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Subject: [Updated] 54 Spartan-IIs who survived augmentation

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Spartans on Reach

Jorge was apart of Noble Team on Reach.

John, Linda and James were above Reach.
James would die and so would Linda (but she was later revived)

In the First Strike reprint, Fred commanded 22 Spartans. 6 were wounded immediately and 4 died from jumping out of the Pelican.
Malcom is one of the Spartans that died from the jump.

Here are all the Spartans that survived the jump

Alpha
Fred
Kelly
Joshua

Beta
Beta Red Actual
Red-15
9 other Spartans

Gamma
Li
Anton
Grace

Delta
Vinh
Isaac
William
3 Unknown

Now a error is that Fred commanded 21 as stated in the First Strike reprint. But 4 died immediately. So that means that there were actually 27 Spartans under Fred's command.

Combining all these numbers, there were a total of 31 Spartan-IIs that participated in the Fall of Reach.


Various

Ralph and Maria were both discharged. It is believed that Maria is the Spartan Halsey mentioned who was too injured to return to active duty. Ralph would later rejoin the UNSC. He would die later at Harvest but wasn't a "Spartan" at the time.

Kurt would be reassigned to train the Spartan-IIIs but would die after Reach.

This brings the total number of Spartans in this category to 2.


MIA

Jai, Adrianna, and Mike are of Team Grey (Gray). They are possibly MIA.

4 Spartans (one named Victor) make up Team Black. They could be KIA but it is never shown or stated.

The Spirit of Fire's Spartans (Alice, Douglas, and Jerome) MIA. Though it should be noted, that they are members of Red Team.
In the Fall of Reach, there are 3 members of Red Team that were apart of Beta Red but where not under Fred's command. Could those three be these three? But due to it being speculation, it will not be counted.

Keichi was last seen on Harvest.

Randall is possibly truly MIA.

Joseph escaped from ONI after augmentations but was soon caught afterwords. His fate is uknown.

Combing these numbers from this category, there were a total of 13

KIA

Daisy, Ralph, and 1 unidentified Spartan died on Harvest. It could be possible Keichi may be the unidentified but he will not be counted as the individual.

Cal died during a assassination mission.

Samuel died early in the war.

Shiela died protecting Halsey.

Arthur and Solomon died trying to rescue Halsey.

2 Spartans commited suicide after seeing their flash clones.

Adding up the Spartans of this category, there were a total of 10 Spartans that died before the Fall of Reach.


TOTAL CLASS-I SPARTAN-IIs

Adding up the numbers from both categories, there must have been a total of 54 Class-I Spartan-IIs that survived the augmentations and were fit for combat. If I have miscounted or left out any information please let me know.

Now I did not count Team Omega as they could have been made up of Daisy, Keichi, John (who was seen on Harvest) and 2 other Spartans.

Also I did not include some Spartans such as Soren as they did survive, but weren't fit for combat.

Now because of the rehab that some of the washouts may have recieved or healed, it would be possible that some of the unknown Spartans could have been some of the rehabilitated. This is most likely due to the fact that there is such a high number of Spartans now. Though it could be possible Beta Red was Class-II S-IIs as they are canon.

[Edited on 05.10.2011 11:24 PM PDT]

  • 05.10.2011 12:08 AM PDT
Subject: [Long Thread] Total number of Spartan-IIs who survived augmentation

Is there a question in that anywhere? (honest question)

  • 05.10.2011 12:52 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: ShmishShmorshin
Is there a question in that anywhere? (honest question)


?

  • 05.10.2011 1:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: ShmishShmorshin
Is there a question in that anywhere? (honest question)


?

I think he means is there a question in that post that we're meant to discuss.

  • 05.10.2011 1:17 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Ya. I said that if there's any errors in my OP please state them.

  • 05.10.2011 1:19 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

bump

  • 05.10.2011 8:41 AM PDT

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Relevant thread I made months ago in regards to SPARTAN-II and III status'.

[Edited on 05.10.2011 9:05 AM PDT]

  • 05.10.2011 9:05 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: King Nis085
Relevant thread I made months ago in regards to SPARTAN-II and III status'.


Well thanks but this is about how many S-IIs there were in the war, which is 54. At first I thought it was in the 30s but after I counted them it's 54.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: King Nis085
Relevant thread I made months ago in regards to SPARTAN-II and III status'.


Well thanks but this is about how many S-IIs there were in the war, which is 54. At first I thought it was in the 30s but after I counted them it's 54.


wouldn't 50 be the max since that was the number of spartan IIs to start with?

  • 05.10.2011 10:52 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

no, it was 75. There was a pool of 300 candidates which was narrowed down to 150. Only 75 were abducted (though it should have been 76 but one candidate escaped from the ONI guys)

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
no, it was 75.
Your right, its been awhile since i talked about this

  • 05.10.2011 11:06 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Now it's never specifically said when Beta Red might have died, so the total number of Spartans may be higher or lower.
Note that in First Strike, a member of Beta Red is with Fred. It could be possible that he was one of the members of Beta Red that was rescued, or like I stated above, it could take place before that.

  • 05.10.2011 11:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Now it's never specifically said when Beta Red might have died, so the total number of Spartans may be higher or lower.
Note that in First Strike, a member of Beta Red is with Fred. It could be possible that he was one of the members of Beta Red that was rescued, or like I stated above, it could take place before that.


to be honest Beta red was used so if new spartans where introduced they could somehow later end up to be one of the 11 in this group.

Naturally i like to put OMEGA team from halo wars in this group, which leaves 8 other spartans.

  • 05.10.2011 11:21 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

I stated earlier that Omega could have been the following:
Daisy
John
Keichi
1 Unnamed Spartan who was killed
1 Unknown Spartan

The Unknown Spartan could be anybody from Kelly, Fred, Linda, etc. Daisy, John, Keichi, and the killed Spartan were all on Harvest.

  • 05.10.2011 12:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: King Nis085
Relevant thread I made months ago in regards to SPARTAN-II and III status'.


Well thanks but this is about how many S-IIs there were in the war, which is 54. At first I thought it was in the 30s but after I counted them it's 54.


Um, I don't understand what you mean? If you look at my OP in that thread it lists the SPARTAN-II's and when/where they died. Obviously, the one's listed as "MIA" are considered alive still during the War - and the obvious once that we know of.

  • 05.10.2011 1:14 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Well for one you pretty much directly copied from Halopedia.
You didn't include all of Beta Red, along with the other Spartans from Homecoming.
My information is the most accurate.

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I remember...I was there...and survived

  • 05.10.2011 1:32 PM PDT

So, of the surviving SPARTANS, how many are not named or identified?

  • 05.10.2011 1:39 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

Now I would like to decrease my final number.
I have several theories that could make the total number of Spartans decrease.
For example, as I stated, there are 3 unknown members of Beta Red that were NOT under Fred's command when they jumped out of the Pelican. Beta Red was on Reach during it's Fall, both before Aug. 30 and after. This is supported by the Radio Chatter and First Strike.
Now we see at the end of Halo Wars, that Serina states "something has happened."
"Something" could be anything. Covenant ship found them, they arrived at a human colony.
Now my theory is that those 3 members could be the 3 members of Red Team that are on the Spirit of Fire that somehow got onto Reach.
To me this is the most likely case. But because it's just a theory, I will not count it towards the final count. If I did, the number would drop to 51 Spartans.

The biggest confusion is just between Fred's 21 Spartans and the 11 Spartans of Beta Red. I am going to look into this a little bit further to try to come up with a more accurate answer. It could be a multiple answer, like +-54 kinda answer.

  • 05.10.2011 1:45 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
So, of the surviving SPARTANS, how many are not named or identified?


All of the surviving Spartans are named and identified. It's believed Beta Red is dead but there is a slim chance that they are dead. But let's go with the evidence that they're dead.

  • 05.10.2011 1:47 PM PDT

Oh hey there

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Posted by: King Nis085
Relevant thread I made months ago in regards to SPARTAN-II and III status'.

You mean the thread where you copy pasted info from Halopedia?

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
So, of the surviving SPARTANS, how many are not named or identified?

I think there are at least five still unidentified but none of them survived Reach.

  • 05.10.2011 4:17 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Here's the thread -I- made on the waypoint forums more than 6 months ago...

Let's review all the KNOWN Spartan II's, and if they were present at the battle of Reach. (28 spartan II's were supposed to be on the Pillar of Autumn before it left for that operation to capture a prophet. 25 of those spartans took a pelican to Reach, 3 others had an operation above Reach.)

It was stated that 33 Spartan II's survived the augmentation procedures.

NOT PRESENT AT REACH:
Spartan 006 - Jai (Gray Team, on another operation)
Spartan 023 - Daisy (KIA before Reach)
Spartan 034 - Sam (KIA before Reach)
Spartan 047 - Keiichi (KIA before Reach)
Spartan 051 - Kurt (Presumed MIA, Training Spartan III's on Oynx)
Spartan 069 - Solomon (KIA before Reach)
Spartan 079 - Arthur (KIA before Reach)
Spartan 101 - Victor (Doesn't count as a surviving Spartan II, as he was presumed dead in 2525 during the augmentation procedure)
Spartan 111 - Adriana (Gray Team, on another operation)
Spartan 141 - Cal (KIA before Reach)
Spartan 303 - Ralph (Unsure if he counts as a Spartan. His number is canon-breaking, and if he does count, he was KIA before Reach)
Spartan ??? - Mike (Gray Team, on another operation)
Spartan ??? - Randall (MIA before Reach)
Spartan ??? - Sheila (KIA before Reach)
Spartan ??? - Black One (Doesn't count as a surviving Spartan II, as she was presumed dead in 2525 during the augmentation procedure)
Spartan ??? - Black Two (Doesn't count as a surviving Spartan II, as she was presumed dead in 2525 during the augmentation procedure)
Spartan ??? - Black Three (Doesn't count as a surviving Spartan II, as he was presumed dead in 2525 during the augmentation procedure)

-TOTAL CONFIRMED NOT ON REACH: 12(13 possible) SPARTANS.

POSSIBLE SPARTANS NOT PRESENT DURING REACH:
Spartan 042 - Douglas (MIA on spirit of Fire)
Spartan 052 - Jorge (Present at Reach, but not with the Spartans aboard the PoA, so he doesn't count in the count of "25 spartans on the surface of Reach")
Spartan 062 - Maria (Retired)
Spartan 092 - Jerome (MIA on Spirit of Fire)
Spartan 130 - Alice (MIA on Spirit of Fire)

-TOTAL NUMBER OF POSSIBLE SPARTANS NOT PRESENT ON REACH: 17(18, POSSIBLE)

SPARTANS PRESENT DURING THE BATTLE OF REACH: (Red Team)
Spartan 008 - Li
Spartan 029 - Joshua
Spartan 030 - Vinh
Spartan 039 - Issac
Spartan 043 - William
Spartan 044 - Anton
Spartan 059 - Malcolm (KIA on impact, never assigned a team.)
Spartan 087 - Kelly
Spartan 093 - Grace
Spartan 104 - Fredric
*15 additional unnamed Spartans from Team Beta, tasked with defending the orbital generators.

TOTAL NUMBER OF SPARTANS ON THE GROUND: 25

SPARTANS PRESENT ABOVE REACH: (BLUE TEAM)
Spartan 058 - Linda
Spartan 117 - John
Spartan ??? - James

TOTAL NUMBER OF SPARTANS ON THE SPACE OP: 3

TOTAL NUMBER OF SPARTANS WHO SURVIVED THE AUGMENTATION PROCESS: (Not counting Black Team, as their Deaths were faked, thus, they aren't part of the Spartans who have names, and are accounted for.)

-45 TOTAL SURVIVING SPARTAN II's, NOT INCLUDING RALPH.


  • 05.10.2011 4:27 PM PDT

Oh hey there

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Over the last few weeks I've been trying to figure out the waypoint forums they're kind of archaic compared to Bungie.net.

  • 05.10.2011 4:41 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

sorry but these are all the known S-IIs of Class-I.
There are no other known Spartans.
Now I have discovered possibly more Class-I, they were assigned to Red Delta, it's about 3 of them. I'm going through the details to make sure that they aren't mistaken for other Spartans

  • 05.10.2011 5:20 PM PDT

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