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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Sigma617
Omnistat, ROBERTO, y'all are being quite the Freedom fighters for our resident super soldiers. good job Gentlemen.
The fact of the matter here, is that this would be an incredible fight for both sides. Now the Jedi has considerable advantages but Spartans are the best warriors I've ever seen to be produced by humanity.
Dae Farron. I don't appreciate how you give the edge to the Jedi as if a Spartan would die with the sweep of the hand. Almost as if he was a common volunteer stormtrooper. That notion is offensive. I am not trying to diminish the abilities of a Jedi (or force user, as "Jedi" seems to be taking flak for being the wrong term here) But if a Spartan were to fight an average Jedi( As this thread's OP implies.), the Spartan should and will win. This is my opinion of course.
Apreciated.
Now a Jedi a little higher up on the food chain--Mace Windu, whose purple lightsaber, last I heard, implies he's dabbled in both the light and dark sides of the Force and maintained his light affiliation--would probably step on any single Spartan or Elite. If what I know of purple blades is true, Mace IS a jack of all trades.
But even he died. Painfully.
Just as well, we aren't talking about Mace.
I am also no fool to believe that this fight would be entirely one sided. Assuming neither side knows anything about the other, the fight woul also be a learning experience. It partially comes down to who can change tactics and adapt the quickest to new information presented to them on the battlefield.
Of the two, Spartans are built to do that, Jedi are structured around keeping the peace. "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."
--Mace Windu.
Of course, it also is heavily weighted towards who sees who first. If the Jedi sees the Spartan first--most likely--then he'd have time to take cover from the rounds he can't deflect. THEN its a battle.
But the main thing though is, at range using bullets, a Jedi is basically Harry Potter with a sword. He knows a few magic tricks, but can do almost nothing to defend against the bullets.
Lightsaber color meant nothing of their alignment.
Again, we are talking about master level Obi-wan. That's no push-over.
Again, you make the jedi sound like they are weak and pathetic, when One on one is where any force user shines.
Again, you make the force user sound as if they'd go "Derp, let's just stand here!" and discount even the most basic for abilities such as speed, jump, push, pull.
Edit: Reference force user vs opponent.
Anakin vs Obiwan. Obiwan vs Jango. TOR hope trailer. Sure, a spartan may be able to TRACK his opponent, however hitting him? A different story.
I mean, I'll stop making the Spartan seem like a super-easy kill, when you all show the force user doing the "Vader walks toward opponent barely moving lightsaber." If you keep doing that I'll just start saying that the spartan does this. "Opens fire with AR while charging for a melee."
HK-47 himself said a Jedi's biggest downfall in combat is that they rush to get in close, allowing you to shoot them.
And bullets are quite effective on Jedi, apparently, so there's that.
In fact, quite a few of HK's tips on killing Jedi aply to Spartans. Another example is those who do not believe in the Force, or are not connected to it are the best choices to fight those who do/are. And that energy shields are highly effective against lightsabers.
And after reading up on the Kenobi's powers, those he specialized in are of a defensive messure. In fact, Kenobi is highly defensive, brought about by the death of Jinn.
Force push was like a canon ball (as Grevious learned), but his focus seemed to be on mind trick abilities. Almost all of his "Force Resume" so to speak is mind abilities. Dominate mind (Mind trick on steroids) and putting up a shield around his mind to defend against a neuro-agent, etc.
He was also a strong hand-to-hand combatant as well as a pilot.
Here's the issues. The only real threat to a Spartan in a heated combat situation would be Force Push. If Kenobi (or a Force User as powerful as him) gets robbed of his saber, obviously Push is the first option.
But if it gets into a close quaters fist fight, the Force User's done for obvious reasons. No amount of sparring could get Obi-Wan to the skill needed to even think about taking a Spartan in a fight.
Plus the ever present factor that bullets are the best way to kill Jedi.