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  • Subject: Who would win this one on one battle?

Force choke from a couple thousand miles away like Vader? Dead in seconds.

  • 05.09.2011 2:37 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And another thing: Jedi like Kenobi got cut down by Clones and Droids all the time, more so Clones.


I've never seen him cut down, as in actually shot and killed by a hail of fire, ever in the series. It never happens.

Difference? Bullets are harder to see then plasma, but have the same effect on the human body (relative to the Star Wars universe that is).

How hard the projectile is to see has never made any impact on a Jedi's ability to deflect or dodge it. They don't follow it with the eye, they use the Force and their enhanced reflexes to predict it and act fast enough. And lasers travel at the speed of light, which is a bit faster than bullets. Bullets would give Jedi no problems.

  • 05.09.2011 2:37 PM PDT

They can sense something a mile away can they?

How are you supposed to compare the capabilities of two things when one side can claim to do anything and rationalize it simply by saying "the force"?

[Edited on 05.09.2011 2:43 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 2:39 PM PDT


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And another thing: Jedi like Kenobi got cut down by Clones and Droids all the time, more so Clones.


I've never seen him cut down, as in actually shot and killed by a hail of fire, ever in the series. It never happens.

Difference? Bullets are harder to see then plasma, but have the same effect on the human body (relative to the Star Wars universe that is).

How hard the projectile is to see has never made any impact on a Jedi's ability to deflect or dodge it. They don't follow it with the eye, they use the Force and their enhanced reflexes to predict it and act fast enough. And lasers travel at the speed of light, which is a bit faster than bullets. Bullets would give Jedi no problems.



He said like Kenobi, not Kenobi himself.

And they don't use lasers, they use blasters, which by the very fact you can see the individual bolts travel through the air means they don't travel anywhere near the speed of light, if the did no one would ever miss anything.

  • 05.09.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Omanisat
They can sense something a mile away can they


They can sense things across the Galaxy if the events are big enough.

How are you sopposed to capare the capabilities of two things when one side can claim to do anything and rationalize it simply by saying "the force"?

Well, the Force is up on the level of the most powerful weapons in sci-fi. So yeah, I suppose it's not really fair pairing off the two in a battle, but it's been done, so go with it.

He said like Kenobi, not Kenobi himself.

My mistake in hasty reading.

And they don't use lasers, they use blasters, which by the very fact you can see the individual bolts travel through the air means they don't travel anywhere near the speed of light, if the did no one would ever miss anything.

Well, the blasters fire particle beams. Lasers are actually old tech in Star Wars, and Plasma Blasters are much less common in distribution. The standard Blaster that would have been firing at a Jedi would have fired a particle beam.

A good example for a comparison of speed is lightning, which is a "particle beam." Lightning moves at about fifty kilometers a second. The fastest rounds in the world are under 5000 feet per second. Now we can maybe try to give the Haloverse and UNSC some credit and guess that (despite all evidence) they've made some improvements to technology and have faster rounds and that maybe the particle beams from the blasters could be a little slower. They still won't clock in as fast as the blaster.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 2:56 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 2:43 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
If he's as strong as Obi-Wan, then the Spartan. Obi-Wan is an outrageous sword dueler for a Jedi (being a Guardian) and would likely walk all up and down the Arbiter in a CQB. But at range, he's less so, especially since blocking a bullet is not the same as blocking a bolt of plasma.


You are right, it's not the same.

Instead of the bolt being reflected, the bullet simply vaporizes upon impacting the blade.

And yeah, people seem to not notice how damn powerful the force can be, or what tactics can be used.

And the one guy seems hell-bent on making the Spartan win by randomly giving him things outside of the situation provided.

  • 05.09.2011 2:46 PM PDT

I keep adding things because the original match up is completely unfair for the Spartan to begin with. Obviously he's going to lose against a Jedi if all he has is an MA5, no magic for him.

I do seem to recall an ugly green hammerhead Jedi getting plugged at short range by Jango in the Clone Wars movie.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 2:53 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 2:51 PM PDT

Because he was focused on something else (Dooku) and Jango was rapid-firing at close quarters.

  • 05.09.2011 3:21 PM PDT

Frag grenade's are distracting, especially when rolled between legs and allowed to fill someone's ass with shrapnel. And rapid-firing at close quarters is what the MA5 does best.

  • 05.09.2011 3:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Omanisat
Frag grenade's are distracting, especially when rolled between legs and allowed to fill someone's ass with shrapnel. And rapid-firing at close quarters is what the MA5 does best.


However, when thrown the grenade would simply be pushed back, or cut in half by the lightsaber.

and that's if the Spartan still has the assault rifle. Force pull, saber throw, force crush (for a darksider). Numerous ways to disable the Spartan.

  • 05.09.2011 3:34 PM PDT

I put the laughter in manslaughter

a lightsaber is good, and so is the force, but a quick burst of AR fire is something a jedi couldnt handle.

  • 05.09.2011 3:46 PM PDT


Posted by: ZachUSAman
a lightsaber is good, and so is the force, but a quick burst of AR fire is something a jedi couldnt handle.


Oh? The Jedi couldn't dodge the bullets? Or simply block them (thus vaporizing the bullets.)

Seems that people think the jedi would either stand still or walk toward the Spartan in a straight line.

  • 05.09.2011 3:51 PM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

A Jedi/Sith would annihilate any Spartan.

  • 05.09.2011 4:05 PM PDT


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And another thing: Jedi like Kenobi got cut down by Clones and Droids all the time, more so Clones.


I've never seen him cut down, as in actually shot and killed by a hail of fire, ever in the series. It never happens.

Difference? Bullets are harder to see then plasma, but have the same effect on the human body (relative to the Star Wars universe that is).

How hard the projectile is to see has never made any impact on a Jedi's ability to deflect or dodge it. They don't follow it with the eye, they use the Force and their enhanced reflexes to predict it and act fast enough. And lasers travel at the speed of light, which is a bit faster than bullets. Bullets would give Jedi no problems.



Bull. The energy bolts in Wars are not lasers, they're plasma. If they are lasers, they're some of the slowest beams of light I've ever seen. They can also miraculously cut off into bolts of energy rather then a beam.

They in fact travel at about the same speed as a bullet.

Nothing--ever--has ever suggested that the rifles used by Wars soldiers are lasers. Now the turrets on a Republic Dropship, they're lasers.

  • 05.09.2011 4:15 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Bull. The energy bolts in Wars are not lasers, they're plasma. If they are lasers, they're some of the slowest beams of light I've ever seen. They can also miraculously cut off into bolts of energy rather then a beam.

They in fact travel at about the same speed as a bullet.

Nothing--ever--has ever suggested that the rifles used by Wars soldiers are lasers. Now the turrets on a Republic Dropship, they're lasers.


I refer you to a later post of mine where I clarify.

  • 05.09.2011 4:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
If he's as strong as Obi-Wan, then the Spartan. Obi-Wan is an outrageous sword dueler for a Jedi (being a Guardian) and would likely walk all up and down the Arbiter in a CQB. But at range, he's less so, especially since blocking a bullet is not the same as blocking a bolt of plasma.


You are right, it's not the same.

Instead of the bolt being reflected, the bullet simply vaporizes upon impacting the blade.

And yeah, people seem to not notice how damn powerful the force can be, or what tactics can be used.

And the one guy seems hell-bent on making the Spartan win by randomly giving him things outside of the situation provided.


And people overestimate the Force's power in certain areas.

Example: Obi-Wan could not Force Crush an entire armada with a flick of his hand. Being a Guardian, he was a physical athlete and a lightsaber warrior, less so a Force user.

Hell, even a Counseler couldn't do some of the -blam!- people say Jedi/Sith could.

Obi-Wan was just another Jedi with a certain knack for sword fighting. Normal Jedi like him are not anything on the scale of Starkiller, Palpetine or Yoda.

That isn't to say he didn't use the Force, but it always was to get out of situations where he was trapped (blowing Grevious away when he got too close in Ep. III). He never used it as a standard weapon.

And he only ever pulled an enemy's weapon out of their hand when trying to diffuse a situation peacefully (in fact, Vader was the only one I can recall doing that).

These two guys are trying to kill each other. Remember: Obi-Wan is still only human, despite his powers, which only ever gave him an edge in combat, not a wild card.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 4:25 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 4:23 PM PDT


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Bull. The energy bolts in Wars are not lasers, they're plasma. If they are lasers, they're some of the slowest beams of light I've ever seen. They can also miraculously cut off into bolts of energy rather then a beam.

They in fact travel at about the same speed as a bullet.

Nothing--ever--has ever suggested that the rifles used by Wars soldiers are lasers. Now the turrets on a Republic Dropship, they're lasers.


I refer you to a later post of mine where I clarify.


I saw that after I made that post; sorry ):

  • 05.09.2011 4:24 PM PDT

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an automatic weapon fires too fast for a ligtsaber to block. all the MC would have to do is fire an SMG erratically all over the Jedi, and at least some of the shots would hit him/her. And seeing as jedi/sith don't typically wear armor that would be enough to kill him.

  • 05.09.2011 4:27 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
If he's as strong as Obi-Wan, then the Spartan. Obi-Wan is an outrageous sword dueler for a Jedi (being a Guardian) and would likely walk all up and down the Arbiter in a CQB. But at range, he's less so, especially since blocking a bullet is not the same as blocking a bolt of plasma.


You are right, it's not the same.

Instead of the bolt being reflected, the bullet simply vaporizes upon impacting the blade.

And yeah, people seem to not notice how damn powerful the force can be, or what tactics can be used.

And the one guy seems hell-bent on making the Spartan win by randomly giving him things outside of the situation provided.


And people overestimate the Force's power in certain areas.

Example: Obi-Wan could not Force Crush an entire armada with a flick of his hand. Being a Guardian, he was a physical athlete and a lightsaber warrior, less so a Force user.

Hell, even a Counseler couldn't do some of the -blam!- people say Jedi/Sith could.

Obi-Wan was just another Jedi with a certain knack for sword fighting. Normal Jedi like him are not anything on the scale of Starkiller, Palpetine or Yoda.

That isn't to say he didn't use the Force, but it always was to get out of situations where he was trapped (blowing Grevious away when he got too close in Ep. III). He never used it as a standard weapon.

And he only ever pulled an enemy's weapon out of their hand when trying to diffuse a situation peacefully (in fact, Vader was the only one I can recall doing that).

These two guys are trying to kill each other. Remember: Obi-Wan is still only human, despite his powers.


No, I wasn't saying Obi-wan could crush a fleet.

Thing is, we aren't talking about Obi-wan. We are talking about a force user, Jedi, Grey jedi, Dark jedi, sith, whatever. Of similar strength to Obi-wan.

Simply put, saying "They wouldn't use force pull because Obi wan didnt." is bull. I'm looking at this with ALL the powers they could use.

  • 05.09.2011 4:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Darthbill99
an automatic weapon fires too fast for a ligtsaber to block. all the MC would have to do is fire an SMG erratically all over the Jedi, and at least some of the shots would hit him/her.

Just firing at the Jedi on full auto would be enough. The recoil randomly knocking aim slightly off target combined with the high rate of fire of automatics would be enough to overpower the jedi.

  • 05.09.2011 4:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: Darthbill99
an automatic weapon fires too fast for a ligtsaber to block. all the MC would have to do is fire an SMG erratically all over the Jedi, and at least some of the shots would hit him/her.

Just firing at the Jedi on full auto would be enough. The recoil randomly knocking aim slightly off target combined with the high rate of fire of automatics would be enough to overpower the jedi.


If the force user was retarded and stood still, or moved in a straight line... yes.

  • 05.09.2011 4:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Nameless Oracle

Posted by: Darthbill99
an automatic weapon fires too fast for a ligtsaber to block. all the MC would have to do is fire an SMG erratically all over the Jedi, and at least some of the shots would hit him/her.

Just firing at the Jedi on full auto would be enough. The recoil randomly knocking aim slightly off target combined with the high rate of fire of automatics would be enough to overpower the jedi.


If the force user was retarded and stood still, or moved in a straight line... yes.

The spartans reflexes are good enough to keep the force user in his sights. Of course that still doesn't guarantee a win for the spartan I'm just arguing for the underdog here, but as long as the spartan has a gun this is a coin toss.

  • 05.09.2011 4:45 PM PDT

A Spartan is fully capable of compensting for movement by his target. I remember a scene from episode 3. It was during the great Jedi hunt. That council member with the big forehead was leading a squad of clones on an ice world when the order came through. The guy stopped like 3 or 4 blaster bolts before he got overwhelmed, which doesn't bode well for stopping the rounds from an MA5, which fires a much faster round at a much faster rate.

  • 05.09.2011 4:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Omanisat
A Spartan is fully capable of compensting for movement by his target. I remember a scene from episode 3. It was during the great Jedi hunt. That council member with the big forehead was leading a squad of clones on an ice world when the order came through. The guy stopped like 3 or 4 blaster bolts before he got overwhelmed, which doesn't bode well for stopping the rounds from an MA5, which fires a much faster round at a much faster rate.


Actually, he deflected a good number more then 3 or 4, standing still, before dying to an ENTIRE squad, firing at him.

He even deflected several back into the squad.

Again, you all treat that as if it's a normal situation. HINT, it wasn't The jedi overall were taken by surprise, and were unprepared.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 4:57 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 4:55 PM PDT