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Subject: Is Halo Wars canon?


Posted by: grey101

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so oni new about the flood but didn't know all the details like john,crotana etc so did they find it just after john and co left?


No.

they knew of the flood and the details. and they were at installation 5 days after it was destroyed


Yet, they were utter retards and had no containment system.

Man, for a sneaky INTELLIGENCE branch of the UNSC, ONI is quite stupid.

Oh, and yeah, it'd take many, many years, if not DECADES for them to reach any place to get a new slipspace drive. People seem to forget how -blam!- VAST space is.

[Edited on 05.07.2011 11:28 AM PDT]

  • 05.07.2011 11:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SlummyZeru
so oni new about the flood but didn't know all the details like john,crotana etc so did they find it just after john and co left?


No.

they knew of the flood and the details. and they were at installation 5 days after it was destroyed


Yet, they were utter retards and had no containment system.

Man, for a sneaky INTELLIGENCE branch of the UNSC, ONI is quite stupid.

Oh, and yeah, it'd take many, many years, if not DECADES for them to reach any place to get a new slipspace drive. People seem to forget how -blam!- VAST space is.

*makes a joke about military intelligence*

  • 05.07.2011 11:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SlummyZeru
so oni new about the flood but didn't know all the details like john,crotana etc so did they find it just after john and co left?


No.

they knew of the flood and the details. and they were at installation 5 days after it was destroyed


Yet, they were utter retards and had no containment system.

Man, for a sneaky INTELLIGENCE branch of the UNSC, ONI is quite stupid.

Oh, and yeah, it'd take many, many years, if not DECADES for them to reach any place to get a new slipspace drive. People seem to forget how -blam!- VAST space is.


ONI (as far as i know) doesn't have a pre-history on the flood thus they don't know how dangerous they are.

I am disappointed in your linear thinking as you are normally getting other people to think straight.

And the end of the credits serinia said "something has happened" which could mean anything.

Maybe a UNSC ship came within range, they found another shield world, they found a covenant ship. maybe they were contacted by the UNSC etc.

I don't understand why you keep posting about a slipspace drive seeing how the events of reach don't happen for another 20 years.

they could easily find some remote planet or forerunner installation (that would then be found by the covenant plot wise) and then find some way home.

Stop thinking so linear.

  • 05.07.2011 11:34 AM PDT

Um, ONI might not have a history, but they'd have all the data from the spirit of fire, including how rapidly it can spread and how dangerous it was.

The major part of the theory is that the Spirit of Fire just 'disappeared' after it was recovered and all the people on board never were allowed to go back to their families.

ONI may be sneaky, but it is not evil.

  • 05.07.2011 11:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um, ONI might not have a history, but they'd have all the data from the spirit of fire, including how rapidly it can spread and how dangerous it was.

The major part of the theory is that the Spirit of Fire just 'disappeared' after it was recovered and all the people on board never were allowed to go back to their families.

ONI may be sneaky, but it is not evil.


The SoF vaguely encountered the flood, the main focus of the game was the covenant. they didn't get a master chief library revelation, they just know the flood is dangerous and that is about it.

To be honest that isn't something that is relevant into the idea holding up at all. They wuoldn't let them go back to their familys because

1. you can't tell everybody that somebody is dead and then give them back 20 years later seeing how people move on

2. Suppose 20 years later somebodys wife/husband accepted that the other was dead and remarried and had kids. think of the trama from that (cast away much?)

3. not to mention that some people would surly leak information just like ellen did to her dad. The last thing ONI wants is people knowing of a parasite that would be more concern than the covenant


Just like in WW2 how ever wrong it is National (or in this case humanity) security > personal rights

  • 05.07.2011 11:44 AM PDT

What about the Spartans? They'd inform their squadmates and Halsey about it.

Also, the information they got was more then enough, firsthand encounters with it, scans, etc.

I believe at one point they mention (in the logs) that they were burning bodies simply to prevent the flood from spreading.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What about the Spartans? They'd inform their squadmates and Halsey about it.

Also, the information they got was more then enough, firsthand encounters with it, scans, etc.

I believe at one point they mention (in the logs) that they were burning bodies simply to prevent the flood from spreading.


The spartans wouldn't do that, Kurt didn't say much to kelly and fred on Onyx. not to mention they follow protocol and wouldn't give away info like that.

I think that was the covenant doing that in Halo CE, though i do remember seeing something like that also. You might wanna dig that up.

  • 05.07.2011 11:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

I've read the Mona Lisa.
I don't understand how you have read the story and haven't come to the revelation that they made it back.

You are honestly the only person to have that issue.
no i also have that issue

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

I've read the Mona Lisa.
I don't understand how you have read the story and haven't come to the revelation that they made it back.

You are honestly the only person to have that issue.
no i also have that issue


What do you need explained?

  • 05.07.2011 1:27 PM PDT

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Yes, whether you like it or not. I, personally, love Halo Wars and its story.

  • 05.07.2011 3:20 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SuperShrimp4
I'm wondering, because it years and years before reach fell, and the flood wasnt discovered until The flood. It seems as if the flood was even mentioned before H1, Cortana, the smartest AI in the UNSC, would know about it.


We knew since IRIS that ONI somehow know of the flood prior to installation 5 (it was in a update i still have yet to find).

The SoF found the flood, made it back years later and where detained by ONI. thus we have a good side story that doesn't mess up a single thing.


Problem with the 'making it back'.

A: That ship had several thousand people. You can't 'detain' that many.
B: There was NO FTL drive on the ship. It'd take an incredibly long time to get back to ANY other planet.
C: If it was true, then Cortana and Halsey could have easily found out, both being in ONI and looking through their files.


It did? I don't know of any human warship that has thousands of people on it.

Cortana doesn't have access to everything, this was shown a few times in TfoR and FS when she was denied access to very very classified info.


As for your other points i suggest you read the Mona Lisa and then tell me and the others who have read the story that they didn't make it back.

And if you read it and still don't think they did, read it until you find a more logical answer.


I don't think the Spirit of Fire was found either. In fact, most people I've seen on here don't hold to anything similar to your theory :/

The events of the Mona Lisa are set after Chief and Cortana have made it back to Earth from Installation 04 (which is where the events of the Mona Lisa take place, btw, not Installation 05). In fact, IIRC, Rebbecca even shows the captain of the Red Horse data acquired by Chief and Cortana about the Flood while on Alpha Halo.

Also, even if ONI had intel on the Flood from the Spirit of Fire, how would they have found Alpha Halo?

  • 05.07.2011 5:43 PM PDT

From Halopedia, it lists the crew compliment of a Phoenix Class colony ship (Which the SoF was) to be 11,000.

  • 05.07.2011 5:49 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

I'm still waiting for the Halo Wars sequel! :P The Legendary ending, "Captain, something has happened!" makes me want another Wars more then ever now.

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Be nice to noobs..Remember even MLG players were noobs at one point.

Let me ask you something.

Ever lost your car keys or something simple like that?

Did you forget about them and just happen to stumble across them without purposely looking for them?

The same can be said about SoF. Who's to say that the SoF after having drifted for a few years didn't come into the path of a battle group passing through a random system, or a ship that had initiated the Cole Protocol and made a random jump landing them within range of the SoF's beacon?

So you do know what they say about assuming right?




Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I read the Mona Lisa, and.

Lopez verbally interrogates Smith, who reluctantly reveals that experiments were being conducted on Covenant prisoners with an unknown infection,

UNKNOWN being keyword.

Also, the Spirit of Fire was declared "Lost with all hands." Meaning at that point, there would be no searching for it.

  • 05.07.2011 7:51 PM PDT

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The Spirit of Fire never made it back. Even if it did, ONI would have to had made the Flood extremely top secret.
But yet Halo Wars is canon.
Spartans having shields is strictly gameplay.

  • 05.07.2011 8:27 PM PDT

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  • 05.07.2011 8:47 PM PDT


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The Spirit of Fire never made it back. Even if it did, ONI would have to had made the Flood extremely top secret.
But yet Halo Wars is canon.
Spartans having shields is strictly gameplay.


Also, even they did find the Spirit of Fire and learned of the Flood, how would they have found Alpha Halo? And even then, there would have been much more stringent security protocols in place on the Mona Lisa to prevent a Flood outbreak.

  • 05.07.2011 8:52 PM PDT


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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The Spirit of Fire never made it back. Even if it did, ONI would have to had made the Flood extremely top secret.
But yet Halo Wars is canon.
Spartans having shields is strictly gameplay.


Also, even they did find the Spirit of Fire and learned of the Flood, how would they have found Alpha Halo? And even then, there would have been much more stringent security protocols in place on the Mona Lisa to prevent a Flood outbreak.


My point exactly.

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The Spirit of Fire never made it back. Even if it did, ONI would have to had made the Flood extremely top secret.

And what better way of doing that then to destroy the whole ship and everybody on it... prevent word of this leaking out to the rest of humanity.

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wow the thread's become what did or didn't oni do etc

  • 05.07.2011 9:25 PM PDT


Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The Spirit of Fire never made it back. Even if it did, ONI would have to had made the Flood extremely top secret.

And what better way of doing that then to destroy the whole ship and everybody on it... prevent word of this leaking out to the rest of humanity.


Again, contrary to popular belief, ONI is not EVIL.

Besides, that's a tactically massive stupid move.

I mean, Spirit of Fire had 11,000ish people on board. In addition to massive stores of ammo, vehicles, base supplies, etc.

Destroying it WEAKENS the UNSC.

  • 05.07.2011 9:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The Spirit of Fire never made it back. Even if it did, ONI would have to had made the Flood extremely top secret.

And what better way of doing that then to destroy the whole ship and everybody on it... prevent word of this leaking out to the rest of humanity.


Again, contrary to popular belief, ONI is not EVIL.

Besides, that's a tactically massive stupid move.

I mean, Spirit of Fire had 11,000ish people on board. In addition to massive stores of ammo, vehicles, base supplies, etc.

Destroying it WEAKENS the UNSC.


In other words ONI wouldn't do anything that would weaken the faction they're suppose to be helping.

ONI has done some things that may fall under illegal but to destroy an entire ship and detain the crew something some may consider traitorous?

Considering the size of the Spirit of fire I doubt it's an easy feat to accomplish stealthfully either so you'd have to take the ship somewhere else to be decommissioned or blown up which in itself is a waste of resources.

Also why would ONI withhold information about the flood if they knew it could be something the UNSC might need to know about before hand?

ONI as said in the quote isn't an evil entity though some of their actions may brand them as such they always have the greater good in mind.

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The Spirit of Fire never made it back. Even if it did, ONI would have to had made the Flood extremely top secret.

And what better way of doing that then to destroy the whole ship and everybody on it... prevent word of this leaking out to the rest of humanity.


Again, contrary to popular belief, ONI is not EVIL.

Besides, that's a tactically massive stupid move.

I mean, Spirit of Fire had 11,000ish people on board. In addition to massive stores of ammo, vehicles, base supplies, etc.

Destroying it WEAKENS the UNSC.

How about towing it into slipspace, dropping it out right next to a sun, letting the radiation kill almost everything on board, then dragging the now dead husk back to a UNSC shipyard and fabricating some sort of story... Or hacking into the ship's systems, venting all atmosphere, then taking over the ship themselves...

It's only the people on board that will talk. Dead humans tell no tales.

  • 05.08.2011 12:08 AM PDT

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"No. This means that you have to live life to the fullest. You have one life, live it well. Make sure you die without regrets. Get a new life, new mate, new family. You, out of all people, don't deserve a terrible fate of misery like that. Having nothing to look forward to is good. It makes sure you want to keep on going. Living is a right, not a privilege."

i say halo wars storyline was bull-blam!- compared with the rest of the halos and -blam!- it all up. bungie was left to clean up esembles mess, if they ever bothered to

  • 05.08.2011 12:44 AM PDT

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