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Subject: Should Reach's fleet have retreated to Earth?


Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
They still should have NOVA bombs on their ODPs and actually use them not save them and never use them.


Actually having ODPs launch NOVA bombs would not be very smart, remember what it did to that whole Covenant fleet and that planet in Ghosts of Onyx, it completely destroyed pretty much everything. Firing a NOVA bomb near their own planet would not be smart unless they were being used like Whitcomb was planning, IE leave them there and the completely destroy Reach and the Covenant there.


To be honest the UNSC should have been going on the offensive somewhat instead of pure defense. Personally i would have tried to find atleast 1 covenant planet or mass gathering of ships ships and nova bomb the nearest sun


It is recommended that an attacking force outnumbered the defenders 3-1.
While defending the UNSC required a 3-1 numerical superiority in order to win, therefore would need a 9-1 advantage to win an attack.

Not feasible, and even if it was the UNSC couldn't risk that many ships destroying a single planet or fleet.

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Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Dustin 6047
They still should have NOVA bombs on their ODPs and actually use them not save them and never use them.


Actually having ODPs launch NOVA bombs would not be very smart, remember what it did to that whole Covenant fleet and that planet in Ghosts of Onyx, it completely destroyed pretty much everything. Firing a NOVA bomb near their own planet would not be smart unless they were being used like Whitcomb was planning, IE leave them there and the completely destroy Reach and the Covenant there.


To be honest the UNSC should have been going on the offensive somewhat instead of pure defense. Personally i would have tried to find atleast 1 covenant planet or mass gathering of ships ships and nova bomb the nearest sun


It is recommended that an attacking force outnumbered the defenders 3-1.
While defending the UNSC required a 3-1 numerical superiority in order to win, therefore would need a 9-1 advantage to win an attack.

Not feasible, and even if it was the UNSC couldn't risk that many ships destroying a single planet or fleet.


Attack not assault.


I just feel they should have tried doing suicide mission like the one above, they would have more impact than the missions the SIIIs did.

  • 05.10.2011 11:37 AM PDT

Well, if you think about it, Cortana wouldn't have been taken to the Pillar of Autumn and consequently the ship wouldn't have made the jump to Halo and the whole trilogy would never have occured.

We would have lost, badly!

  • 05.10.2011 11:38 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Attack not assault.


I just feel they should have tried doing suicide mission like the one above, they would have more impact than the missions the SIIIs did.


IMO they would have better spent their resources upgrading all their ships PoA style, and deployed the SIIIs to defend beseiged colonies.

With this they could have mounted a full-scale campaign against the Covenant instead of the isolated skirmishes that were fought.
Not only were the UNSC constantly taken by surprise but they lacked proper fleets as they couldn't predict where the next target would be.


So yes I partly agree with you, I just don't think suicide missions and attempts to wipe out huge numbers of covenant at once are the way to fight them.

  • 05.10.2011 12:05 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

That's in direct violation of the Cole Protocol, isn't it?

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Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: grey101

Attack not assault.


I just feel they should have tried doing suicide mission like the one above, they would have more impact than the missions the SIIIs did.


IMO they would have better spent their resources upgrading all their ships PoA style, and deployed the SIIIs to defend beseiged colonies.

With this they could have mounted a full-scale campaign against the Covenant instead of the isolated skirmishes that were fought.
Not only were the UNSC constantly taken by surprise but they lacked proper fleets as they couldn't predict where the next target would be.


So yes I partly agree with you, I just don't think suicide missions and attempts to wipe out huge numbers of covenant at once are the way to fight them.


The UNSC really didn't have the resources to do that since they were still young space wise.

Had the covenant attacked 100-200 years later it would have been slightly different.

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Personally i would have tried to find atleast 1 covenant planet or mass gathering of ships ships and nova bomb the nearest sun

The Jackal homeworld was a mere 41 ly away. Closer than several colonies. Don't know how good of a target the system would be or what infrastructure the covenant had there, but locating and reaching it should've been possible for the UNSC.

[Edited on 05.10.2011 1:38 PM PDT]

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Personally i would have tried to find atleast 1 covenant planet or mass gathering of ships ships and nova bomb the nearest sun

The Jackal homeworld was a mere 41 ly away. Closer than several colonies. Don't know how good of a target the system would be or what infrastructure the covenant had their, but locating and reaching it should've been possible for the UNSC.


Regardless of those facts, wiping out the entire entire planet would have helped the UNSC.

For those that hated halo 2 on legendary because of the snipers, consider that.

  • 05.10.2011 1:25 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: grey101

Attack not assault.


I just feel they should have tried doing suicide mission like the one above, they would have more impact than the missions the SIIIs did.


IMO they would have better spent their resources upgrading all their ships PoA style, and deployed the SIIIs to defend beseiged colonies.

With this they could have mounted a full-scale campaign against the Covenant instead of the isolated skirmishes that were fought.
Not only were the UNSC constantly taken by surprise but they lacked proper fleets as they couldn't predict where the next target would be.


So yes I partly agree with you, I just don't think suicide missions and attempts to wipe out huge numbers of covenant at once are the way to fight them.


The UNSC really didn't have the resources to do that since they were still young space wise.

Had the covenant attacked 100-200 years later it would have been slightly different.


70+ MJOLNIR
150+ Frigates
50+ Cruisers
12+ Carriers
000's support ships
Millions of soldiers
hundreds of colonies

This is evidence to support the UNSC had a massive resource pool.
Cortana estimates that PoA = 3-4 Cruisers. Therfore a smaller yet more effective Navy would have been much better at waging a war, and defending the colonies, given different tactics than the Navy as it exists in universe.

Not to mention wet navies that are not used to potential at all, Nuclear, biological and chemical warfare conventions that dont apply to aliens and other "cheats" that could be used in a war.


In fact, I am going to research this in depth and see if I can come up with a viable strategy.

Seeing that you are probably going to prove everything I just said false, I would appreciate your thoughts.

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
They should have found the Jackel planet. It doesn't make sence how they didn't.


hmm

Well we do know that high charity was within the sol system some time before the war yet they didn't pick us up.

Not to mention that ONI somehow got to high charity before the fall of reach yet didn't know how to get their for REDFLAG.


something isn't right..

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101

Attack not assault.


I just feel they should have tried doing suicide mission like the one above, they would have more impact than the missions the SIIIs did.[/quote]

IMO they would have better spent their resources upgrading all their ships PoA style, and deployed the SIIIs to defend beseiged colonies.

With this they could have mounted a full-scale campaign against the Covenant instead of the isolated skirmishes that were fought.
Not only were the UNSC constantly taken by surprise but they lacked proper fleets as they couldn't predict where the next target would be.


So yes I partly agree with you, I just don't think suicide missions and attempts to wipe out huge numbers of covenant at once are the way to fight them.


The UNSC really didn't have the resources to do that since they were still young space wise.

Had the covenant attacked 100-200 years later it would have been slightly different.


70+ MJOLNIR
150+ Frigates
50+ Cruisers
12+ Carriers
000's support ships
Millions of soldiers
hundreds of colonies

This is evidence to support the UNSC had a massive resource pool.
Cortana estimates that PoA = 3-4 Cruisers. Therfore a smaller yet more effective Navy would have been much better at waging a war, and defending the colonies, given different tactics than the Navy as it exists in universe.

Not to mention wet navies that are not used to potential at all, Nuclear, biological and chemical warfare conventions that dont apply to aliens and other "cheats" that could be used in a war.


In fact, I am going to research this in depth and see if I can come up with a viable strategy.

Seeing that you are probably going to prove everything I just said false, I would appreciate your thoughts.


in all fairness spartans aren't really useful in space so we can take them off.

Yes a halcyon class vessel is more effective than most classes btu they are slow,huge targets, and cost alot to make hence me saying the UNSC didn't have the resources.

Not to mention even if they did how many would they have? 25-50 maybe 100? to be honest bigger isn't better in space unless you got shields, some damn strong alloy, or you can take ships out before they can even scan you.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Dustin 6047

Posted by: grey101
Well we do know that high charity was within the sol system some time before the war yet they didn't pick us up.


What? When? Who? How?


Halseys journal. there is an image in one of the little photo things of high charity in system pre-war. there was a thread where we talked about this month and months ago.

i think we even knew this before the journal.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Can you quote it from your book? I can decipher it and see if "in system" means the Sol system.


IT wasn't written it is an image taken from mars. not to be rude but this is already old information that was doubled check when we first knew about it. It is a fact that high charity was in the sol system before the war started. You are just going to have to find the threads about it.

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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

The NOVA bomb was still experimental when the Attack on Reach begins. Add to the fact it successfully explodes behind enemy lines, humans would never know about it (unless post war Elites let 'em know, but I doubt it).

Many of the improvements featured in the Halcyon Cruiser were also new, and unless it is stated somewhere there were probably at least a few others.

Taking into account the UNSC had absolutely no intel on the full Covenant fleet size and capabilities until the closing of the war, they had nothing to base any tactics off of. They reacted just as they would have to an insurgent fleet, and learned as they went along.

Had they had more intel pre-war (which apparently the did have a bit, both with what was revealed in the Reach data pads and Halseys journal) they could have effectively geared up the fleet specific for anti-Covenant deployments. This will be the case in a post-Covenant war scenario.

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Posted by: Omanisat
And if they hadn't fought at Reach, all the Covenant ships that would have been destroyed there would have been free to join the attack on Earth.

Can't you read? The OP proposed that they would explode a NOVA. That would be enough to blast the entire Covenant fleet.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: zepedrodel

Posted by: Omanisat
And if they hadn't fought at Reach, all the Covenant ships that would have been destroyed there would have been free to join the attack on Earth.

Can't you read? The OP proposed that they would explode a NOVA. That would be enough to blast the entire Covenant fleet.


To be honest if operation REDFLAG had actually gone and the PoA DID get to high charity.

all it would take is 2 NOVA bombs and that would end it. perminatly.

  • 05.10.2011 3:34 PM PDT


Posted by: zepedrodel

Posted by: Omanisat
And if they hadn't fought at Reach, all the Covenant ships that would have been destroyed there would have been free to join the attack on Earth.

Can't you read? The OP proposed that they would explode a NOVA. That would be enough to blast the entire Covenant fleet.


so what, we save the Covenant the trouble of killing everyone on Reach by doinig it ourselves? Take that evil aliens.

  • 05.10.2011 6:37 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Hmm.... yes i can see giving away Earth's location when the UNSC are unprepared for such an engagement at Earth to be a tactical advantage!

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