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Subject: Should Reach had fallen in 1 day?

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Poll: Should Reach had fallen in 1 day?  [closed]
yes :  63%
(36 Votes)
no:  33%
(19 Votes)
i don't know:  4%
(2 Votes)
Total Votes: 57

Although TFOR made it so Reach fell in around a day, the game lengthened the invasion by around 1 month.

Which scenario do you prefer?

Both scenarios have there pros and cons.

  • 05.11.2011 12:32 PM PDT

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The largest battle in Halo Lore or a few small engagements spread out over a long period of time....

1 day.

[Edited on 05.11.2011 12:49 PM PDT]

  • 05.11.2011 12:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
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As I've mentioned before, Reach falling in 1 day is the better fear factor for the UNSC.

  • 05.11.2011 12:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Reach falling in a day sounds more like a cop out ending than anythign else. First Strike portrays it much better while the game, in my opinion, is the best interpretation of Reach's fall. The Fall of Reach book was just bad.

  • 05.11.2011 12:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Reach falling in a day sounds more like a cop out ending than anythign else. First Strike portrays it much better while the game, in my opinion, is the best interpretation of Reach's fall. The Fall of Reach book was just bad.


Reach falling in a day showed just how inequipped and unprepared humanity were to face the Covenant, the battle lasting a day was in no way a cop-out. Can't you look at the bigger picture rather than just your own opinion?

I don't want to have to spend ages explaining exactly why the game portrayed the battle of Reach very poorly (except Exodus).

  • 05.11.2011 12:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Reach falling in a day sounds more like a cop out ending than anythign else. First Strike portrays it much better while the game, in my opinion, is the best interpretation of Reach's fall. The Fall of Reach book was just bad.


Reach falling in a day showed just how inequipped and unprepared humanity were to face the Covenant, the battle lasting a day was in no way a cop-out. Can't you look at the bigger picture rather than just your own opinion?

I don't want to have to spend ages explaining exactly why the game portrayed the battle of Reach very poorly (except Exodus).

Still feels like a moot point considering the UNSC beat back the Covenant from Sigma Octanus. I was expecting the top UNSC fortress world, excluding Earth, to stand a better chance. Also, don't bother spending ages, I'm not looking for it.

[Edited on 05.11.2011 1:03 PM PDT]

  • 05.11.2011 1:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Reach falling in a day sounds more like a cop out ending than anythign else. First Strike portrays it much better while the game, in my opinion, is the best interpretation of Reach's fall. The Fall of Reach book was just bad.


Reach falling in a day showed just how inequipped and unprepared humanity were to face the Covenant, the battle lasting a day was in no way a cop-out. Can't you look at the bigger picture rather than just your own opinion?

I don't want to have to spend ages explaining exactly why the game portrayed the battle of Reach very poorly (except Exodus).

Still feels like a moot point considering the UNSC beat back the Covenant from Sigma Octanus. I was expecting the top UNSC fortress world, excluding Earth, to stand a better chance. Also, don't bother spending ages, I'm not looking for it.


The Covenant attacked Sigma Octanus with about 20 ships and humanity outnumbered them by about 30 extra ships, the Covenant attacked Reach with over 300.

  • 05.11.2011 1:13 PM PDT

IMO, Reach falling in one day portrays "Humanity's" stronghold as weak, and the Covenant as godlike.

Falling in one day points to the ODP generators being poorly defended, as they fell so quickly.

However, those generators should have been the heaviest defended places on the planet.

[Edited on 05.11.2011 1:18 PM PDT]

  • 05.11.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Reach falling in a day sounds more like a cop out ending than anythign else. First Strike portrays it much better while the game, in my opinion, is the best interpretation of Reach's fall. The Fall of Reach book was just bad.


Reach falling in a day showed just how inequipped and unprepared humanity were to face the Covenant, the battle lasting a day was in no way a cop-out. Can't you look at the bigger picture rather than just your own opinion?

I don't want to have to spend ages explaining exactly why the game portrayed the battle of Reach very poorly (except Exodus).

Still feels like a moot point considering the UNSC beat back the Covenant from Sigma Octanus. I was expecting the top UNSC fortress world, excluding Earth, to stand a better chance. Also, don't bother spending ages, I'm not looking for it.


The Covenant attacked Sigma Octanus with about 20 ships and humanity outnumbered them by about 30 extra ships, the Covenant attacked Reach with over 300.

Reach had about 150 ships and 20 Super MACs. It still should not have ended so easily in the Covenant's favor.

  • 05.11.2011 1:16 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

I would have preferred that Reach took place in a day and followed the novel at least somewhat. When it falls in a day it just makes for a more intense story.

  • 05.11.2011 1:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
I would have preferred that Reach took place in a day and followed the novel at least somewhat. When it falls in a day it just makes for a more intense story.

I guess. The only thing I felt was disappointment, I was like "I read a book called THE FALL OF REACH" and this is it?".

Major bummer.

  • 05.11.2011 1:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Reach falling in a day sounds more like a cop out ending than anythign else. First Strike portrays it much better while the game, in my opinion, is the best interpretation of Reach's fall. The Fall of Reach book was just bad.


Reach falling in a day showed just how inequipped and unprepared humanity were to face the Covenant, the battle lasting a day was in no way a cop-out. Can't you look at the bigger picture rather than just your own opinion?

I don't want to have to spend ages explaining exactly why the game portrayed the battle of Reach very poorly (except Exodus).

Still feels like a moot point considering the UNSC beat back the Covenant from Sigma Octanus. I was expecting the top UNSC fortress world, excluding Earth, to stand a better chance. Also, don't bother spending ages, I'm not looking for it.


The Covenant attacked Sigma Octanus with about 20 ships and humanity outnumbered them by about 30 extra ships, the Covenant attacked Reach with over 300.

Reach had about 150 ships and 20 Super MACs. It still should not have ended so easily in the Covenant's favor.


Then if the game is such a great representation of the battle of Reach, where were the SMACs? We never saw any true UNSC resistance in space other than a single space station, a few Frigates and a squadron of Sabres.

Reach lacked any kind of military setting to suggest there was any kind of competent resistance. All we saw on Reach was:
- Farms
- SWORD Base
- More farms
- A mountain with some small stone buildings
- A city
- Even more farms
- A ship breaking yard

  • 05.11.2011 1:21 PM PDT

The fleet fell in a day, even in the books the fighting on the ground went on for a while afterwards. It seems to me they could have very easily set the events of Halo reach in the hours and days following the defeat in space. While Fred and the other Spartans are wandering around under the surface, NOBLE team could have been waging a desperate holding action against the Covenant on the surface as they tried to get off world.

[Edited on 05.11.2011 1:27 PM PDT]

  • 05.11.2011 1:24 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Then if the game is such a great representation of the battle of Reach, where were the SMACs? We never saw any true UNSC resistance in space other than a single space station, a few Frigates and a squadron of Sabres.

Reach lacked any kind of military setting to suggest there was any kind of competent resistance. All we saw on Reach was:
- Farms
- SWORD Base
- More farms
- A mountain with some small stone buildings
- A city
- Even more farms
- A ship breaking yard


Other side of the planet... The Covenant wouldn't go "Derp, let's park next to the orbital guns!"

Also, that's because we simply saw what Six saw. Saying that because he didn't see massive -blam!- army's marching across the world doesn't mean they weren't there.

  • 05.11.2011 1:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Then if the game is such a great representation of the battle of Reach, where were the SMACs? We never saw any true UNSC resistance in space other than a single space station, a few Frigates and a squadron of Sabres.

Reach lacked any kind of military setting to suggest there was any kind of competent resistance. All we saw on Reach was:
- Farms
- SWORD Base
- More farms
- A mountain with some small stone buildings
- A city
- Even more farms
- A ship breaking yard

All TFoR showed was the Spartan training camp, a mention wilderness training preserve, and Camp Hathcock. I'm not all that impressed. First Strike did much better, heck, I'd even argue I wouldn't mind a game based on that, but I still don;t hate Reach.

It's funny you knock Reach not being crawling with military bases with most of the fights being on the frontlines. God forbid the Covenant occupy the area around the Visegrad relay, the area near their Spires and how dare they attack the Sabre Launch Facility, New Alexandria, SWORD Base, and the ship breaking yards.

Totally unacceptable. And even with Reach being so lightly guarded as you put it, it lasted longer than the book's counterpart.

  • 05.11.2011 1:29 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Cobra, as always, you fail to mention the fact that although Reach fell in a day, it wasn't because the UNSC was "weak" it was because it was BY FAR the largest Covenant fleet ever seen. Over 700 ships.

Of course the UNSC only lasted an hour against something that size.

  • 05.11.2011 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Cobra, as always, you fail to mention the fact that although Reach fell in a day, it wasn't because the UNSC was "weak" it was because it was BY FAR the largest Covenant fleet ever seen. Over 700 ships.

Of course the UNSC only lasted an hour against something that size.

I still don't care. I remember everyone got all pissed when 343 released that 700 number, saying how that was wrong and how Lord Hood was only exaggerating. But now, the word of 343 is God. Honestly, 700 ships makes more sense than the 314 of the past. However, it still feels like a cheap way to end a book. I still prefer Halo: Reach.

  • 05.11.2011 1:37 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Cobra, as always, you fail to mention the fact that although Reach fell in a day, it wasn't because the UNSC was "weak" it was because it was BY FAR the largest Covenant fleet ever seen. Over 700 ships.

Of course the UNSC only lasted an hour against something that size.


Really? I heard it is labeled 700 only once in the book.

Of course, I've also heard this line from you all. "The defenses would hold as long as the super macs were powered."

So, for Reach to fall in a day, that must mean the generators had little actual defense.

Of course, we could go by the 343 version. The battle started properly after the LNOS was destroyed. Then, on the 30th, the massive fleet of Particular Justice arrived. From that moment, the battle as we read it in the book happened.

  • 05.11.2011 1:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Dustin 6047
The book probably only said it fell in one day because the writter didn't think about all of the smaller skirmishes and battles that would have taken place and not to mention the strategy the Covenant used (setting up spires and stuff before the actual invasion) which all would extend the fall to about a month rather than a day. I'm just going to go with what Omanisat said about how the fleet fell in a day, but ground engagements would still continue before and after.


Well, it can also be labeled as perspective as well.

In the book, we see the space battle from Keyes viewpoint.

  • 05.11.2011 1:46 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Also take note, Dot said the the UNSC fleet was coming to Reach. The Covenant fleet would come later, so it seems that both sides constantly had more ships coming in and out of the conflict and the standoff only ended when the MACs fell. That would be a long battle.

  • 05.11.2011 1:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: privet caboose
Cobra, as always, you fail to mention the fact that although Reach fell in a day, it wasn't because the UNSC was "weak" it was because it was BY FAR the largest Covenant fleet ever seen. Over 700 ships.

Of course the UNSC only lasted an hour against something that size.


Really? I heard it is labeled 700 only once in the book.

Of course, I've also heard this line from you all. "The defenses would hold as long as the super macs were powered."

So, for Reach to fall in a day, that must mean the generators had little actual defense.

Of course, we could go by the 343 version. The battle started properly after the LNOS was destroyed. Then, on the 30th, the massive fleet of Particular Justice arrived. From that moment, the battle as we read it in the book happened.


Think back to First Strike when Red Team reach Charlie Company. The Covenant massacred those who were guarding the SMAC generators later into the battle.

Where is the evidence saying that the FOPJ arrived on the 30th in the game? I recall Fermion saying "it's the whole damn Covenant fleet," at the end of LNOS.

  • 05.11.2011 1:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
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Posted by: privet caboose
Cobra, as always, you fail to mention the fact that although Reach fell in a day, it wasn't because the UNSC was "weak" it was because it was BY FAR the largest Covenant fleet ever seen. Over 700 ships.

Of course the UNSC only lasted an hour against something that size.


Really? I heard it is labeled 700 only once in the book.

Of course, I've also heard this line from you all. "The defenses would hold as long as the super macs were powered."

So, for Reach to fall in a day, that must mean the generators had little actual defense.

Of course, we could go by the 343 version. The battle started properly after the LNOS was destroyed. Then, on the 30th, the massive fleet of Particular Justice arrived. From that moment, the battle as we read it in the book happened.


Think back to First Strike when Red Team reach Charlie Company. The Covenant massacred those who were guarding the SMAC generators later into the battle.

Where is the evidence saying that the FOPJ arrived on the 30th in the game? I recall Fermion saying "it's the whole damn Covenant fleet," at the end of LNOS.

I think that was Holland saying "It looks like the whole damn Covenant fleet!". It probably was the FOPJ or a smaller detachment.

  • 05.11.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: privet caboose
Cobra, as always, you fail to mention the fact that although Reach fell in a day, it wasn't because the UNSC was "weak" it was because it was BY FAR the largest Covenant fleet ever seen. Over 700 ships.

Of course the UNSC only lasted an hour against something that size.


Really? I heard it is labeled 700 only once in the book.

Of course, I've also heard this line from you all. "The defenses would hold as long as the super macs were powered."

So, for Reach to fall in a day, that must mean the generators had little actual defense.

Of course, we could go by the 343 version. The battle started properly after the LNOS was destroyed. Then, on the 30th, the massive fleet of Particular Justice arrived. From that moment, the battle as we read it in the book happened.


Think back to First Strike when Red Team reach Charlie Company. The Covenant massacred those who were guarding the SMAC generators later into the battle.

Where is the evidence saying that the FOPJ arrived on the 30th in the game? I recall Fermion saying "it's the whole damn Covenant fleet," at the end of LNOS.

I think that was Holland saying "It looks like the whole damn Covenant fleet!". It probably was the FOPJ or a smaller detachment.


Ah yes, it was Holland. It must have been the FOPJ because we never saw any more Covenant ships slippin' in from after LNOS.

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Well, the Battle of Reach lasted mere two hours. Anything before that or after, were simply skirmishes until the fleet of Particular Justice arrived on the 30th.

  • 05.11.2011 1:56 PM PDT

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