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  • 01.24.2006 1:58 PM PDT
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Bungie doesn't really have a phone number. Would you want your phone number public if you're the company who has made some of the best games ever?

  • 01.24.2006 2:14 PM PDT
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I find this entire issue funny. Not the racism, but it isn't like every race recieves a substantial amount of racism on a daily basis, so I'm pretty much laughing at the fact that you would take this so far. You were banned from the server for the sole reason of autoban. If you wish the take things to court on the account of ignorance by a company than it may be a good idea for you to clear up any ignorance you may have.

Also, merely because the administrater on the server (who is non existant to the fullest exten of my knowledge) doens't mean that he can be an accomplice for mearly not banning someone from playing on his server.

  • 01.24.2006 2:23 PM PDT

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How did we go from, getting farther then anyone else with Microsoft support, to hellbent on suing Bungie? I thought someone was "looking into the issue" (which maybe a lie). I think I missed something along the way. What has got your panties in such a bunch? I hope you are able to reply before you get blacklisted because that is where you are heading.

  • 01.24.2006 3:04 PM PDT
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can some please tell me what this is about and why this guy wants to take bungie to court.
if its about racism then get over it, i hear enough race crap on the servers and i feel the best thing u can do is report the person and get him/her banned. if thats possible.

  • 01.24.2006 3:19 PM PDT
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are you sure you want to do that? you possibly could piss off bungie instead and have them shut down EVERYTHING related to halo pc. they stop paying for servers. they stop offering what little support we have. they tell gearbox to stop hosting their pc forums. they contact gamespy and have them take down their halo pc/ce lobby. you could SCREW US if youre not careful. who knows how much bungie could hate us? to them we might be that middle child who walks around the house with black cloths and make up, listening to grunge or something.

im trying to not be negative but im trying to point out that it may be a very big mistake to try to bring bungie to court.

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  • 01.24.2006 3:22 PM PDT
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from what ive gathered someone insulted him in some way, perhaps involving racism, he tked the guy, then was banned.

the fact that he ignores the fact that he was auto-tk banned.... is just pathetic.

bleeding pathetic.

the sad part is that with our -blam!- justice system he might get away with what he is doing.........

  • 01.24.2006 3:24 PM PDT
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yeah im pretty sure if all halo pc related things got shut off (witch is highly unlikly) becuase u felt the need to cry about something (i no racism is wrong), thousands of people would hate u. he was probably a low life with nothing better to do then act like a child and call people names. and plus u tked him witch is probably the reason he banned u. i have been banned many of times for just playing.

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  • 01.24.2006 3:35 PM PDT
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are you sure you want to do that? you possibly could piss off bungie instead and have them shut down EVERYTHING related to halo pc. they stop paying for servers. they stop offering what little support we have. they tell gearbox to stop hosting their pc forums. they contact gamespy and have them take down their halo pc/ce lobby. you could SCREW US if youre not careful. who knows how much bungie could hate us? to them we might be that middle child who walks around the house with black cloths and make up, listening to grunge or something.


One word: riiiiiiiight *rolleyes*

  • 01.24.2006 3:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Boo_Diddly
are you sure you want to do that? you possibly could piss off bungie instead and have them shut down EVERYTHING related to halo pc. they stop paying for servers. they stop offering what little support we have. they tell gearbox to stop hosting their pc forums. they contact gamespy and have them take down their halo pc/ce lobby. you could SCREW US if youre not careful. who knows how much bungie could hate us? to them we might be that middle child who walks around the house with black cloths and make up, listening to grunge or something.


One word: riiiiiiiight *rolleyes*


what do you mean by that? all im stating is the worst case scenario.
how would you feel when one day you got up to check bungie.net and they announced
"...because of recent events, The Maw and all related Halo PC and CE recourses over the internet have been shut down. We are sorry about any inconvenience but some things are best left off. ... Any one who wants to talk about Halo PC or CE will have to go to The Underground."

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  • 01.24.2006 3:56 PM PDT
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Lol, he wants a phone number, there must be one though. I must say people like you are legends ...

  • 01.24.2006 4:06 PM PDT
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THIS

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Posted by: Boo_Diddly
are you sure you want to do that? you possibly could piss off bungie instead and have them shut down EVERYTHING related to halo pc. they stop paying for servers. they stop offering what little support we have. they tell gearbox to stop hosting their pc forums. they contact gamespy and have them take down their halo pc/ce lobby. you could SCREW US if youre not careful. who knows how much bungie could hate us? to them we might be that middle child who walks around the house with black cloths and make up, listening to grunge or something.


One word: riiiiiiiight *rolleyes*


what do you mean by that? all im stating is the worst case scenario.
how would you feel when one day you got up to check bungie.net and they announced
"...because of recent events, The Maw and all related Halo PC and CE recourses over the internet have been shut down. We are sorry about any inconvenience but some things are best left off. ... Any one who wants to talk about Halo PC or CE will have to go to The Underground."


Will never happen. Bungie has supported the servers this long, why would thsy stop because of some guy? They probably get a billion times worse from xbox live.

  • 01.24.2006 4:57 PM PDT
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yeah i bet theyve got some ridiculous comments about xbox live

  • 01.24.2006 10:12 PM PDT
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the reason we expect nothing of bungie is simply because of this: this game is OLD. they hardly support it anymore. you dont expect new additions to any game that has a sequel.

dont bring up blizzard... no one expected them to release patches for diablo II and starcraft but they do it anyway... damn blizzard is cool.

if youre gonna play an OLD game like halo... accept things the way they are, learn how the game works, and if you cant handle this, go play another game. we dont need to and will not put up with you if you do nothing but make empty threats and rant on about how bungie should support a game that is outdated.

  • 01.25.2006 12:53 AM PDT
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I said it. And yeah, I'm one of those types of people to gloat so...I SAID IT. Last year I said if Bungie didn't clean up their act, they'd find themselves spending face time with a lawyer.

Unfortunatly, Halo PC is now too old. It has reached the status of legacy software, something that is too outmoded to compete with newer "versions" of itself, and so will no longer be supported. Oh, if there were a security issue to your PC because of Halo, then they might release a new patch. But turning on FF or fixing the servers to provide clean language and fair play? Nope.

My advice. Save the money you were going to spend on that lawyer and buy a better system. Drop Halo (its a memory eater anyway) out of your hard drive for the newer titles, the better games out there today. Battlefield 2, the latest Diablo, Doom and Halflife 2. If you want to know that the game will be supported, go with MMOs and MMORPGs: Guild Wars, World Of Warcraft, Everquest 2. Graphics are better, the last two have 24 hour moderating and all have regular support and patches with new content and fixes for issues as well as some type of bug reporing system. Thats what I did. I only come in here to check my guides for new questions (which I found out are now locked so even that is a waste of my time). Toodles Maw; it was a fun ride.

Stear clear of Microsoft when you can. They don't make the best software, and they damn sure don't make the best games (keep in mind, the Halo everyone loves--Halo1--was created by Bungie before it was bought out and swallowed whole by M$. That Bungie is dead, digested and buried now. Only the name remains.

The NEW Bungie is a subsidiary of M$, and so integral to their keeping consoles alive that the idea of them spending time on a PC game is downright silly. You know what I mean by consoles; those little toddler toys just about everyone in the Maw has outgrown.

Fair warning though: if you stick with FPS online games, expect to see a lot of TKers, rascist 13 year olds, and hackers. They're everywhere. While these companies may have a moral obligation to protect their users from them, they do not--as yet--have a legal one. Who knows; maybe you'll bring on some new legislature in that department--

*waits for the rest of the Maw to stop "booing" him for egging n0d3z320 on*

--and make online gaming a better place for eveyone. Not today, not tomorrow, but years and years (and many thousands of dollars) and years from now.

To everyone out there in Haloland

Play Fair, Good Gaming, and Goodbye

"-" Minis Sign

  • 01.25.2006 3:59 AM PDT

I have a similar complaint. My father is an android. He is part of a sinister android plot to take over the universe. The thing is, he was picked up for speeding the other day, but the police only charged him for speeding; the speed camera didn't pick up on him being an android!

I went to see my local member of parliament about the issue, but he just said some rubbish about the speed camera being an automatic device which measures velocity, and can't pick up whether or not the driver is an android.

I can only come to the conclusion that the police, the speed camera, and the government itself are all part of this android plot, because they haven't arrested him yet! Therefore I am appealing to the United Nations Security Council to place sanctions against my country, until the government starts screening all individuals for robotic parts.

TSIAJ. Thankyou, you don't need to point out that the android plot is ludicrous and baseless, while racist and hateful remarks are witnessed by many people (then again, I haven't seen any of this behaviour while playing Halo PC; maybe it's the servers I play on). However, to sue Bungie because the automatic team-killing detection system doesn't pick up on hateful remarks is just as ludicrous as expecting speed cameras to be able to detect whether a person is an android or not. Bungie supplies a service by keeping these servers online. This service is to provide a means by which players can play their game in a relatively lag-free environment without having to set up dedicated servers of their own. Bungie is not required to employ people to constantly monitor whether or not people are "playing nice" on their servers, and it would be uneconomical to do so. You have no case against Bungie, as Bungie is not legally required to monitor the behaviour of people on their servers, just as you would not be legally required to monitor a dedicated server you set up yourself, if you were so inclined.

On to the proposed communications harassment law you brought up. I'm not an expert on United States law, so don't quote me here. However, in this case, Bungie is not liable for the actions of the users of its service. If you are harassed through any communications service as you are, this law would mean that you can take legal action against the individual who is harassing you, not the provider of the service through which you are being harassed (as far as I know, and as far as common sense would dictate). For example, were an individual to harass you via a regular telephone, you would have no case against the corporation that owns the phone line infrastructure. Likewise, you can't sue your internet service provider if somebody sends you unwanted emails, nor would you have a case against, say, Microsoft, if you received the emails from a Hotmail email account.

Bungie provides these servers as a courtesy. They don't make money from them, and the costs of running them are significant. Blaming Bungie for the conduct of other individuals who are using Bungie's free service sounds like something out of a Monty Python sketch, and this situation would be hilarious if it weren't so very real, and you weren't so convinced of Bungie's liability here.

- Reiginko

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  • 01.25.2006 5:32 AM PDT

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Wow! Some long frickin posts in here. Hey node, if you need to bark up the tree and see what comes out go ahead. However, if barking gives you anxiety attacks, ulcers and other physical ailments, you NEED to stop barking. It ain't worth it not for a frickin game. I LOVE this game. Only a few games (Icewind Dale, Civilization and Pirates) have grabbed me like this one has. But I recognize that it is Bungie's red-headed step child. Is it right? No. Can we do something about it? Doubt it. I'd like to see a segment on G4TV or in Gamerpro mag or PC Gamer about the poor treatment of this game. I think that would get there attention more then anything else because it's tarnishing there image and that might effect future sales. And THAT scares companies more then anything. I'd like to see you put your effrort into contacting reporters for mags and shows and trying to get articles printed and such. I'm going to put my effort into making these forums into a good community that we all can enjoy despite Bungie's neglect.

  • 01.25.2006 6:40 AM PDT
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im sure someone has pissed bungie off before and they've kept supporting... so why would they stop now just cuz of one guy.

  • 01.25.2006 7:17 AM PDT

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I hope it won't take a court order to settle Halo PC issues. The number I found for Bungie (312)-255-9600 is being "checked for trouble" according to the recording on the line. If my lawyer can't contact Bungie directly then I guess he'll have to go through Microsoft. You're all in the same general area anyway, aren't you? I'd like a contact phone number, please.


I wonder how many times I'll have to point this out.

You broke a rule. The rule YOU broke is one that's monitored automatically by servers. You got busted for it. You have no legal case. Perhaps if you weren't so reactionary (as you yourself admitted with mention of ulcers and panic attacks), this wouldn't have happened.

My advice is that perhaps you are not able to handle the stress of online gaming. Perhaps you should seek another avenue of entertainment. I'm sure you're going to write this off as Bungie shrugging of its community (as Mr B so loves to do), but I'm saying this out of concern regarding the health problems you've admitted to having.

There is nothing in the agreement you accepted when you installed Halo PC that claims that Bungie will enforce rules regarding etiquette on Halo PC online, and there's a good reason; it would take an army to enforce such a policy. What has been pointed out is that the Bungie HPC servers are unmonitored, and generally are offered "As-is."

  • 01.25.2006 9:02 AM PDT

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The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: Mr B

Just move on, and accept that bungie have sadly turned into a bunch of less talented, uncaring money grabbers who simply dont have the acre and dedication about their games as they used to.



It's not that they don't care, it's that the people who wrote Halo Mac/PC don't work there anymore. They made out well when they sold out to Microsoft. This happens all the time with small companies that make a great product, the engineers all leave for more money and more opportunity.

Personally, I've seen enough that I think if anyone wants to sue Bungie, go for it. Bungie isn't Bungie, they are Microsoft.

I do think that there is a legitimate claim to "denial of service" when the TKers run rampant. Since I've been playing a long time and have good skillz, the Tkers don't bother me much, as I own them usually. But for the average player it must be very frustrating.

  • 01.25.2006 11:59 AM PDT

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