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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?

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  • 09.01.2011 4:16 PM PDT

im afraid to say that force powers etc would lead to a victory vs
master chief however if they activated the halo - gg device im sure nobody would win lolololol

  • 09.01.2011 5:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
Remember the explosion from the pillar of autumn? It left a 5km crater. You can calculate the tons neede to do that. Now, the Four cruisers cut canyons on the 1000km wide halo. Canyons? Thats way more than 5km. Some specialized sentinels took some of the shots and absorbed and others sacrificed themselves. Those were sentinels. Now imagine the kind of shields needed to absorb that firepower. Do the math. Also, the flood werent alone. They had mendicant and the precursor. The forerunners didn't simply loose to an infection.

Canyons is a very broad word to use in this debate. We don't know how deep the canyons were, how large, only that they were "canyons". I could take a stick and draw a line in the dirt and call it a canyon. A definition for canyon is a deep valley with steep sides, usually with a river running through it. Deep is the key word there, but it is also subjective. Deep could be a hole ten feet deep a bottomless pit. Canyon is therefore a loose term to base your argument on.


... You couldn't call a little line on the ground a canyon... use your common sense.

Plus this is literature. Canyonlike implies grandeur and specially for a forerunner. For bornstellar/didact to say carving canyonlike gouges then it would mean to be big. Do not forget that to be able to really see them they have to be quite big and since it's about 1000km in length for canyonlike gouges to be carved across it, it would have to be big. I can't seem to calculate the pillar of autumn's explosion detonation. I believe I read somwhere it left a 5km crater. But the explosion was over 100000000 degree celsuis. Also, hard light was keeping the 30000km diamater ring halo when the FOUR cruisers attacked it so not only to disintegrate it would need more firepower due to the size but also more because hard light was keeping it together.
If I had more help I would probably be better at calculating this but I only have myself.

  • 09.01.2011 6:27 PM PDT

My Grandfather was a Desert Ranger, my Father was a Veteran Ranger in the NCR. My father was killed by Caesar's Legion and they took my Brother. It's now my responsibility to uphold the mantle of the Rangers and avenge my Father and find my Brother.

StarWars would win.

  • 09.01.2011 6:30 PM PDT

I've yet to see any specs or similar things for "Hard light" weapons or shields...

  • 09.01.2011 7:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I've yet to see any specs or similar things for "Hard light" weapons or shields...


There aren't any hard numbers.
You have to make so many assumptions that the answer is subjective. (How big is a 'canyon', what is the Halo Ring material made of, was that a full-power shot, etc, etc)

The fact that their fleets can destroy star systems, and their superweapons can depopulate everything within 25,000 light years hands them the win. Their infantry-scale firepower (visible from orbit, deforming continents) strongly implies their ships are very capable though.


Posted by: Tridyrium
Halo has the power to destroy an entire Universe

/thread


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
So does Star Wars...


Oh give over, neither side can destroy the universe.... the stupidity is mindboggling.....


Posted by: Shadroxon
Everyone, let me make this clear.

The Precusors had completely invincible technology that could only be damaged by neural physics, which is available only to Halo. So Stars Wars loses, no question. Don't say "OMG sun crusher and galaxy gun." COMPLETELY INVICIBLE TECH!! That is 100% fact. You can't destroy it.

So shut up, sit down, and stop pretending Star Wars would win!

Not to mention the Flood...


It isn't completely invincible, it can be destroyed by Halo.
Therefore it can be destroyed by at least one method, therefore it isn't invincible. QED.
The fact that the Halo effect can destroy it proves it is vulnerable to the Halo effect, it DOES NOT prove that it is 'invulnerable' to everything else. It is durable, nothing more.


Posted by: Red Bot 6
Also in Empire vs Forerunners maybe the Empire would realize that the only weapon that could stand up to them is the Suncrusher and begin to plate their star destroyers with Quantum-crystalline armour


You mean the armour that was so incredibly hard and expensive to create that it cost the Empire nearly as much to make a Fighter-sized unit as it did a Death Star?
That isn't going to be on ISDs anytime soon, or ever, for that matter.

or they might even capture a Forerunner ship and re-purpose its tech.

Good luck with that.

and besides if you drag a God-faction into the fight Star Wars can do just the same with the Infinite Empire and the Celesitals. I agree with cmdr daefaron we need a set of rules to stop the dragging in of God-factions.

From what we have seen of the Rakata the forerunner would murder them, but lets leave out the Precursor nonsense as we know practically nothing about them.

[Edited on 09.02.2011 4:39 AM PDT]

  • 09.02.2011 4:23 AM PDT
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Halo could lose...

  • 09.02.2011 12:33 PM PDT

Halo would only lose if it was only the Covenant and UNSC.
Forerunner pwns the Galactic Empire, with or without the weapon Halo.
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Posted by: kkrotz
Halo could lose...

  • 09.02.2011 2:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Templar 682
Halo would only lose if it was only the Covenant and UNSC.
Forerunner pwns the Galactic Empire, with or without the weapon Halo.
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Posted by: kkrotz
Halo could lose...


Because forerunners are a god-faction with very little solid information on their tech.

However people seem to just want to spam god-factions for Halo but lock out EVERYTHING superweapon/god faction like in Star wars.

These topics will ALWAYS fail without question if there are no rules.

  • 09.02.2011 2:13 PM PDT

Star Wars would win. If you combine all the star ships from all eras of Star Wars you would get 1,000,000,000+ star ships, counting the Death Star. If you did the same thing in Halo you would get possibly 20,000 to 50,000 star ships. If you were to ignite the Halo array it would be game over, no winners.

If combine all troops from all eras of Star Wars, Star Wars would win. There would be quintillion+ (000,000,000,000,000,000+) troops. The CIS alone had at least one quintillion battle droids. In Halo, if you combine all troops (Foreunners, UNSC, covenant, Precursers and Flood) you would get 500,000,000,000,000+ troopers.

In the end would win, unless Halo array is lit and nobody wins.

  • 09.02.2011 3:05 PM PDT
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Halo

  • 09.02.2011 3:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Fin5434p

or they might even capture a Forerunner ship and re-purpose its tech.

Good luck with that.
You act as if it isn't possible. It is, the Empire have done it on every other occasion.

  • 09.02.2011 5:19 PM PDT


Posted by: A Gray Yoshi
Star Wars would win. If you combine all the star ships from all eras of Star Wars you would get 1,000,000,000+ star ships, counting the Death Star. If you did the same thing in Halo you would get possibly 20,000 to 50,000 star ships. If you were to ignite the Halo array it would be game over, no winners.

If combine all troops from all eras of Star Wars, Star Wars would win. There would be quintillion+ (000,000,000,000,000,000+) troops. The CIS alone had at least one quintillion battle droids. In Halo, if you combine all troops (Foreunners, UNSC, covenant, Precursers and Flood) you would get 500,000,000,000,000+ troopers.

In the end would win, unless Halo array is lit and nobody wins.

Listen, I'm a die hard Star Wars fan but the Empire's millions of ships could not put with the Forerunners Trillions of ships. In terms of troops, the Empire could easily dish out quadrillions in just a few days, I'm not sure about the Forerunner, being able to dish out sentinels in seconds, but still.

  • 09.02.2011 5:21 PM PDT
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UNSC/COVIES V EMPIRE - i am going for UNSC/COVIES. I'm thinking more in terms of inovation/tactics/strategy here rather than made up nerd ratings for weapons and EU force powers and Precursers yada yada.

The rebels defeated the Empire - guerilla tactics, espionage, surgical strikes and bold gambits rather than pitched battles. This to me sounds like how the entire UNSC has been operating for the past few decades. ONI,AIs, Preston Cole, Keyes - all thinkers outside of the box. The Empire on the whole seems more Blitzkrieg - over power enemies in pitched battles. You look at the movies and comics and the ship battles seem to be dead in the water - lets see who can take the most damage type fights. UNSC don't have that luxury - Keyes Loop, pre-seeding battle fields with nuclear mines, electronic warfare via AI's [ships being taken over, life support being terminated, engines being stopped, shields turned off, false sensor readings, self destruct sequences being started],use of auto piloted single ships carrying nuclear payloads, using planets to shield/flank etc. I think these types of tactics, especially if the Covenant adopted it in this joint venture would be devastating; especially with their larger ships that are capable of absorbing MACs and NUKEs from dozens of ships and the sniper type ships that cut through several ships stem to stern with ease.

Speaking of thinking outside the box: Chemical warfare. Not saying this is exclusive to Halo, but apart from in the clone wars and i think Legacy era it doesn't get used much; and not in the way i am thinking anyway. The Mona Lisa shows the UNSC have access/experiment on FLOOD. Drop some samples on several Star Wars worlds simultaneously. That would make the Empire have to expend time/resources curtailing outbreaks, it would lose them ships as entire crews are converted - or would force the loss of ships through self termination. This would very quickly decrease the Star Wars numerical advantage and even make it a liability.

I know people have mentioned Star Wars ships shields and given nerd ratings for them, i just don't buy it. They are always getting boarded with ease. In all of the prequels and many comics i believe single ships just fly into the hangar bays of capital ships, the Millenium Falcon managed to hitch a ride on one by magnetising to its hull. If the shielding is that good surely these single fighters would just be vapourised/explode when they crash onto the shields? They dont - so thats a vulnerability i believe would be exploited greatly. Clone troops, rebels - all pretty much base line human, if they can get past the largley manually operated cannons guarding these ships to land on them you best believe that Spartans, Elites and Brutes with their vastly superior reflexes will be able to board them too - in their droves.

I can understand some people saying no Forunners etc. However there are some hefty 'current' Halo things people could bring up: The Knowing, Onyx sentinels, that Forunner crystal that messed with time, Halo array. The Sentinels/moniters, if brought into this would greatly swing this comfortably in Halo's favour. The production power is ridiculous with just ONE Sentinal factory able to produce 14400 sentinels in a day - if you had more than one of those making ONYX Sentinels you could easily outproduce your enemy in terms of troops - clones/people take time to mature/train - the attrition rate would be hard on the Empire.

A mention to force users...Order 66...standard clones did it. I don't see why snipers at the edge of a city or a firing squad couldn't do the same.

  • 09.02.2011 6:42 PM PDT

Firing squad or snipers wouldn't have the advantage of clouding the Force User's senses or the shock of betrayal.

Also, Star Wars ship battles appear 'dead in the water' because the focus is on FIGHTERCRAFT. Just like how Star Trek ships appear super-agile, it's because they are the only thing being shown.

Let's see which fighters just 'flew into a hanger'. Ep3, they destroy one of the field generators, disabling the shield on the hanger bay. Ep1 they were launching fighters, thus had the hanger shields down. The falcon hitched a ride on the ship because the shields were OFF.

The "nerd ratings" are in fact, canon stats for the weapons and shields of the ships. You all who deny them simply can't accept the canon information of the other side.

[Edited on 09.02.2011 7:13 PM PDT]

  • 09.02.2011 7:04 PM PDT

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In terms of architecture and astro-engineering all of that, halo wins.
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  • 09.02.2011 7:18 PM PDT

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  • 09.02.2011 7:51 PM PDT

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  • 09.02.2011 7:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 100
rawr


And where did that picture come from? Article please.

  • 09.02.2011 8:05 PM PDT

It's not Hip-Hop, its Electro.... prick.

Halo wins because it doesn't have a computer obsessed maniac in charge of it. CGI has driven George Lucas insane!

  • 09.02.2011 8:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Spartan 100
rawr


And where did that picture come from? Article please.

Encyclopedia/art of halo 3.
I would like to tell you that in the forerunner-flood war, they built atleast 0459 shield worlds.

  • 09.02.2011 8:47 PM PDT

Hanger one I just shredded with the SMGs until ammo was out and I just threw 'nades like a boss while BRing.

My experience playing Cairo Station on Legendary

Star Wars, 6 movies and none have disappointed me. 5 Halo titles released, and one is awful and ruins all canon.

  • 09.02.2011 9:07 PM PDT


Posted by: FinishingFUEGO
I can understand some people saying no Forunners etc. However there are some hefty 'current' Halo things people could bring up: The Knowing, Onyx sentinels, that Forunner crystal that messed with time, Halo array. The Sentinels/moniters, if brought into this would greatly swing this comfortably in Halo's favour. The production power is ridiculous with just ONE Sentinal factory able to produce 14400 sentinels in a day - if you had more than one of those making ONYX Sentinels you could easily outproduce your enemy in terms of troops - clones/people take time to mature/train - the attrition rate would be hard on the Empire.


Just to quote, that entire paragraph = forerunner stuff. Therefore is out if you don't have forerunners in the fight.

  • 09.02.2011 11:17 PM PDT
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@CMdr D: RE: 'Dead in the water' it still stands. Thats the approaved method the standard Star Wars tactic. Big ships act as gun emplacements whilst smaller ships defend and harry other ships. Compared to how the UNSC fight less agile. Therefore i see the UNSC/COVY side being able to really damage the Empire with superior space combat.

RE: Forruner stuff: When i said no Forunner stuff i meant none of the 'Cryptum' actually run by Forunners eons ago stuff that people have been crying about that makes this an unfair/pointless debate - Keyships, War Sphinxes etc. I meant, and i believe i did actually say, stuff from the Forunner faction that is still in the 'current' [Reach to Halo 3/4] Haloverse. I only really mentioned them as an aside.

I still believe superior AI's, inventive use of the Flood to create another front/eat away at the enemies resources and strategy in line with what made the rebels sucessful against the Empire will win this for HALO.

As for the Force users. They really are easy to kill. Unless we are talking Old Republic...which i am assuming we aren't because we aren't talking Precursors are we? Then Force users are pathetic. Hell in the era we are talking about for the Empire its pretty much Pals and Vader...most of his darksiders are just flunkies with red lightsabers. I don't see what a Force user will do against all that high speed tungsten flying at them from outside the range of their senses from a dozen angles. Screw it, what the hell are they gonna do against a nuke? UNSC are pretty fond of using those. Force users aren't really anything - HK-47 layed it down nice and simple.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 2:50 AM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 2:45 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

Star Destroyers>any UNSC ship. And possibly superior to Covie ships.

Only the Forerunners could beat Star Wars.

Btw, I remember the 3 year long debate of Halo vs Star Wars on youtube. Good times.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 3:18 AM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 3:16 AM PDT