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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars. Who wins?
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Posted by: Ahriman123
Mandalorians, that is all.

And I shouldn't even have to bring up Yuuzhan Vong, or Darth Sion, or HK-47.

  • 09.04.2011 8:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: InboundHossa10
it's a close call but halo would win. i mean compare the long night of solace to the super star destroyer. And obviously halo has HALO they can just use the halo array to wipe out any
star wars character easy.

I think your forgetting about every single droid like HK-47, IG-88, the Trade Federation droid army, the Star Forge droid army, the Separatist droid army.

  • 09.04.2011 8:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Ahriman123

Posted by: InboundHossa10
it's a close call but halo would win. i mean compare the long night of solace to the super star destroyer. And obviously halo has HALO they can just use the halo array to wipe out any
star wars character easy.

I think your forgetting about every single droid like HK-47, IG-88, the Trade Federation droid army, the Star Forge droid army, the Separatist droid army.
THANK YOU! Dark Troopers as well. Basically Spartans but bigger, faster, stronger, more numerous and far better.

  • 09.04.2011 9:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ahriman123

Posted by: InboundHossa10
it's a close call but halo would win. i mean compare the long night of solace to the super star destroyer. And obviously halo has HALO they can just use the halo array to wipe out any
star wars character easy.

I think your forgetting about every single droid like HK-47, IG-88, the Trade Federation droid army, the Star Forge droid army, the Separatist droid army.
THANK YOU! Dark Troopers as well. Basically Spartans but bigger, faster, stronger, more numerous and far better.

How agile are they anyways and all that and what makes you say that?

Also warrior servants: Higher forms of Warrior-Servants, for example, had extraordinary mental abilities; they could absorb massive amounts of information from one another, share sensory input with thousands of warriors during battle or splinter their their perception of time into several "streams.

But against a powerfull foe, I wonder if the forerunners could set a killer sandfield and when he's in the middle of it, just kill the powerfull foe with sand.

  • 09.04.2011 11:03 PM PDT
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Halo will obviosly win because Master chief would -blam!- up the jedi and -blam!-!!! ;D

  • 09.05.2011 12:31 AM PDT


Posted by: dailydudeo1
Halo will obviosly win because Master chief would -blam!- up the jedi and -blam!-!!! ;D


Plot shields are no match for the power of the force :P.

[Edited on 09.05.2011 12:42 AM PDT]

  • 09.05.2011 12:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ahriman123

Posted by: InboundHossa10
it's a close call but halo would win. i mean compare the long night of solace to the super star destroyer. And obviously halo has HALO they can just use the halo array to wipe out any
star wars character easy.

I think your forgetting about every single droid like HK-47, IG-88, the Trade Federation droid army, the Star Forge droid army, the Separatist droid army.


Droids are nothing compared to what the Forerunners have.

Onyx Sentinels, War Sphinxes, Dreadnoughts (they have whole fleets of these ships, capable of collapsing entire star systems with ease), and much more that has already been said in this argument.

  • 09.05.2011 5:10 AM PDT
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@Cmdr D: No. That makes no sense. They have NO shields on UNSC ships they stand still and slug it out they die. Just because the gun has to be alligned to the target doesn't mean they can't manouver like crazy, remember they can get those smart AIs to run crazy calculations and plan shots that don't mean they have to be sitting ducks.
In Star Wars hacking a ship DOES happen: Star Wars 36 - The Stark Hyperspace War 1 - a navicomputer virus sends ships off course into the hearts of suns and planets - by piggybacking off of a communication signal.
Star Wars Legacy 10 - C.O.L.D droids are used to override the computer of a starship and take control of its firing solutions.
Star Wars Legacy 21: Admiral Stazi takes control of all systems of the ship. Sounds centralised/automated to me, sounds very hackable.
Star Wars ships can be hacked, baffled etc.
Thinking about it Hyperspace can be used against Empire ships. Star Wars ships generally use set Hyperspace lanes, making random jumps can leave you in the middle of planets etc. If the UNSC could pin point those they could mine them and set traps. Also Hyperspace can be effected by real space e.g really large bodies in space - Halo forces could use that to their advanatage, to forcibly rip Empire fleets out into normal space and into deadly traps.
As for the difference in firepower,really? ENTIRE Covenant fleet taking YEARS to glass a planet? WTF man what have you been reading? Star Wars has no fire superiority here. UNSC/Covie weapons will easily be capable of destroying Empire vessels.MACs, pulse lasers, nukes, energy projectors - all will burn the Imps from the skies - especially when guided by superior AI targeting.

  • 09.05.2011 11:15 AM PDT


Posted by: FinishingFUEGO
As for the difference in firepower,really? ENTIRE Covenant fleet taking YEARS to glass a planet? WTF man what have you been reading? Star Wars has no fire superiority here. UNSC/Covie weapons will easily be capable of destroying Empire vessels.MACs, pulse lasers, nukes, energy projectors - all will burn the Imps from the skies - especially when guided by superior AI targeting.
Get Out. You know nothing of Star Wars. Base Delta Zero.

3 Star Destroyers blew the atmosphere clear off the planet Dankayo and slagged the surface after less than an hour. Only reason it took 3 that long to do so was because each was performing double duty of bombardment and blockade, a single ISD could have done it but that would have left the other side of the planet free to evacuate while the side the ISD was pounding was atomized.

UNSC and Covenant weapons wouldn't do much at all really. ISS, ship shields are dual layered, with ray shielding (that stops energy weapons) and particle shielding (that stops mass drivers which are MAC Cannons) that could hold out against superior weapons(Turbolasers) for hours.

Your little Hyperspace trick is cute, but ever heard of the word drone? The Empire tend to have one at their destination prior to stopping. Besides, Hyperdrive is faster than Covenant Slipspace, Covenant ships can reach 912 light years per day but Hyperdrive can travel 150,000 light years per day if not faster depending on the grade and route.

Oh and if you didn't know, the MAC is the strongest firepower the UNSC can muster, a Turbolaser is four times stronger, add to the fact that they have dozens of them on their ships that fire with a fire rate MUCH faster.
Any ship the Empire run into would be gutted in a few seconds, even a Super Carrier.

Imaging having A turbolaser(4 MAC's) along with about 19 others firing with dual barrels or could be three, at a rate of one shot per second? They are gone. End of story.

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  • 09.05.2011 11:31 AM PDT

Now we wouldn't know how this would fare with the Forerunner, but I still agree with the others, I know when the Empire can't win, and the Forerunner is that empire that could defeat them. Millions of ISS can't fare against trillions of Forerunner Dreadnoughts.

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  • 09.05.2011 11:40 AM PDT


Posted by: FinishingFUEGO
@Cmdr D: No. That makes no sense. They have NO shields on UNSC ships they stand still and slug it out they die. Just because the gun has to be alligned to the target doesn't mean they can't manouver like crazy, remember they can get those smart AIs to run crazy calculations and plan shots that don't mean they have to be sitting ducks.


Battle of Reach and the battle beforehand.

UNSC forces stayed in formation, the repair and refit stations took the first blow, then the UNSC fired then MACs.

They remained in formation until they fired a second round, and (not battle of Reach, the other one) only then started breaking formation to track single targets.

I fail to see how you can maneuver like crazy if your nose has to be pointed toward the enemy ship at all times during the MAC gun firing or aiming.

Even if they weren't sitting ducks, Star Wars gunners can hit moving targets a good distance away.

Also, I bet EVERY single hacking case was done IN PERSON. R2-D2 is a prime example. He can hack systems, but to do so he has to physically get plugged in.

Besides, I don't know much of anything about the legacy era other then what I've seen is stupid.

  • 09.05.2011 11:53 AM PDT

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I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

If I can count properly, is this like the fourth time this thread has risen from the dead?

  • 09.05.2011 11:59 AM PDT
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Reach beats GoW!
Reach beats CoD!!
Reach beats everything!!!

The scope and sheer perspective of Halo is much bigger, it just has more grandeur than a galaxy-spanning tale with almost zero mystery and less philosophical meaning than Halo, even taking into account SW expanded universe. I think a better comparison (in terms of story) is the Odyssey series by Arthur C. Clarke. They have just a little bit of common ground and lets you see how amazing a video game story like Halo is. The main story director for the series deserves a Hugo award, lol.

By comparison I mean the theme of the stories, btw. Nothing, NOTHING in science fiction comes even close to what Clarke did in those novels.

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  • 09.05.2011 12:32 PM PDT

Halo, for actually having nuclear weapons. Starwars ships dont even have effective point defense systems, they are constantly hit by fighter aircraft with no resistance. Every battle I seen was at point blank range in starwars, Halo is in thousands of kilometers.

Starwars does have an advantage for being fantasy and can be completely inconsistent, so they could probably pull something stupid out of their ass. They have found a way around conservation of energy already... They could probably break time next or remove gravity. Its not like basic laws of reality apply to them.

Force powers are a joke, not even taken into consideration. Ground troops have no place in future warfare. Infantry dont have a place in modern warfare even.

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  • 09.05.2011 12:33 PM PDT

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I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.


Posted by: Vaenier
Halo, for actually having nuclear weapons.


May I assume that taking nuclear weapons as a somewhat plus for one side is a joke?

Both universe's forces, even almost in some of the lowest tiers have more powerful weaponry then nuclear.

Posted by: Vaenier

They could probably break time next or remove gravity. Its not like basic laws of reality apply to them.


Well, how is Halo doing any better with Precursor tech in it?

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  • 09.05.2011 12:51 PM PDT


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Posted by: Vaenier
Halo, for actually having nuclear weapons.


May I assume that taking nuclear weapons as a somewhat plus for one side is a joke?

Both universe's forces, even almost in some of the lowest tiers have more powerful weaponry then nuclear.

Posted by: Vaenier

They could probably break time next or remove gravity. Its not like basic laws of reality apply to them.


Well, how is Halo doing any better with Precursor tech in it?


1. Mostly because they have no defense against nukes. They have shields to stop projectiles but dont care about any missiles or fighters getting close.

2. Precursors are probably the worst thing to happen to Halo. The universe has gone down hill with recent books and lore, I have mostly given up on it now. It used to be pretty decent hard scifi, only problem was lack of practicality, now I cant even look at it anymore without sighing. Its becoming as crap as Starwars :c

  • 09.05.2011 1:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Vaenier
1. Mostly because they have no defense against nukes. They have shields to stop projectiles but dont care about any missiles or fighters getting close.


Somebody's never played the games or read the books...

  • 09.05.2011 1:02 PM PDT


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Posted by: Vaenier
1. Mostly because they have no defense against nukes. They have shields to stop projectiles but dont care about any missiles or fighters getting close.


Somebody's never played the games or read the books...

Only got 6 movies and Battlefront 2 [awsome game btw] experience in the Starwars universe. Never read any books. I also saw some vids on Force Unleashed 2, those made me feel very sorry for fans.

  • 09.05.2011 1:05 PM PDT

Well, Star Wars does have anti-missile systems, and ships designed to take out fightercraft. The thing is most cap ships (star destroyers and such) have armor plating and shields enough to where fighters don't do as much damage randomly shooting the hull.

  • 09.05.2011 1:09 PM PDT

A NOVA bomb, a pretty simple nuclear device for 500 years in the future, could vaporize a large chunk of the death star and crack the remaining structure into multiple tiny bits. The release of energy is just stupid powerful. You cant just make that energy go away unless you just dont care about reality.

There is nothing wrong with fantasy, its just not my thing and it seems dumb to cheat with that when arguing against a once hard scifi.

  • 09.05.2011 1:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Vaenier
A NOVA bomb, a pretty simple nuclear device for 500 years in the future, could vaporize a large chunk of the death star and crack the remaining structure into multiple tiny bits. The release of energy is just stupid powerful. You cant just make that energy go away unless you just dont care about reality.

There is nothing wrong with fantasy, its just not my thing and it seems dumb to cheat with that when arguing against a once hard scifi.
ONLY IF the shields weren't up. The Death Star shields can withstand the entire Rebel fleets firepower five times over, turbolasers, proton torpedo's, laser cannons, ion cannons, etc...All of that combined is far superior to the NOVA bomb.

Add to the fact the UNSC only had one, and it was a prototype.

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  • 09.05.2011 1:24 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: Vaenier
A NOVA bomb, a pretty simple nuclear device for 500 years in the future, could vaporize a large chunk of the death star and crack the remaining structure into multiple tiny bits. The release of energy is just stupid powerful. You cant just make that energy go away unless you just dont care about reality.

There is nothing wrong with fantasy, its just not my thing and it seems dumb to cheat with that when arguing against a once hard scifi.
ONLY IF the shields weren't up. The Death Star shields can withstand the entire Rebel fleets firepower five times over, turbolasers, proton torpedo's, laser cannons, ion cannons, etc...

1. Magic anti conservation of energy shields.
2. So they just forgot to put their shields up when attacking the heart of the Rebel resistance?
3. Can they shoot through their own magic shields or do they drop them to let their own shots out?
4. How about i just make a visible wavelength laser and call it a day? or maybe a radar laser. I would of tired a infrared laser too but starwars ships dont actually have to deal with heat.

  • 09.05.2011 1:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Vaenier

Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: Vaenier
A NOVA bomb, a pretty simple nuclear device for 500 years in the future, could vaporize a large chunk of the death star and crack the remaining structure into multiple tiny bits. The release of energy is just stupid powerful. You cant just make that energy go away unless you just dont care about reality.

There is nothing wrong with fantasy, its just not my thing and it seems dumb to cheat with that when arguing against a once hard scifi.
ONLY IF the shields weren't up. The Death Star shields can withstand the entire Rebel fleets firepower five times over, turbolasers, proton torpedo's, laser cannons, ion cannons, etc...

1. Magic anti conservation of energy shields.
2. So they just forgot to put their shields up when attacking the heart of the Rebel resistance?
3. Can they shoot through their own magic shields or do they drop them to let their own shots out?
4. How about i just make a visible wavelength laser and call it a day? or maybe a radar laser. I would of tired a infrared laser too but starwars ships dont actually have to deal with heat.

1. What...?
2. That was the Death Star I, it didn't have a planet or moon nearby for a station to project it or have an internal shield system yet.
3. Yes they can shoot through it, they took down capital ships while having it up.
4. What is wrong with you...?

  • 09.05.2011 1:34 PM PDT

If a shield absorbed the energy of a nuke, it would melt the ship inside it. That is conservation of energy. That energy must go somewhere, it cant just disappear.

I enjoy hard scifi. I like stuff being grounded in reality. When I see something in a game or movie, i love exploiting it and making it worthless. Starwars shields do not affect the visible spectrum of light, thus a visible laser would pass through unimpeded. Any frequency the ship uses to see outside for target acquisition can be exploited to shoot back in as if the shield was not there. That is hard Scifi.

Halo used to be decent, but the Orbital MACs really pushed it. Those were atleast still just raw physics at work, the Forerunner stuff is too much.

  • 09.05.2011 1:46 PM PDT