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Subject: Fhajad, René, and the rest of the SPARTAN-II washouts

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From Halsey's Journal:Bodies of augmentation washouts are cryogenically preserved, pending further study. Perhaps one day we'll discover ways to ameliorate or reverse lethal side effects and revive some, if not all, of them. That is my hope.

Reviving these candidates would be fraught with complexities - and not just from a technological perspective. How would they respond to an essentially new world when resuscitated months or even years later?

[...] One thing is certain - ONI would find a use for them.

I've assigned Deja to investigate as-yet theoretical therapies that may resuscitate these washouts as fully functioning Spartans. (One protocol already looks promising: the complete bone restructuring and attendant nanografts to effectively replace the skeletal system system in toto; this may prove especially useful for Rene or Kirk.)
Planning is under way for experimental surgery, therapies, and rehabilitations for more than 80% of the augmentation washouts. Several of these protocols may take years to complete. AIs predict a survival rate of no greater than 50%, but I suspect the Spartans' will to serve - to live again - will radically boost that percentage.

They've always exceeded expectations.
And then, we get this little note in the margins on the page detailing Halsey's briefing with the surviving Spartans for Operation: RED FLAG.
That lie about all the Spartans gathered here, save for Gray - will that come back to haunt me?That last quote is what did me in: was Halsey referring to Jorge and Black Team, or had ONI gone ahead with the experimental rehabilitation on the Spartan washouts?

On that note, is there a possibility that Black Team consisted of rehabilitated/resuscitated Spartans? Looking back at Linda in First Strike, we know for sure that reviving the recently deceased in the Halo Universe isn't out of the question. This begs the question, how advanced were the washouts' side effects, and did ONI go along with reviving them?

I'm pulling at strings here, and I wouldn't be surprised if this were never explored and meant nothing, but I thought it was worth discussing.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 1:47 PM PDT]

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It's also possible that she was refering to the actual gray team, Mike, Jai and that other one I can't remember.

  • 05.09.2011 1:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Omanisat
It's also possible that she was refering to the actual gray team, Mike, Jai and that other one I can't remember.
What was there to lie about? She indirectly references Gray Team in her opening remarks during the briefing for RED FLAG.

Page 240 of The Fall of Reach:"Assembled here tonight," she said, "are all surviving Spartans save three, who are otherwise engaged on fields of combat too distant to be easily recalled."I don't have The Cole Protocol handy, but Gray Team is told they're being sent on a long-term mission deep in enemy territory at the end.

Of all the uncertainties in this idea, I think that part is the most concrete.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 2:10 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 2:10 PM PDT

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What I believe:

BLACK - Taken DURING the augmentations by ONI, and stated they were KIA to the rest of the participants in the Spartan Program, including Halsey.

11 of the 12(soren was MIA) Washouts who survived are what Halsey was referencing. If we exclude Black Team, there are currently 11 Spartan II's over the "33 Survivors" Number.

I don't know why, but I never once considered the fact that the money Halsey diverted from the Class II project would've went to fixing the washouts. I would LOVE to see a story following Fahjad and other washouts and their time under rehab and the missions they were sent on.

  • 05.09.2011 2:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

  • 05.09.2011 2:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.

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There's still 42 ''washouts'' so I would not be surprised there are close to 50 Spartan-II's in active service instead of the original 33.

  • 05.09.2011 2:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: manwith
There's still 42 ''washouts'' so I would not be surprised there are close to 50 Spartan-II's in active service instead of the original 33.


What the hell are you talking about?

33 "graduated"
12 survived yet were crippled.
The other 30 were said to of died.

  • 05.09.2011 2:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
BLACK - Taken DURING the augmentations by ONI, and stated they were KIA to the rest of the participants in the Spartan Program, including Halsey.
That's what I previously thought, and I still think it's plausible.

However, I don't see the point in doing that when, at the time, the entire project was a secret. The surviving Spartans were separated into designated squads anyway, why keep one a secret from the others?

The only things I can really compare it to are the Headhunters, Noble Team, and the suggested teams that were like Noble. Off the top of my head, I don't know if they mentioned the existence of those teams being kept a secret from the other Spartans.

  • 05.09.2011 2:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.


And out of those eleven remaining, we know of Kirk, Rene, Fhajad and Cassandra.

Are there any other washouts that have names?

  • 05.09.2011 3:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.


And out of those eleven remaining, we know of Kirk, Rene, Fhajad and Cassandra.

Are there any other washouts that have names?


No.

Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: privet caboose
BLACK - Taken DURING the augmentations by ONI, and stated they were KIA to the rest of the participants in the Spartan Program, including Halsey.
That's what I previously thought, and I still think it's plausible.

However, I don't see the point in doing that when, at the time, the entire project was a secret. The surviving Spartans were separated into designated squads anyway, why keep one a secret from the others?

The only things I can really compare it to are the Headhunters, Noble Team, and the suggested teams that were like Noble. Off the top of my head, I don't know if they mentioned the existence of those teams being kept a secret from the other Spartans.


I believe BLACK is like the Headhunter team of the II's.

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.


And out of those eleven remaining, we know of Kirk, Rene, Fhajad and Cassandra.

Are there any other washouts that have names?


Nope. We'll just have to wait and see. Out of curiosity where is the name Cassandra mentioned?

  • 05.09.2011 3:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.


And out of those eleven remaining, we know of Kirk, Rene, Fhajad and Cassandra.

Are there any other washouts that have names?


No.


Well, that leaves alot of room for interpretation and speculation on the rest of the washouts.

Knowing ONI, I would agree that BLACK is a team formed from ''washedout'' Spartan II's. Seems alot like what ONI did later with the Spartan III's...

  • 05.09.2011 3:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.


And out of those eleven remaining, we know of Kirk, Rene, Fhajad and Cassandra.

Are there any other washouts that have names?


Nope. We'll just have to wait and see. Out of curiosity where is the name Cassandra mentioned?


Halo 2: Conversations from the universe.

She writes a letter to John.

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: manwith
There's still 42 ''washouts'' so I would not be surprised there are close to 50 Spartan-II's in active service instead of the original 33.


What the hell are you talking about?

33 "graduated"
12 survived yet were crippled.
The other 30 were said to of died.


12+30=42

In other words, 42 ''washouts''.

  • 05.09.2011 3:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.


And out of those eleven remaining, we know of Kirk, Rene, Fhajad and Cassandra.

Are there any other washouts that have names?


Nope. We'll just have to wait and see. Out of curiosity where is the name Cassandra mentioned?


Halo 2 Limited Edition, I belive. She writes a letter to John about her recuperation from the augmentations. She notes ''it is nice to have skin again'' at one point.

Defaeron suggests she is possibly interested in John.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 3:14 PM PDT]

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.


And out of those eleven remaining, we know of Kirk, Rene, Fhajad and Cassandra.

Are there any other washouts that have names?


Nope. We'll just have to wait and see. Out of curiosity where is the name Cassandra mentioned?


Halo 2: Conversations from the universe.

She writes a letter to John.


Oh that's right. It was never dated though was it? Curious to see if it will factor in somewhere down the line as to how long it took the washouts in general to be combat ready or if it was truly a by individual basis when it came to recovery time.

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Out of curiosity where is the name Cassandra mentioned?
I think it was a letter from her to John in that Conversations from the Universe booklet that came with Halo 2's LE.

OT: Black Team in Blood Line was -blam!- terrible. Fred Van Lente should be ashamed.

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: HipiO7
Do we have a number of exactly how many washouts there were? Not the ones that died.

12 washouts.
11, if you remove Soren who went MIA shortly after.


And out of those eleven remaining, we know of Kirk, Rene, Fhajad and Cassandra.

Are there any other washouts that have names?


No.


Well, that leaves alot of room for interpretation and speculation on the rest of the washouts.

Knowing ONI, I would agree that BLACK is a team formed from ''washedout'' Spartan II's. Seems alot like what ONI did later with the Spartan III's...


I'm with Caboose on this one. I don't think Black are rehabilitated washouts. Black team were a squad long before the augmentations. It would be extremely coincidental if all of the members happened to end up crippled. Bit of a long shot if you ask me. It is far more likely that they all survived like the others and were snatched up by ONI.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
I'm with Caboose on this one. I don't think Black are rehabilitated washouts. Black team were a squad long before the augmentations. It would be extremely coincidental if all of the members happened to end up crippled. Bit of a long shot if you ask me. It is far more likely that they all survived like the others and were snatched up by ONI.
That's a good point, but it still leaves the question of what became of the washouts, given what was presented in the OP.

[Edited on 05.09.2011 3:25 PM PDT]

  • 05.09.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
I'm with Caboose on this one. I don't think Black are rehabilitated washouts. Black team were a squad long before the augmentations. It would be extremely coincidental if all of the members happened to end up crippled. Bit of a long shot if you ask me. It is far more likely that they all survived like the others and were snatched up by ONI.
That's a good point, but it still leaves the question of what became of the washouts, given what was presented in the OP.


Indeed. But I mean BLACK more likely to be made of ''washedout'' Spartan II's, as in ones either considered dead or others that were supposibly crippled and were pulled away from the rest of the Spartans. Assigned to other duties, as told to John.

Pretty much the same thing that happend with the Spartan III's and the special operation units that came out of the regular company.

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Who knows, perhaps Jorge ''was crippled from the augmentations'' or really was crippled in fact but was resuscitated but still kept growing due to a side effect from it.

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Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: switch 104 sv
I'm with Caboose on this one. I don't think Black are rehabilitated washouts. Black team were a squad long before the augmentations. It would be extremely coincidental if all of the members happened to end up crippled. Bit of a long shot if you ask me. It is far more likely that they all survived like the others and were snatched up by ONI.
That's a good point, but it still leaves the question of what became of the washouts, given what was presented in the OP.


Indeed. But I mean BLACK more likely to be made of ''washedout'' Spartan II's, as in ones either considered dead or others that were supposibly crippled and were pulled away from the rest of the Spartans. Assigned to other duties, as told to John.

Pretty much the same thing that happend with the Spartan III's and the special operation units that came out of the regular company.

My bad. I think I misunderstood you. ONI would have listed Black as having died during augments as a cover for commandeering them. Is that what you mean by whashouts?

Posted by: manwith
Who knows, perhaps Jorge ''was crippled from the augmentations'' or really was crippled in fact but was resuscitated but still kept growing due to a side effect from it.

I doubt it. I'd say he was another one who "died" during the augments seeing as until meeting her at Castle Base, Dr. Halsey had no knowledge of him which she would have if he was one of her would-be rehabilitated Spartans.

  • 05.09.2011 3:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
I'm with Caboose on this one. I don't think Black are rehabilitated washouts. Black team were a squad long before the augmentations. It would be extremely coincidental if all of the members happened to end up crippled. Bit of a long shot if you ask me. It is far more likely that they all survived like the others and were snatched up by ONI.
That's a good point, but it still leaves the question of what became of the washouts, given what was presented in the OP.


Indeed. But I mean BLACK more likely to be made of ''washedout'' Spartan II's, as in ones either considered dead or others that were supposibly crippled and were pulled away from the rest of the Spartans. Assigned to other duties, as told to John.

Pretty much the same thing that happend with the Spartan III's and the special operation units that came out of the regular company.

My bad. I think I misunderstood you. ONI would have listed Black as having died during augments as a cover for commandeering them. Is that what you mean by whashouts?


Yes. It would fit with ONI's way of acting perfectly.

I have my own theory about this too. But it's mostly on the Spartan III's. It has to do with the Beta Company Spartan III's that disappeared near Zone 67, the whole matter was cut off, and the place fenced and declared off limits. Of course, there is a possibilty it would be a Sentinel, but there is no reason a Sentinel would be out, since the Halo Array still hadnt been activated. I see more an ONI cover up possible.

It sounds more like a cover up to get trainess into special warfare units like NOBLE. I have no doubt ONI would have done the same with the Spartan II's in their time.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
I'm with Caboose on this one. I don't think Black are rehabilitated washouts. Black team were a squad long before the augmentations. It would be extremely coincidental if all of the members happened to end up crippled. Bit of a long shot if you ask me. It is far more likely that they all survived like the others and were snatched up by ONI.
That's a good point, but it still leaves the question of what became of the washouts, given what was presented in the OP.


Indeed. But I mean BLACK more likely to be made of ''washedout'' Spartan II's, as in ones either considered dead or others that were supposibly crippled and were pulled away from the rest of the Spartans. Assigned to other duties, as told to John.

Pretty much the same thing that happend with the Spartan III's and the special operation units that came out of the regular company.

My bad. I think I misunderstood you. ONI would have listed Black as having died during augments as a cover for commandeering them. Is that what you mean by whashouts?


Yes. It would fit with ONI's way of acting perfectly.

I have my own theory about this too. But it's mostly on the Spartan III's. It has to do with the Beta Company Spartan III's that disappeared near Zone 67, the whole matter was cut off, and the place fenced and declared off limits. Of course, there is a possibilty it would be a Sentinel, but there is no reason a Sentinel would be out, since the Halo Array still hadnt been activated. I see more an ONI cover up possible.

It sounds more like a cover up to get trainess into special warfare units like NOBLE. I have no doubt ONI would have done the same with the Spartan II's in their time.

Well there was mention of a glowing red eye which seems very sentinel-like to me. It's possible that a small number of sentinels were active perpetually on watch with the rest awakening when the Halo was activated.

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