspace allows any ships to go through the stars and planets via slipspace which hyperspace cannot due to lacking of certain physics properties required to do so.

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  • 07.11.2011 7:16 PM PDT

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I would say Halo would win if Forerunners or Flood shows up. (Remember, Forerunners or Flood isn't close to extinction at all, they simply took off.)

If it were to be conventional forces such as UNSC/Covenant vs Empire, then Empire would win.

And I noticed there's some miscalculations regarding on the ship grade weapons on star wars side. I find it doubtful when a destroyer is capable of leveling entire city with only turbolasers... If I remember right, recent movie (epsiode III) showed that a venator class destroyer vs CIS ship, and we only see is small explosions. Also, I recall a man who worked at Death star as primary weapon officer at laser room or something claimed that a destroyer wouldn't able to level the city. (I think it was Episode IV or VI, not sure.) So, that puts those calculations and "speculations" that were once claimed by several members here in cloud of doubtful and so-not believable.


As I recall a fleet of interdictor-Class Sith Destroyers leveled Taris, a SD sports a lot more turbolasers.


Ah, that is where you stop there. You said it was claimed that a fleet of interdictor class sith destroyers leveled taris would mean that a single destroyer such as SD or ISD cannot level a city by itself. It would require numbers of ships to destroy a city as in star wars, cities can be large as 1/4th of Coruscant. Which it can be in billions, perhaps trillions. And I believe that in episode IV or later, it said that it would require 2,000 SD ships to destroy a entire planet with continuous firing. Also, some people here claimed that a single of shot from turbolaser is enough to take out a city is rubbish. It would require more than one shot, more like several dozens at least.

Sarge sammy1997


Forgot about that. Closed hyperspace lanes?


Ah, slipspace and hyperdrive FTL devices have different physics properties. Slipspace allows any ships to go through the stars and planets via slipspace which hyperspace cannot due to lacking of certain physics properties required to do so.


I am wrong, perfectly fair. A SD could level a city no more then marine could kill a hunter by himself. A shot from turbolaser could maybe take down a small to medium size building. Not a city.

And thank you for teaching me about slipspace and hyperspace. I haven't explored that much into Halo science compared to Star Wars.

Also, I think Coruscant's population is around 17 trillion not including those who visit.

Adding edit: I am perfectly fine with all the Halo factions, not the flood, vs all Star Wars big factions. I said big because I don't want no little Black Sun pirates getting in the way, it would narrow it down to the Old Republic, The Old Sith Empire, New Sith Empire, and the New Republic(Rebels). I said no flood because it would kill everyone.

[Edited on 07.11.2011 7:46 PM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 7:41 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
Ah, that is where you stop there. You said it was claimed that a fleet of interdictor class sith destroyers leveled taris would mean that a single destroyer such as SD or ISD cannot level a city by itself. It would require numbers of ships to destroy a city as in star wars, cities can be large as 1/4th of Coruscant. Which it can be in billions, perhaps trillions. And I believe that in episode IV or later, it said that it would require 2,000 SD ships to destroy a entire planet with continuous firing. Also, some people here claimed that a single of shot from turbolaser is enough to take out a city is rubbish. It would require more than one shot, more like several dozens at least.
One shot is a bit far fetched but why not look at what the Empire has done already. 3 Star Destroyers blew the atmosphere clear off the planet Dankayo and slagged the surface after less than an hour. Only reason it took 3 that long to do so was because each was performing double duty of bombardment and blockade, a single ISD could have done it but that would have left the other side of the planet free to evacuate while the side the ISD was pounding was atomized.

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Ah, that is where you stop there. You said it was claimed that a fleet of interdictor class sith destroyers leveled taris would mean that a single destroyer such as SD or ISD cannot level a city by itself. It would require numbers of ships to destroy a city as in star wars, cities can be large as 1/4th of Coruscant. Which it can be in billions, perhaps trillions. And I believe that in episode IV or later, it said that it would require 2,000 SD ships to destroy a entire planet with continuous firing. Also, some people here claimed that a single of shot from turbolaser is enough to take out a city is rubbish. It would require more than one shot, more like several dozens at least.
One shot is a bit far fetched but why not look at what the Empire has done already. 3 Star Destroyers blew the atmosphere clear off the planet Dankayo and slagged the surface after less than an hour. Only reason it took 3 that long to do so was because each was performing double duty of bombardment and blockade, a single ISD could have done it but that would have left the other side of the planet free to evacuate while the side the ISD was pounding was atomized.


Perhaps so but I think it would require about 4 to 5 ships to level a city. Turbolasers probably are capable to vaporizing or destroying a small to medium sized buildings, not entire city. And it strikes me that you said that turbolasers were capable of dishing out 800 teratons of TNT which it would easily destroy a planet with a shot. (not like death star style but more like planet-killers class asteroid/meteor hitting a planet.)

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  • 07.11.2011 8:32 PM PDT


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Ah, that is where you stop there. You said it was claimed that a fleet of interdictor class sith destroyers leveled taris would mean that a single destroyer such as SD or ISD cannot level a city by itself. It would require numbers of ships to destroy a city as in star wars, cities can be large as 1/4th of Coruscant. Which it can be in billions, perhaps trillions. And I believe that in episode IV or later, it said that it would require 2,000 SD ships to destroy a entire planet with continuous firing. Also, some people here claimed that a single of shot from turbolaser is enough to take out a city is rubbish. It would require more than one shot, more like several dozens at least.
One shot is a bit far fetched but why not look at what the Empire has done already. 3 Star Destroyers blew the atmosphere clear off the planet Dankayo and slagged the surface after less than an hour. Only reason it took 3 that long to do so was because each was performing double duty of bombardment and blockade, a single ISD could have done it but that would have left the other side of the planet free to evacuate while the side the ISD was pounding was atomized.


Perhaps so but I think it would require about 4 to 5 ships to level a city. Turbolasers probably are capable to vaporizing or destroying a small to medium sized buildings, not entire city. And it strikes me that you said that turbolasers were capable of dishing out 800 teratons of TNT which it would easily destroy a planet with a shot. (not like death star style but more like planet-killers class asteroid/meteor hitting a planet.)
Well they don't ever do it, but it's possible, that is only if you concentrate ALL power to the Turbolasers, and even still, the 800 teratons is with the combined force of all the active turbolasers, not a sole turbolaser. Destroying a planet can be from vaporizing the atmosphere to turning the core to ash, it has a wide range. But the Empire would never risk giving all power to their guns if it is absolutely necessary, you have to have the defensive batteries and shields.

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With the Halo 4 trailer coming into account, that may reveal more sentinels, with this array of forerunner technology working side in side with Humans/Covey, etc. That'll obliterate a fair amount towards any Starwars fleet.

  • 07.11.2011 8:48 PM PDT

ay yai yai!!! Kids really dont know crap about star wars... of course Star Wars wins and rapes HALO. how would the covenant, flood or spartan be able to kill a jedi or sith when theyr one with the force. Try and beat the ability of forsight or messing with other beings minds.(even forerunners wouldnt stand a chance).So come on, the star wars space ships -blam!- the Halo ships like a mom stuffing a turky on thanksgiving...hahaha!!! do your research before voting

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ay yai yai!!! Kids really dont know crap about star wars... of course Star Wars wins and rapes HALO. how would the covenant, flood or spartan be able to kill a jedi or sith when theyr one with the force. Try and beat the ability of forsight or messing with other beings minds.(even forerunners wouldnt stand a chance).So come on, the star wars space ships -blam!- the Halo ships like a mom stuffing a turky on thanksgiving...hahaha!!! do your research before voting


True, star wars would win against UNSC/Covenant but not to Forerunners.

Have you read Cryptum? Their smallest ship is essentially planet killers. Also, their war sphinx were capable of destroying a entire continent at ease. Also, in Halo CE's cutscene shown that to destroy hard-light based structures like Halo via PoA's detonation was calculated to be range of in hundreds of teratons to tens of peratons of TNT which it is beyond star war's current firepower. Also in Cryptum, it claimed that several Forerunner war ships destroyed several Halo arrays with ship-grade weapons which it can be ranged as hundreds of teratons of TNT to tens of peratons of TNT. Also their hull is made of hard light as well, is nearly indestructible to anything except from Forerunner weapons or stronger. Hell, their Ancilla (Smart A.I) can easily hack almost anything without requiring physical contact. Also Forerunner's Navy is believed to be numbered in trillions as well. AND, you should do your research because you know little to nothing about Forerunners. Their recorded largest ship was rated as 100km long. Average length of average warships range from 10km to 75km long.

And Flood? Flood is perfect biology, there is no way to counter them without firing Halo rings except from ancient humans race found a cure but it was lost. Flood is literally designed to destroy any species. I don't think that Star Wars would found a cure against Flood. Also you have to consider Gravemind. Gravemind is capable to calculating EVERY possible outcomes and picking one most appropriate to strike as Gravemind can cause any Smart A.I to undergo rampancy. Once he infects one of species from Star Wars, Gravemind would instantly know EVERYTHING about star wars, dooming them. Also Flood numbers are too great for Star Wars to handle as well.

I am sorry but Star Wars loses to Forerunners or Flood, period. However, I'll admit that Star Wars would win against UNSC/Covenant.


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  • 07.11.2011 9:12 PM PDT

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I am sorry but Star Wars loses to Forerunners or Flood, period. However, I'll admit that Star Wars would win against UNSC/Covenant.


I am also sorry. I am sorry that I will never listen to Led Zeppelin for the first time again. I am not sorry, however, to say that you can't back up this claim. In the end Star Wars vs Halo comes down to Force vs Precursors, which is Unstoppable Force vs Object of Questionable at best Movability. So saying that Flood and Forerunners beat the SW universe is just outright poor debatesmanship.

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ay yai yai!!! Kids really dont know crap about star wars... of course Star Wars wins and rapes HALO. how would the covenant, flood or spartan be able to kill a jedi or sith when theyr one with the force. Try and beat the ability of forsight or messing with other beings minds.(even forerunners wouldnt stand a chance).So come on, the star wars space ships -blam!- the Halo ships like a mom stuffing a turky on thanksgiving...hahaha!!! do your research before voting


You do your research.

You seem to know little to nothing about foreruner ships.

Size wise, the largest forerunner ship recorded so far is 100km in length.

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I am sorry but Star Wars loses to Forerunners or Flood, period. However, I'll admit that Star Wars would win against UNSC/Covenant.


I am also sorry. I am sorry that I will never listen to Led Zeppelin for the first time again. I am not sorry, however, to say that you can't back up this claim. In the end Star Wars vs Halo comes down to Force vs Precursors, which is Unstoppable Force vs Object of Questionable at best Movability. So saying that Flood and Forerunners beat the SW universe is just outright poor debatesmanship.


...

I used Cryptum and Halo CE's cutscence of PoA's explosion as source for my argument, also I used several Halo sources for Flood such as Bestarium, Encyclopedia, The Flood and several other sources.

Ask Robert or Grey 101, they will say similar as I did.

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Posted by: raganok99
I used Cryptum and Halo CE's cutscence of PoA's explosion as source for my argument, also I used several Halo sources for Flood such as Bestarium, Encyclopedia, The Flood and several other sources.

Ask Robert or Grey 101, they will say similar as I did.


But you see, those sources don't back your claim. They validate what you are saying as being true to the canon, but they don't make a compelling argument.

And I'm aware of Roberto's position on the subject since we've debated it in basically every Star Wars vs Halo or subsidiary thread that's been on this forum or the Flood. I can also point to people who share my opinion. Multiple people believing the same does not necessarily make it true.

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Posted by: raganok99
I used Cryptum and Halo CE's cutscence of PoA's explosion as source for my argument, also I used several Halo sources for Flood such as Bestarium, Encyclopedia, The Flood and several other sources.

Ask Robert or Grey 101, they will say similar as I did.


But you see, those sources don't back your claim. They validate what you are saying as being true to the canon, but they don't make a compelling argument.

And I'm aware of Roberto's position on the subject since we've debated it in basically every Star Wars vs Halo or subsidiary thread that's been on this forum or the Flood. I can also point to people who share my opinion. Multiple people believing the same does not necessarily make it true.


What are you trying to say?

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: raganok99
I used Cryptum and Halo CE's cutscence of PoA's explosion as source for my argument, also I used several Halo sources for Flood such as Bestarium, Encyclopedia, The Flood and several other sources.

Ask Robert or Grey 101, they will say similar as I did.


But you see, those sources don't back your claim. They validate what you are saying as being true to the canon, but they don't make a compelling argument.

And I'm aware of Roberto's position on the subject since we've debated it in basically every Star Wars vs Halo or subsidiary thread that's been on this forum or the Flood. I can also point to people who share my opinion. Multiple people believing the same does not necessarily make it true.


Um, sources are a essential part of creating arguments. Therefore, sources DO back up any claims, as long it is provided properly.

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Um, sources are a essential part of creating arguments. Therefore, sources DO back up any claims, as long it is provided properly.


They don't back your claim that the Halo universe would destroy the Star Wars universe or anything of that sort. A source will show that what you are saying is fact. The source doesn't make the argument for you, it solidifies the claim you are trying to make by showing that the aspects of that claim are indeed true to the canon of the universe you're arguing for. They're supplementary, they're not something to base an argument on. You use them to give credibility to what you are saying, they don't say anything for you.

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What are you trying to say?


I don't know if I can TL;DR it any more but...

That he can't declare one side the winner in a scenario which has no victory in it, and also a scenario that has many aspects which are still under debate and being re-examined.

Also that he can't support that claim of the outcome with flawed arguments and by pointing to other people who share similar views.

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