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Subject: Who would win this one on one battle?

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
A Guardian would likely lose to a Spartan.


Well, just no.

but aren't skilled enough to kill an Elite in a CQB.
You seem to think that being a Consular instantly makes you feeble and useless as a swordsman and that Guardians are simply brute figures with nothing but a shiny sword and some enhanced abilities. You know who was a Consular? Yoda. He was a pretty alright Swordsmam I'd say. Hell, even Qui Gon Jin was one of the best Swordsmen in the Order. They're not video game classes designed to be balanced, they're just titles depending on which area a Jedi will specialize in. It doesn't take away from their ability in any other area.

  • 05.10.2011 2:27 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
A Guardian would likely lose to a Spartan.


Well, just no.

but aren't skilled enough to kill an Elite in a CQB.
You seem to think that being a Consular instantly makes you feeble and useless as a swordsman and that Guardians are simply brute figures with nothing but a shiny sword and some enhanced abilities. You know who was a Consular? Yoda. He was a pretty alright Swordsmam I'd say. Hell, even Qui Gon Jin was one of the best Swordsmen in the Order. They're not video game classes designed to be balanced, they're just titles depending on which area a Jedi will specialize in. It doesn't take away from their ability in any other area.


I'm merely trying to prove a point here. I know they're not classes in a game, I HAVE seen Episode 1. The fight between Yoda and Dooku I don't even consider real because of how it ruined Yoda's character of a peace keeper and that it didn't even look like Dooku was trying. I swear I would have just swung hard left while he was in mid air and cut his little green ass in half.

But of course that likely has something to do with Dooku being a real human being and Yoda being a CGI. Can't see whats not there.

Case in point, I don't recall ever seeing Kenobi--ever--pulling a gun out of someone's hand in heated combat. Not to say he can't do it, but only to say he wouldn't.

And if these powers and abilities could be used so whimsically as you and CDF say they can, why is it mercs, soldiers, clones, and assasins kill Jedi all the time?

Its already blatantly obvious that bullets are highly effective on Jedi. Difference is, a Spartan is a hundred times more skilled then a random pirate with a slug thrower.

Its like the Forerunner thing in the SW V. Halo debate. CDF starts accusing Halo fans of putting out vague abilities and strengths that the Forerunners could do, but cites lack of information.

Here, CDF and others started saying "pull the gun from his hand" amongst other things when I cite lack of information regarding which Force user we're talking about, which would clarify the likely hood of some of these powers. Oh but because this is Star Wars its okay to be vague and run with it, right?

Right. Gotta make sure Star Wars wins people!

  • 05.10.2011 2:42 PM PDT

I'm going from "Force User of Kenobi's skill and power." From that I'm guessing he means "master Obi-wan." and not apprentice or Knight.

So, besides the vague things, I'm simply saying what theorized force user could do, maybe he won't, maybe he will. However, I'm not throwing out random abilities, I'm going off of the most commonly used skills we see.

  • 05.10.2011 3:16 PM PDT

7,777,777splats,headshots,lasers,beatdowns,incenerations,
assasinations,and sticks seven differnet types of kills.... 7,777,777 times each (Thats seven sevens)

Math for idiots
Gun > sword

  • 05.10.2011 3:37 PM PDT

....let me think? magical fantasy universe powers, like Lord of the Rings or 'Hard' science fiction (at least in the Human respect), the SPARTAN would win by putting a single round through the Jedi head after the Jedi realises he has been watching too much Lord of the Rings and convinced himself that magic infact exists...

  • 05.10.2011 3:44 PM PDT

Spartan would win. People who are defending the force-user are basically claiming that they are the jack of all trades when in fact they are not. No Jedi/Sith uses ALL force powers. They use their specialty and barely use it at all in some cases. It all depends on the Jedi/Sith tactics. A spartan would defeat a gaurdian hands down and have a rough time fighting a counselor (though the spartan would still have a chance).

  • 05.10.2011 4:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Saxonaxe
Spartan would win. People who are defending the force-user are basically claiming that they are the jack of all trades when in fact they are not. No Jedi/Sith uses ALL force powers. They use their specialty and barely use it at all in some cases. It all depends on the Jedi/Sith tactics. A spartan would defeat a gaurdian hands down and have a rough time fighting a counselor (though the spartan would still have a chance).


Have you been reading my posts, or are your and my own opinions on this matter just THAT similar?

  • 05.10.2011 5:02 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Saxonaxe
Spartan would win. People who are defending the force-user are basically claiming that they are the jack of all trades when in fact they are not. No Jedi/Sith uses ALL force powers. They use their specialty and barely use it at all in some cases. It all depends on the Jedi/Sith tactics. A spartan would defeat a gaurdian hands down and have a rough time fighting a counselor (though the spartan would still have a chance).


Have you been reading my posts, or are your and my own opinions on this matter just THAT similar?

I totally agree. I was simply trying to clarify for them because a serious emphasis needs to be put on the fact that this specific force user can't simply switch his tactics in the middle of battle to try to counter a specific action.

  • 05.10.2011 5:05 PM PDT

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Erm...an Assault Rifle fires at fifteen rounds per second, I doubt the Jedi could block all those bullets that fast. The Spartan could easily go marksman with the Battle Rifle, or make a makeshift mine out of the Frag Grenade.

  • 05.10.2011 5:10 PM PDT

Gordon Freeman. Combine vs. Covenant is better, Star Wars are a set of mediocre movies. Halo and Half life(2) are great though.

  • 05.10.2011 5:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617
Omnistat, ROBERTO, y'all are being quite the Freedom fighters for our resident super soldiers. good job Gentlemen.

The fact of the matter here, is that this would be an incredible fight for both sides. Now the Jedi has considerable advantages but Spartans are the best warriors I've ever seen to be produced by humanity.

Dae Farron. I don't appreciate how you give the edge to the Jedi as if a Spartan would die with the sweep of the hand. Almost as if he was a common volunteer stormtrooper. That notion is offensive. I am not trying to diminish the abilities of a Jedi (or force user, as "Jedi" seems to be taking flak for being the wrong term here) But if a Spartan were to fight an average Jedi( As this thread's OP implies.), the Spartan should and will win. This is my opinion of course.


That's the thing, if I am taking the OP right, you are facing a Spartan vs a Force User of a skill and power equal to a Jedi Master.

I view myself as not completely dismissing or diminishing the Jedi at all, or the spartan.

However, the defenders of the Spartan seem to be doing just that, making it sound like the Spartan would have no difficulty quickly killing the force user. That viewpoint, IMO, is stupid.

  • 05.10.2011 5:44 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Hmmm... Someone who is bound by the laws of physics and a very loose sense of "Realism" in movement VS someone who can manipulate physics and bend "Realism" to the point of true Sci-Fi.


Hmm.....

  • 05.10.2011 6:05 PM PDT
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De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

Spartan gets wasted and erased from existence due to the sheer advantage the Jedi has over him, and the whole fact that MJOLINR armor sucks.

Put a Promethean in a War Sphinx in this scenario, and the Jedi will die swiftly.

  • 05.10.2011 6:20 PM PDT

A lightsaber cannot be spun fast enough to block 20rps slugs, assuming a distance of only ten feet...Its simple, blaster shots are slow, inaccurate and 'easy' to block for Jedi. Despite how theyre portrayed in Halo games, Bullpup designs (every AR, DMR, BR) are extremely accurate. Obi-Wan would be down in a second.

Assuming an extremely close proximity, when Obi-Wan takes out his lightsaber the Spartan would have already reacted and could easily disarm anyone including force wielders.

Armor? One could speculate that the MJOLNIR shields could take light blows and insignificant slashes from a lightsaber but would break at a direct blow. From then on the actual armor itself would not provide more than surface protection from heat. However this armor provides another weapon. Seeing as Jedi do not traditionally wear armor at all times, any punch delivered by a spartan would easily tear through flesh and bone and instantly sever spine (blow to stomach/chest) if 'Jedi' uses the force to protect himself from blunt blows like this, it would still leave a ton of metal and augmented body to deal with.


JEDI vs. SPARTAN

SPARTAN uses BODY SLAM

he misses...

JEDI uses DODGE

SPARTAN uses AR

its super effective!!!

JEDI faints....

  • 05.10.2011 6:22 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: AbuHarb
A lightsaber cannot be spun fast enough to block 20rps slugs, assuming a distance of only ten feet...Its simple, blaster shots are slow, inaccurate and 'easy' to block for Jedi. Despite how theyre portrayed in Halo games, Bullpup designs (every AR, DMR, BR) are extremely accurate. Obi-Wan would be down in a second.

Assuming an extremely close proximity, when Obi-Wan takes out his lightsaber the Spartan would have already reacted and could easily disarm anyone including force wielders.

Armor? One could speculate that the MJOLNIR shields could take light blows and insignificant slashes from a lightsaber but would break at a direct blow. From then on the actual armor itself would not provide more than surface protection from heat. However this armor provides another weapon. Seeing as Jedi do not traditionally wear armor at all times, any punch delivered by a spartan would easily tear through flesh and bone and instantly sever spine (blow to stomach/chest) if 'Jedi' uses the force to protect himself from blunt blows like this, it would still leave a ton of metal and augmented body to deal with.


JEDI vs. SPARTAN

SPARTAN uses BODY SLAM

he misses...

JEDI uses DODGE

SPARTAN uses AR

its super effective!!!

JEDI faints....

Oh looksies it's a pokemon battle!
In that case,

Jedi uses max revive
Spartan uses motion tracker
Jedi uses force push
Spartan is confused
Jedi uses lightsaber throw.

and on and on. This can go on forever and can easily change side depending on your view.

  • 05.10.2011 7:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617
Omnistat, ROBERTO, y'all are being quite the Freedom fighters for our resident super soldiers. good job Gentlemen.

The fact of the matter here, is that this would be an incredible fight for both sides. Now the Jedi has considerable advantages but Spartans are the best warriors I've ever seen to be produced by humanity.

Dae Farron. I don't appreciate how you give the edge to the Jedi as if a Spartan would die with the sweep of the hand. Almost as if he was a common volunteer stormtrooper. That notion is offensive. I am not trying to diminish the abilities of a Jedi (or force user, as "Jedi" seems to be taking flak for being the wrong term here) But if a Spartan were to fight an average Jedi( As this thread's OP implies.), the Spartan should and will win. This is my opinion of course.


Apreciated.

Now a Jedi a little higher up on the food chain--Mace Windu, whose purple lightsaber, last I heard, implies he's dabbled in both the light and dark sides of the Force and maintained his light affiliation--would probably step on any single Spartan or Elite. If what I know of purple blades is true, Mace IS a jack of all trades.

But even he died. Painfully.

Just as well, we aren't talking about Mace.

I am also no fool to believe that this fight would be entirely one sided. Assuming neither side knows anything about the other, the fight woul also be a learning experience. It partially comes down to who can change tactics and adapt the quickest to new information presented to them on the battlefield.

Of the two, Spartans are built to do that, Jedi are structured around keeping the peace. "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."

--Mace Windu.

Of course, it also is heavily weighted towards who sees who first. If the Jedi sees the Spartan first--most likely--then he'd have time to take cover from the rounds he can't deflect. THEN its a battle.

But the main thing though is, at range using bullets, a Jedi is basically Harry Potter with a sword. He knows a few magic tricks, but can do almost nothing to defend against the bullets.

  • 05.11.2011 5:32 AM PDT

Lightsabre and energy sword at dawn?

Hmm I realy don't know who would win.

  • 05.11.2011 5:53 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

I wonder would a Jedi even be able to block a shotgun shot or assault rifle because of their high spread?Unlike a blaster or plasma rifle.

  • 05.11.2011 5:57 AM PDT

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dr brings up a good point; It depends what type of Spartan II is fighting the Jedi Sith.
Posted by: dr spartan32
Jedis are easier to kill if you don't rush at them like a bloody idiot using a blaster. I'd be a thrilling battle to be sure, but it would all depend on the circumstances, we need parameters, ok.

  • 05.11.2011 5:58 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Sigma617
Omnistat, ROBERTO, y'all are being quite the Freedom fighters for our resident super soldiers. good job Gentlemen.

The fact of the matter here, is that this would be an incredible fight for both sides. Now the Jedi has considerable advantages but Spartans are the best warriors I've ever seen to be produced by humanity.

Dae Farron. I don't appreciate how you give the edge to the Jedi as if a Spartan would die with the sweep of the hand. Almost as if he was a common volunteer stormtrooper. That notion is offensive. I am not trying to diminish the abilities of a Jedi (or force user, as "Jedi" seems to be taking flak for being the wrong term here) But if a Spartan were to fight an average Jedi( As this thread's OP implies.), the Spartan should and will win. This is my opinion of course.


Apreciated.

Now a Jedi a little higher up on the food chain--Mace Windu, whose purple lightsaber, last I heard, implies he's dabbled in both the light and dark sides of the Force and maintained his light affiliation--would probably step on any single Spartan or Elite. If what I know of purple blades is true, Mace IS a jack of all trades.

But even he died. Painfully.

Just as well, we aren't talking about Mace.

I am also no fool to believe that this fight would be entirely one sided. Assuming neither side knows anything about the other, the fight woul also be a learning experience. It partially comes down to who can change tactics and adapt the quickest to new information presented to them on the battlefield.

Of the two, Spartans are built to do that, Jedi are structured around keeping the peace. "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."

--Mace Windu.

Of course, it also is heavily weighted towards who sees who first. If the Jedi sees the Spartan first--most likely--then he'd have time to take cover from the rounds he can't deflect. THEN its a battle.

But the main thing though is, at range using bullets, a Jedi is basically Harry Potter with a sword. He knows a few magic tricks, but can do almost nothing to defend against the bullets.


Lightsaber color meant nothing of their alignment.

Again, we are talking about master level Obi-wan. That's no push-over.

Again, you make the jedi sound like they are weak and pathetic, when One on one is where any force user shines.

Again, you make the force user sound as if they'd go "Derp, let's just stand here!" and discount even the most basic for abilities such as speed, jump, push, pull.

Edit: Reference force user vs opponent.

Anakin vs Obiwan. Obiwan vs Jango. TOR hope trailer. Sure, a spartan may be able to TRACK his opponent, however hitting him? A different story.

I mean, I'll stop making the Spartan seem like a super-easy kill, when you all show the force user doing the "Vader walks toward opponent barely moving lightsaber." If you keep doing that I'll just start saying that the spartan does this. "Opens fire with AR while charging for a melee."

[Edited on 05.11.2011 7:17 AM PDT]

  • 05.11.2011 7:01 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Sigma617
Omnistat, ROBERTO, y'all are being quite the Freedom fighters for our resident super soldiers. good job Gentlemen.

The fact of the matter here, is that this would be an incredible fight for both sides. Now the Jedi has considerable advantages but Spartans are the best warriors I've ever seen to be produced by humanity.

Dae Farron. I don't appreciate how you give the edge to the Jedi as if a Spartan would die with the sweep of the hand. Almost as if he was a common volunteer stormtrooper. That notion is offensive. I am not trying to diminish the abilities of a Jedi (or force user, as "Jedi" seems to be taking flak for being the wrong term here) But if a Spartan were to fight an average Jedi( As this thread's OP implies.), the Spartan should and will win. This is my opinion of course.


Apreciated.

Now a Jedi a little higher up on the food chain--Mace Windu, whose purple lightsaber, last I heard, implies he's dabbled in both the light and dark sides of the Force and maintained his light affiliation--would probably step on any single Spartan or Elite. If what I know of purple blades is true, Mace IS a jack of all trades.

But even he died. Painfully.

Just as well, we aren't talking about Mace.

I am also no fool to believe that this fight would be entirely one sided. Assuming neither side knows anything about the other, the fight woul also be a learning experience. It partially comes down to who can change tactics and adapt the quickest to new information presented to them on the battlefield.

Of the two, Spartans are built to do that, Jedi are structured around keeping the peace. "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."

--Mace Windu.

Of course, it also is heavily weighted towards who sees who first. If the Jedi sees the Spartan first--most likely--then he'd have time to take cover from the rounds he can't deflect. THEN its a battle.

But the main thing though is, at range using bullets, a Jedi is basically Harry Potter with a sword. He knows a few magic tricks, but can do almost nothing to defend against the bullets.


Lightsaber color meant nothing of their alignment.

Again, we are talking about master level Obi-wan. That's no push-over.

Again, you make the jedi sound like they are weak and pathetic, when One on one is where any force user shines.

Again, you make the force user sound as if they'd go "Derp, let's just stand here!" and discount even the most basic for abilities such as speed, jump, push, pull.

Edit: Reference force user vs opponent.

Anakin vs Obiwan. Obiwan vs Jango. TOR hope trailer. Sure, a spartan may be able to TRACK his opponent, however hitting him? A different story.

I mean, I'll stop making the Spartan seem like a super-easy kill, when you all show the force user doing the "Vader walks toward opponent barely moving lightsaber." If you keep doing that I'll just start saying that the spartan does this. "Opens fire with AR while charging for a melee."


HK-47 himself said a Jedi's biggest downfall in combat is that they rush to get in close, allowing you to shoot them.

And bullets are quite effective on Jedi, apparently, so there's that.

In fact, quite a few of HK's tips on killing Jedi aply to Spartans. Another example is those who do not believe in the Force, or are not connected to it are the best choices to fight those who do/are. And that energy shields are highly effective against lightsabers.

And after reading up on the Kenobi's powers, those he specialized in are of a defensive messure. In fact, Kenobi is highly defensive, brought about by the death of Jinn.

Force push was like a canon ball (as Grevious learned), but his focus seemed to be on mind trick abilities. Almost all of his "Force Resume" so to speak is mind abilities. Dominate mind (Mind trick on steroids) and putting up a shield around his mind to defend against a neuro-agent, etc.

He was also a strong hand-to-hand combatant as well as a pilot.

Here's the issues. The only real threat to a Spartan in a heated combat situation would be Force Push. If Kenobi (or a Force User as powerful as him) gets robbed of his saber, obviously Push is the first option.

But if it gets into a close quaters fist fight, the Force User's done for obvious reasons. No amount of sparring could get Obi-Wan to the skill needed to even think about taking a Spartan in a fight.

Plus the ever present factor that bullets are the best way to kill Jedi.

  • 05.11.2011 4:07 PM PDT

Why are you here?

Lightsabers can't block bullets fast enough.


Spartan, unless somehow the Jedi/Sith were fast enough to catch the Spartan off guard, which might be unlikely.

  • 05.11.2011 4:46 PM PDT

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Spartan... unless it's Revan. Then there is a chance.

  • 05.11.2011 5:30 PM PDT