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  • 05.07.2011 9:57 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Yes, it is canon, the problem is that most things that are there and would not be canon elsewhere were to balance the gameplay (Spartans having shields and the likes)

  • 05.07.2011 9:58 AM PDT
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I'm wondering, because it years and years before reach fell, and the flood wasnt discovered until The flood. It seems as if the flood was even mentioned before H1, Cortana, the smartest AI in the UNSC, would know about it.


We knew since IRIS that ONI somehow know of the flood prior to installation 5 (it was in a update i still have yet to find).

The SoF found the flood, made it back years later and where detained by ONI. thus we have a good side story that doesn't mess up a single thing.

  • 05.07.2011 10:01 AM PDT


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Posted by: SuperShrimp4
I'm wondering, because it years and years before reach fell, and the flood wasnt discovered until The flood. It seems as if the flood was even mentioned before H1, Cortana, the smartest AI in the UNSC, would know about it.


We knew since IRIS that ONI somehow know of the flood prior to installation 5 (it was in a update i still have yet to find).

The SoF found the flood, made it back years later and where detained by ONI. thus we have a good side story that doesn't mess up a single thing.


Problem with the 'making it back'.

A: That ship had several thousand people. You can't 'detain' that many.
B: There was NO FTL drive on the ship. It'd take an incredibly long time to get back to ANY other planet.
C: If it was true, then Cortana and Halsey could have easily found out, both being in ONI and looking through their files.

  • 05.07.2011 10:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: SuperShrimp4
I'm wondering, because it years and years before reach fell, and the flood wasnt discovered until The flood. It seems as if the flood was even mentioned before H1, Cortana, the smartest AI in the UNSC, would know about it.


We knew since IRIS that ONI somehow know of the flood prior to installation 5 (it was in a update i still have yet to find).

The SoF found the flood, made it back years later and where detained by ONI. thus we have a good side story that doesn't mess up a single thing.


Problem with the 'making it back'.

A: That ship had several thousand people. You can't 'detain' that many.
B: There was NO FTL drive on the ship. It'd take an incredibly long time to get back to ANY other planet.
C: If it was true, then Cortana and Halsey could have easily found out, both being in ONI and looking through their files.


if they didn't know of the spartan 3's until it was 2 late doubt they'd know about the floods from halo wars

  • 05.07.2011 10:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: SuperShrimp4
I'm wondering, because it years and years before reach fell, and the flood wasnt discovered until The flood. It seems as if the flood was even mentioned before H1, Cortana, the smartest AI in the UNSC, would know about it.


We knew since IRIS that ONI somehow know of the flood prior to installation 5 (it was in a update i still have yet to find).

The SoF found the flood, made it back years later and where detained by ONI. thus we have a good side story that doesn't mess up a single thing.


Problem with the 'making it back'.

A: That ship had several thousand people. You can't 'detain' that many.
B: There was NO FTL drive on the ship. It'd take an incredibly long time to get back to ANY other planet.
C: If it was true, then Cortana and Halsey could have easily found out, both being in ONI and looking through their files.


It did? I don't know of any human warship that has thousands of people on it.

Cortana doesn't have access to everything, this was shown a few times in TfoR and FS when she was denied access to very very classified info.


As for your other points i suggest you read the Mona Lisa and then tell me and the others who have read the story that they didn't make it back.

And if you read it and still don't think they did, read it until you find a more logical answer.

  • 05.07.2011 10:51 AM PDT

Okay then, explain this. How would the Spirit of Fire, with NO FTL capabilities (they were working on a replacement, but that would take a while from spare parts), get back to a populated world from the middle of nowhere? Or even find a FTL drive and get back to Reach before it fell?

I've read the Mona Lisa. The exact date isn't labeled, only the month from memory. Due to the forerunner time-bending crystal on Reach, Chief got back to Earth before then. Also, from memory, ONI had no -blam!- clue what was infecting the Elite, simply knowing it was deadly and tried to experiment.

[Edited on 05.07.2011 10:55 AM PDT]

  • 05.07.2011 10:53 AM PDT
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Okay then, explain this. How would the Spirit of Fire, with NO FTL capabilities (they were working on a replacement, but that would take a while from spare parts), get back to a populated world from the middle of nowhere? Or even find a FTL drive and get back to Reach before it fell?


your being over dramatic with this, you really are.

We don't know where the SoF is for all we know they could be 10 light years from reach or next door to rubble, we don't know.

So if cortana can drop a beacon Telling the chief it will be years before they are found, the same can be said for the SoF. the only difference is the soF was lost at the start of the war, thus the UNSC has the resources to look for them something they don't have for the chief.

I don't know how they got back nor did i ever said i do. we just know they do get back. that is all.

serously, read the mona lisa and drink a sprite.

  • 05.07.2011 10:57 AM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.

its canon because the UNSC never found out aout the flood untill halo because
The Spirit of Fire had to use it's FTL drive to cause the sn to super nova, there for killing the flood, the forrunner ships, and the Spirit of Fire can't get back in good amount of time. So because they ended the series of halo wars with them mising in action, then it doesn't mess up the canon :)

  • 05.07.2011 10:59 AM PDT

I read the Mona Lisa, and.

Lopez verbally interrogates Smith, who reluctantly reveals that experiments were being conducted on Covenant prisoners with an unknown infection,

UNKNOWN being keyword.

Also, the Spirit of Fire was declared "Lost with all hands." Meaning at that point, there would be no searching for it.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

I've read the Mona Lisa.
I don't understand how you have read the story and haven't come to the revelation that they made it back.

You are honestly the only person to have that issue.

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Posted by: SuperShrimp4
I'm wondering, because it years and years before reach fell, and the flood wasnt discovered until The flood. It seems as if the flood was even mentioned before H1, Cortana, the smartest AI in the UNSC, would know about it.


We knew since IRIS that ONI somehow know of the flood prior to installation 5 (it was in a update i still have yet to find).

The SoF found the flood, made it back years later and where detained by ONI. thus we have a good side story that doesn't mess up a single thing.


Problem with the 'making it back'.

A: That ship had several thousand people. You can't 'detain' that many.
B: There was NO FTL drive on the ship. It'd take an incredibly long time to get back to ANY other planet.
C: If it was true, then Cortana and Halsey could have easily found out, both being in ONI and looking through their files.

A: Learn what the SoF knows, then fire a couple of Archer missiles into the ship's engines and other critical systems. Fits well into ONI's cloak and dagger modus operandi.

B: That's a good point. What if ONI found it, or some other civilian vessel?

C: Paper files. Seems a bit low tech, but still...

  • 05.07.2011 11:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I read the Mona Lisa, and.

Lopez verbally interrogates Smith, who reluctantly reveals that experiments were being conducted on Covenant prisoners with an unknown infection,

UNKNOWN being keyword.

Also, the Spirit of Fire was declared "Lost with all hands." Meaning at that point, there would be no searching for it.


you really trust that? This is what ONI does Cmdr.


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can someone tell me what happened in the mona lisa?

  • 05.07.2011 11:02 AM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.

read the Halo 2 manual that came with the game. It has Cortana debriefing about halo and the flood. I think it was ONI she was talking to. That was the earliest at the time that the UNSC (as a whole) learned about the flood.

[Edited on 05.07.2011 11:07 AM PDT]

  • 05.07.2011 11:04 AM PDT


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can someone tell me what happened in the mona lisa?


ONI, invistaging the Alpha halo debris, found an elite infected by the flood. Not knowing what it was (Because if they had guess what fellas? It wouldn't have gotten out!), they expiramented on it and ended up in a mini-flood outbreak.

Also, ONI may be 'cloak and dagger' but killing several THOUSAND people from MANY departments, AFTER getting all the information = BULL-blam!-.

  • 05.07.2011 11:05 AM PDT
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can someone tell me what happened in the mona lisa?


Somehow ONI was able to get to installation 5 before john even got back to reach. not only were they at installation 5, they had a prisoner ship they were using to experiment with the flood.

meaning that ONI knew about the flood before john did, which means they knew about them from years. Which means the SoF got back in some fashion and told ONI

  • 05.07.2011 11:06 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

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can someone tell me what happened in the mona lisa?


Somehow ONI was able to get to installation 5 before john even got back to reach. not only were they at installation 5, they had a prisoner ship they were using to experiment with the flood.

meaning that ONI knew about the flood before john did, which means they knew about them from years. Which means the SoF got back in some fashion and told ONI


Actually, if you bothered with the fact the forerunner crystal on Reach screwed up with TIME, resulting in chief getting back to Earth earlier.

Also, ONI, if they honestly knew about the flood, would have not allowed such an outbreak to occur. They would know how -blam!- deadly it was and thus, prevent it from ever reaching that stage by causing a self-destruct.

  • 05.07.2011 11:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I read the Mona Lisa, and.

Lopez verbally interrogates Smith, who reluctantly reveals that experiments were being conducted on Covenant prisoners with an unknown infection,

UNKNOWN being keyword.

Also, the Spirit of Fire was declared "Lost with all hands." Meaning at that point, there would be no searching for it.


The ONI major clearly knew it was a Flood Infection. He was saying unknown infection as part of his tipical game of ''It's not the truth, but it's not a lie''.

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can someone tell me what happened in the mona lisa?


Somehow ONI was able to get to installation 5 before john even got back to reach. not only were they at installation 5, they had a prisoner ship they were using to experiment with the flood.

meaning that ONI knew about the flood before john did, which means they knew about them from years. Which means the SoF got back in some fashion and told ONI


Actually, if you bothered with the fact the forerunner crystal on Reach screwed up with TIME, resulting in chief getting back to Earth earlier.

Also, ONI, if they honestly knew about the flood, would have not allowed such an outbreak to occur. They would know how -blam!- deadly it was and thus, prevent it from ever reaching that stage by causing a self-destruct.


you can't bring the time crystal into it because we don't know exactly how the events were..."altered" by that. So we are probably going to have to ask frankie to explain that for us.

You act like they let the infection happen. Yes they purposely infected some elites and humans but how else could they experiment? I can honestly say they didn't know what exactly could go wrong.

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Also, ONI may be 'cloak and dagger' but killing several THOUSAND people from MANY departments, AFTER getting all the information = BULL-blam!-.

UNSC Apocalypso. What happened there? ONI sure broke the rules...

Hell, the CIA would probably do that...

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so oni new about the flood but didn't know all the details like john,crotana etc so did they find it just after john and co left?

[Edited on 05.07.2011 11:18 AM PDT]

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so oni new about the flood but didn't know all the details like john,crotana etc so did they find it just after john and co left?


No.

they knew of the flood and the details. and they were at installation 5 days after it was destroyed

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but wasn't john and them there first?

  • 05.07.2011 11:23 AM PDT

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