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Subject: UNSC vs SGC

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Poll: UNSC vs SGC  [closed]
United Nation Space Command:  67%
(16 Votes)
Star Gate Comamnd:  33%
(8 Votes)
Total Votes: 24

So let's start a second debate of who would win?!
UNSC vs SGC

The Forerunner vs Ancients is going very nice.

The UNSC has frigates that can shoot MAC rounds that could destroy a Covenant ship. The SGC has 304's that have Asgard beams which can cut a Ori ship into two with ease. Also the 304's have energy shields.

UNSC has Sabres and Long/Shortswords, SGC has 302s

[Edited on 05.04.2011 9:33 PM PDT]

  • 05.04.2011 9:27 PM PDT

I am a huge SG fan, and as much as I would like to believe the Prometheus is invincible I think the UNSC has the upper hand.

Even with the Asgard beam weapons, it is heavily suggested that they are no-where near as powerful as those fitted to Deadalus. Simply due to the fact no Asgard power core, and no ZedPM to power them.

With this in mind UNSC ships of the line are better equipped to fight a war. The advantage SGC has is the 304s are incredibly manoureravble when required, wiping the floor with the UNSC in this regard.

The USNC has greater production facilities, and more experience in space comabt. Longswords "pwn" 302s, no contest.

On the ground it is much the same, UNSC have greater numbers, more experience fighting full-scale combat on alien worlds and better weaponry.

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Posted by: RotaryCookie
I am a huge SG fan, and as much as I would like to believe the Prometheus is invincible I think the UNSC has the upper hand.
Prometheus was KIA over Tegalus. It was also a prototype.

Even with the Asgard beam weapons, it is heavily suggested that they are no-where near as powerful as those fitted to Odyssey. Simply due to the fact no Asgard power core, and no ZedPM to power them. DERP. Still strong enough to burn through Titanium-A like butter. And the Asgard shields would laugh at the UNSC's weaponry.

With this in mind UNSC ships of the line are better equipped to fight a war. The advantage SGC has is the 304s are incredibly manoureravble when required, wiping the floor with the UNSC in this regard. Better equipped? BALLS. You're conveniently forgetting the Asgard beaming tech. Nuke + beam = dead UNSC ship. SG team in Kull power armor + beam = unstoppable rampage through the UNSC ship. And seeing as how there is no precedent for beaming tech in the Ninth Age of Reclamation... no counters. Also, once again, the Asgard beams help a lot.

The USNC has greater production facilities. Longswords "pwn" 302s, no contest.
This I agree with. F-302s are crud when compared to most spacefighters.

On the ground it is much the same, UNSC have greater numbers & better weaponry.
WHAT?
Zat. Staff weapon. Staff CANNON. FN P90 w/armor piercing naquadah tipped rounds. SCAR-H w/same rounds. M60 w/same rounds. M82s w/same rounds. The prototype NAQUADAH GENERATOR powered Energy Sniper.
Spartans? Try Kull Armor. Also that plasma dispersion armor.

But fine, say the UNSC win on the ground. They'd get pasted in space. Even worse once the Tau'ri cap a few UNSC ships. Upgrade those...

[Edited on 05.05.2011 8:14 AM PDT]

  • 05.05.2011 8:14 AM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: RotaryCookie
I am a huge SG fan, and as much as I would like to believe the Prometheus is invincible I think the UNSC has the upper hand.
Prometheus was KIA over Tegalus. It was also a prototype.

Oh, and there was me thinking it was MEANT to fly about in two peices.
Seriously, F**K off, I was making a semi-witty remark showing my affections for Prometheus.



Even with the Asgard beam weapons, it is heavily suggested that they are no-where near as powerful as those fitted to Odyssey. Simply due to the fact no Asgard power core, and no ZedPM to power them. DERP. Still strong enough to burn through Titanium-A like butter. And the Asgard shields would laugh at the UNSC's weaponry.


Ah, Odyssey, may bad.
I can't argue this point, but neither can you as SG shields have no canon strength, as they fit the plot. At it's weakest UNSC ships would crush the SGC's "fleet".




With this in mind UNSC ships of the line are better equipped to fight a war. The advantage SGC has is the 304s are incredibly manoureravble when required, wiping the floor with the UNSC in this regard. Better equipped? BALLS. You're conveniently forgetting the Asgard beaming tech. Nuke + beam = dead UNSC ship. SG team in Kull power armor + beam = unstoppable rampage through the UNSC ship. And seeing as how there is no precedent for beaming tech in the Ninth Age of Reclamation... no counters. Also, once again, the Asgard beams help a lot.


No.
As we don't know how beaming tech works you cannot say "Beam beats all" The Wraith blocked it after a single engagement and we know UNSC frigates are outfitted with advanced EM warfare equipment. (see: LNoS)
Kull power armour has never been used in that context, I remember a canon reason as to why but it alludes me. Convinient plot to stop uber SG team granted but canon never the less. Something to do with it being fused to the host.






The USNC has greater production facilities. Longswords "pwn" 302s, no contest.
This I agree with. F-302s are crud when compared to most spacefighters.







On the ground it is much the same, UNSC have greater numbers & better weaponry.
WHAT?
Zat. Staff weapon. Staff CANNON. FN P90 w/armor piercing naquadah tipped rounds. SCAR-H w/same rounds. M60 w/same rounds. M82s w/same rounds. The prototype NAQUADAH GENERATOR powered Energy Sniper.
Spartans? Try Kull Armor. Also that plasma dispersion armor.

But fine, say the UNSC win on the ground. They'd get pasted in space. Even worse once the Tau'ri cap a few UNSC ships. Upgrade those...


MA5C, twice the kinetic energy, and significantly greater range than most of those weapons.

The M99 guass rifle much? The one in active service with the UNSC.

SPARTANS outclass kull warriors so much it's not funny. Kull warriors are better than regular humans, but as the show progressed they became more and more easily killed. I take that as them not being the all powerful soldiers they were slated to be.

  • 05.05.2011 9:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: RotaryCookie
I am a huge SG fan, and as much as I would like to believe the Prometheus is invincible I think the UNSC has the upper hand.[/quote] Prometheus was KIA over Tegalus. It was also a prototype.[/quote]
Oh, and there was me thinking it was MEANT to fly about in two peices.
Seriously, F**K off, I was making a semi-witty remark showing my affections for Prometheus.[/quote] Prototype, meaning it was a testbed for a Tau'ri ship.

Even with the Asgard beam weapons, it is heavily suggested that they are no-where near as powerful as those fitted to Odyssey. Simply due to the fact no Asgard power core, and no ZedPM to power them. DERP. Still strong enough to burn through Titanium-A like butter. And the Asgard shields would laugh at the UNSC's weaponry.


Ah, Odyssey, my bad.
I can't argue this point, but neither can you as SG shields have no canon strength, as they fit the plot. At it's weakest UNSC ships would crush the SGC's "fleet".


So we're going by absolute low end? You didn't say that. But every time the shields have taken a hit, it was from a energy weapon. Projectiles might just bounce off.


With this in mind UNSC ships of the line are better equipped to fight a war. The advantage SGC has is the 304s are incredibly manoureravble when required, wiping the floor with the UNSC in this regard. Better equipped? BALLS. You're conveniently forgetting the Asgard beaming tech. Nuke + beam = dead UNSC ship. SG team in Kull power armor + beam = unstoppable rampage through the UNSC ship. And seeing as how there is no precedent for beaming tech in the Ninth Age of Reclamation... no counters. Also, once again, the Asgard beams help a lot.


No.
As we don't know how beaming tech works you cannot say "Beam beats all" The Wraith blocked it after a single engagement and we know UNSC frigates are outfitted with advanced EM warfare equipment. (see: LNoS)
Kull power armour has never been used in that context, I remember a canon reason as to why but it alludes me. Convinient plot to stop uber SG team granted but canon never the less. Something to do with it being fused to the host.
Wraith blocked it because they already had experience with it. (See: Lost Tribe) And you're trying to say that the EM suites on UNSC frigates instantly negate beaming, even though the UNSC has never run into this kind of technology? Derp.

Also, it's been three years since Kull Power Armor has been studied by the scientists at Area 51. We know a human can use the suit(Vala)...but fine, until they actually say/show in the canon that SG teams now have Kull Armor elements, I'll drop it.



The USNC has greater production facilities. Longswords "pwn" 302s, no contest.
This I agree with. F-302s are crud when compared to most spacefighters.







On the ground it is much the same, UNSC have greater numbers & better weaponry.
WHAT?
Zat. Staff weapon. Staff CANNON. FN P90 w/armor piercing naquadah tipped rounds. SCAR-H w/same rounds. M60 w/same rounds. M82s w/same rounds. The prototype NAQUADAH GENERATOR powered Energy Sniper.
Spartans? Try Kull Armor. Also that plasma dispersion armor.

But fine, say the UNSC win on the ground. They'd get pasted in space. Even worse once the Tau'ri cap a few UNSC ships. Upgrade those...


MA5C, twice the kinetic energy, and significantly greater range than most of those weapons.
lol no. Unless you're going by CoD.

The M99 guass rifle much? The one in active service with the UNSC.
You mean the one mounted on the back of the crap tactical vehicle known as the Warthog? The one with the exposed seats? Sorry.
SPARTANS outclass kull warriors so much it's not funny. Kull warriors are better than regular humans, but as the show progressed they became more and more easily killed. I take that as them not being the all powerful soldiers they were slated to be.
Spartan IIIs die like flies. Look at Reach. The Kull soldiers were killed with a DEW reverse-engineered with ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY. So...that obviously means that Kull Warriors can be one shot by your average marine with a Type-52 Directed Energy Pistol/M6D Magnum huh? No. Also, they adapted to the lifeforce scrambler in one episode.

  • 05.05.2011 9:41 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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Now let's say that there's two Earths. One SGC and one UNSC.
So the SGC Earth has little to no orbital defense unless it has some 304's and 302's on it.
Earth's MAC stations could easily whipe out any 304's.
I'm guessing though that if SGC Earth had Atlantis on it, they could probably stand up against a couple MAC rounds.
If the UNSC took the homefleet and attempted to invade SGC Earth, SGC would loose. I'm guessing that even if SGC Earth had all 304s on it including Atlanis, they would loose. Of course they could escape through the Stargate.
Now if the Asgard came into the battle of course UNSC Earth would loose.

  • 05.05.2011 11:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Now let's say that there's two Earths. One SGC and one UNSC.
So the SGC Earth has little to no orbital defense unless it has some 304's and 302's on it.
Earth's MAC stations could easily whipe out any 304's.
I'm guessing though that if SGC Earth had Atlantis on it, they could probably stand up against a couple MAC rounds.
If the UNSC took the homefleet and attempted to invade SGC Earth, SGC would loose. I'm guessing that even if SGC Earth had all 304s on it including Atlanis, they would loose. Of course they could escape through the Stargate.
Now if the Asgard came into the battle of course UNSC Earth would loose.

Atlantis? Well crap, UNSC ships get eaten alive by massed drone fire.

And then there is the ability to put the planet out of phase.

  • 05.05.2011 11:58 AM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Spartan IIIs die like flies. Look at Reach. The Kull soldiers were killed with a DEW reverse-engineered with ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY. So...that obviously means that Kull Warriors can be one shot by your average marine with a Type-52 Directed Energy Pistol/M6D Magnum huh? No. Also, they adapted to the lifeforce scrambler in one episode.


First of all, no they don't. In the books they used SPI, which sucked. In Reach the majority of Spartans (II and III) died, and speaking of which, Spartan II's?

Spartan>pretty much anything Stargate.

  • 05.05.2011 1:45 PM PDT

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If Homeworld Command used the 304s for hit and run tactics and avoided large scale engagements I believe it would be an overwhelming victory for the SGC.

Not to mention, hyperspace is much faster and more accurate than Slipspace and the Stargates allow instantanious travel between planets.

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  • 05.05.2011 2:23 PM PDT

From my limited knowledge of SCG, I'd say them. Didn't they have an 800+ gigaton nuke or something?

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
From my limited knowledge of SCG, I'd say them. Didn't they have an 800+ gigaton nuke or something?

MK IX Naquadria enhanced gatebuster. More like 80 gigatons. Still plenty enough power to bust open UNSC ships when beamed directly in.

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Posted by: Gottalovec4
If Homeworld Command used the 304s for hit and run tactics and avoided large scale engagements I believe it would be an overwhelming victory for the SGC.

Not to mention, hyperspace is much faster and more accurate than Slipspace and the Stargates allow instantanious travel between planets.

Yeah, guerrila warfare FTW. That's pretty much how they fought the Goa'uld in the earlier seasons.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Spartan IIIs die like flies. Look at Reach. The Kull soldiers were killed with a DEW reverse-engineered with ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY. So...that obviously means that Kull Warriors can be one shot by your average marine with a Type-52 Directed Energy Pistol/M6D Magnum huh? No. Also, they adapted to the lifeforce scrambler in one episode.


First of all, no they don't. In the books they used SPI, which sucked. In Reach the majority of Spartans (II and III) died, and speaking of which, Spartan II's?

Spartan>pretty much anything Stargate.

Anybody in an Ancient Personal Shield > Any Spartan.

  • 05.05.2011 4:02 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: USArmyRanger7RB

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Spartan IIIs die like flies. Look at Reach. The Kull soldiers were killed with a DEW reverse-engineered with ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY. So...that obviously means that Kull Warriors can be one shot by your average marine with a Type-52 Directed Energy Pistol/M6D Magnum huh? No. Also, they adapted to the lifeforce scrambler in one episode.


First of all, no they don't. In the books they used SPI, which sucked. In Reach the majority of Spartans (II and III) died, and speaking of which, Spartan II's?

Spartan>pretty much anything Stargate.

Anybody in an Ancient Personal Shield > Any Spartan.


oh I forgot about that. Didn't Shepard shoot McKay? and it didn't affect the shield at all?

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: USArmyRanger7RB

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Spartan IIIs die like flies. Look at Reach. The Kull soldiers were killed with a DEW reverse-engineered with ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY. So...that obviously means that Kull Warriors can be one shot by your average marine with a Type-52 Directed Energy Pistol/M6D Magnum huh? No. Also, they adapted to the lifeforce scrambler in one episode.


First of all, no they don't. In the books they used SPI, which sucked. In Reach the majority of Spartans (II and III) died, and speaking of which, Spartan II's?

Spartan>pretty much anything Stargate.

Anybody in an Ancient Personal Shield > Any Spartan.


oh I forgot about that. Didn't Shepard shoot McKay? and it didn't affect the shield at all?

Not just shot him... tossed him off a balcony.
The shield tanked everything thrown at it... even coffee. XD. And that's the problem.

  • 05.05.2011 8:20 PM PDT