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Subject: Energy sword vs Lightsaber, which is better?

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
It also matters who is trained in what. Elites are more like acrobatic gymnasts when sword dueling, a lot of spins and flips. Their athletic superiority allows them to compensate for an otherwise lack of mnaeuverability where the actual weapon is concerned. Swords to an Elite quite seriously ARE an extension of the arm; sabers are more traditional swords. They don't need the simplistic handle of a lightsaber to be as agile as one.

And plus, Elites could very easily have a plethora of maneuvers like the saber. The saber simply has had more time to be fleshed out. It really all depends on which race you're talking about. The energy sword is the more complicated to use effectively because you need to work all aspects of your body to use it like the Arbiter in Legends, but once you achieve that level, you're very much like a human Jedi.

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Posted by: Kalawaki
lightsaber has more variety in the forms you attack with it, but the energy sword will guard your hand from the opponant's blade, meaning you can't be disarmed as easily as them.


If you use the Arbiter from halo war's blades...
I meant how the blade for the energy sword curves back beyond the wrist, protecting it.

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  • 05.13.2011 8:48 PM PDT

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Agreed, it's also a lot more maneuverable.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Well, both are incredibly easy to slice yourself up with.

However, I kinda think the lightsaber does better, as you can have many different types of hilts and forms.

  • 05.13.2011 8:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
But there is a thing. If the saber gets stuck betwen the energy sword. It'll be hard for the saber I think.
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true, you got that point, when the saber gets stuck like that. Sword win, because you can disarm by turn the sword down quickly.

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@Spartan1055: Another interesting point.


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Energy sword looks cooler, but I think the lightsaber would be easier to use when striking someone. But then again, it would be easier to block with the energy sword. So I might go with the Energy Sword over the Light Saber.


Not really, the energy sword is more restricted in it's movements. Also, with lightsabers you have a -blam!-on of hilt styles and saber forms that can aid in defenese or offense.

I think it was guard shoto lightsabers? (the ones like police batons used in TFU1) Those are excellent for defense and offense.


It also matters who is trained in what. Elites are more like acrobatic gymnasts when sword dueling, a lot of spins and flips. Their athletic superiority allows them to compensate for an otherwise lack of mnaeuverability where the actual weapon is concerned. Swords to an Elite quite seriously ARE an extension of the arm; sabers are more traditional swords. They don't need the simplistic handle of a lightsaber to be as agile as one.

And plus, Elites could very easily have a plethora of maneuvers like the saber. The saber simply has had more time to be fleshed out. It really all depends on which race you're talking about. The energy sword is the more complicated to use effectively because you need to work all aspects of your body to use it like the Arbiter in Legends, but once you achieve that level, you're very much like a human Jedi.


But then, in the OP we're talking about two humans facing off with these weapons.

Yes, I did say Humans facing off, but Elite vs Elites Would do fine. I'll let this slide because it has an a lot of description in it.

  • 05.14.2011 2:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Rider LukeYes, I did say Humans facing off, but Elite vs Elites Would do fine. I'll let this slide because it has an a lot of description in it. Humans vs. human the lightsaber wins, elite vs elite the sword wins. Thats why a human vs elite is a much more interesting debate.

But alright.

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Yes, I did say Humans facing off, but Elite vs Elites Would do fine. I'll let this slide because it has an a lot of description in it.
Humans vs. human the lightsaber wins, elite vs elite the sword wins. Thats why a human vs elite is a much more interesting debate.

But alright.

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I personally think a sangheili (ulrea or higher, only high ranks get swords) with an energy sword would beat a jedi knight with a lightsaber.

Want to know why? The jedi can't block the swing of an energy sword wielded by a sangheili without dislocating their shoulder. Sangheili are stronger and faster then the game mechanics give them credit.


Yes, but with the Force it wouldn't go so far in the Elites favor. You say no force? They wouldn't be able to wield their lightsaber, it wouldn't be a fair fight.

As I said in the OP, they were both held just as well as the other. Without the use of the force.

  • 05.14.2011 6:28 AM PDT

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A Lightsaber is harder to control because the blade has no weight. I'd say Energy Sword.

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Depends on eprson holding the weapon.

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Posted by: Halfa55al
Depends on eprson holding the weapon.

A normal, capable person. Marine? Johnson? Just an average marine/person.

  • 05.14.2011 7:26 AM PDT

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There's a reason Elites are more experienced at wielding these things, thus the difficulty in even wielding the sword.


Anyways...

Personally, the sword might be even further dangerous and cut through the lightsaber instead, because every time you sword clash with someone both loose health, perhaps due to the extreme heat produced by the sword. Lightsaber's aren't powerful enough that you would lose shielding.

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  • 05.14.2011 9:32 AM PDT


Posted by: WHYTMND
A Lightsaber is harder to control because the blade has no weight. I'd say Energy Sword.


And the Energy sword's blade has weight? The two blades are made of the same stuff.

Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Personally, the sword might be even further dangerous and cut through the lightsaber instead, because every time you sword clash with someone both loose health, perhaps due to the extreme heat produced by the sword. Lightsaber's aren't powerful enough that you would lose shielding.


That's a gameplay mechanic...

  • 05.14.2011 9:51 AM PDT

If both are equally skilled/capable with their respective weapons, and the Lightsaberer is using a regular old 'saber, I'd have to say Energy Sworderer wins.

Why? Energy Sword has two blades; the skilled Energy Sword user could slide their blades along a Lightsaber, then directly attack the Lightsaber user from that position.

In short, it would be much easier to defend/counter-attack a combatant using an Energy Sword.

  • 05.14.2011 11:37 AM PDT

Energy Sword, all comes down to what someone said earlier, the Energy Sword is more like an extension of the fore-arm, which is naturally going to be more effective than something held perpendicular to the arm. Energy Swords encourage users to use their mass to get the most effect out of the weapon, hence how they tend to lunge at enemies. plus the Sword is double edged and again as said above offers some protection to the user.

on the subject of 'depends whose using them...' that will always be the case, an average guy will 99 times out of 100 loose in a sword fight against someone who is trained swordsman. also Energy Swords can be dual wielded without half the trouble of dual wielding Light Sabres since they are more or less attached to the user.

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Interesting points guys.


Posted by: Justice One Duo
Why? Energy Sword has two blades; the skilled Energy Sword user could slide their blades along a Lightsaber, then directly attack the Lightsaber user from that position.

I'm just going to point out that the 'Saber user could turn the saber left or right, forcing the Energy sword user to bend his arm, unless the 'Sword user bended the sword the opposite way, then they would be locked and unable to move. Either of them.

  • 05.14.2011 11:56 AM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
Energy Sword, all comes down to what someone said earlier, the Energy Sword is more like an extension of the fore-arm, which is naturally going to be more effective than something held perpendicular to the arm. Energy Swords encourage users to use their mass to get the most effect out of the weapon, hence how they tend to lunge at enemies. plus the Sword is double edged and again as said above offers some protection to the user.

on the subject of 'depends whose using them...' that will always be the case, an average guy will 99 times out of 100 loose in a sword fight against someone who is trained swordsman. also Energy Swords can be dual wielded without half the trouble of dual wielding Light Sabres since they are more or less attached to the user.


However, with a lightsaber I can be far more defensive, and defend against a WIDE range of blows.

I can quickly catch a blow aimed at my back, then flip both blades over and counter strike with a saber. With an energy sword I'm -blam!- if the blow comes from behind, or the side opposite of my wielding hand.

Let's look at the arbiter in halo wars. The blows he could do was "Lunge" "stab" and "Wide swings." Defensive wise, one or two energy swords you are limited.

the energy sword is built for lunges and stabs. The lightsaber is for a wider variety of moves.

Another point, the lightsaber can be effectively wielded by a wide number of people, due to each hilt being unique. The Energy sword cannot be wielded, or wielded effectively, if your hands are too big or small. Too big, your fingers get cut by the blades. Too small, you can't properly hold it.

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Extreamly good point Cmdr.

  • 05.14.2011 12:18 PM PDT

I agree with a lot of what your saying, the Light Sabre can be potentially more flexible in the hands of a well trained user, hell both of these weapons are not for amateurs, who would likely kill themselves! the Energy Sword is meant for Stabs and Lunges, its supposed to be paired with Covenant Active Camouflage and wielded by Elites, they aren't made for duelling.

would imagine a Jedi Knight would be quite taken aback by an enormous 8+ foot Sangheili appearing out of thin air in-front of him or her, lunging with an extremely dangerous Energy Sword. here is a random thought, imagine the sort of carnage a bunch of Special Operations Elites could cause on an Imperial ship with their Active Camouflage and Energy Swords, that could be an absolute ton of dead Storm Troopers!

  • 05.15.2011 8:24 AM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I agree with a lot of what your saying, the Light Sabre can be potentially more flexible in the hands of a well trained user, hell both of these weapons are not for amateurs, who would likely kill themselves! the Energy Sword is meant for Stabs and Lunges, its supposed to be paired with Covenant Active Camouflage and wielded by Elites, they aren't made for duelling.

would imagine a Jedi Knight would be quite taken aback by an enormous 8+ foot Sangheili appearing out of thin air in-front of him or her, lunging with an extremely dangerous Energy Sword. here is a random thought, imagine the sort of carnage a bunch of Special Operations Elites could cause on an Imperial ship with their Active Camouflage and Energy Swords, that could be an absolute ton of dead Storm Troopers!


Don't forget their wrist blades.

  • 05.15.2011 9:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: WHYTMND
A Lightsaber is harder to control because the blade has no weight. I'd say Energy Sword.


And the Energy sword's blade has weight? The two blades are made of the same stuff.

Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Personally, the sword might be even further dangerous and cut through the lightsaber instead, because every time you sword clash with someone both loose health, perhaps due to the extreme heat produced by the sword. Lightsaber's aren't powerful enough that you would lose shielding.


That's a gameplay mechanic...

Yeah? Your point is?

It's just a gameplay mechanic?

So everything in the game other than the books isn't even real?



The books never mention this stuff. Hmm... I'm going for the gameplay mechanics.

  • 05.15.2011 9:25 AM PDT

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The energy sword is extremely difficult to defend against, because of it's double tip design, I'm certain it's a formidable challenge even against a jedi.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I agree with a lot of what your saying, the Light Sabre can be potentially more flexible in the hands of a well trained user, hell both of these weapons are not for amateurs, who would likely kill themselves! the Energy Sword is meant for Stabs and Lunges, its supposed to be paired with Covenant Active Camouflage and wielded by Elites, they aren't made for duelling.

would imagine a Jedi Knight would be quite taken aback by an enormous 8+ foot Sangheili appearing out of thin air in-front of him or her, lunging with an extremely dangerous Energy Sword. here is a random thought, imagine the sort of carnage a bunch of Special Operations Elites could cause on an Imperial ship with their Active Camouflage and Energy Swords, that could be an absolute ton of dead Storm Troopers!

You make one of the best points yet. Thinking on it, I've never seen anyone/thing been invisable. That would definetly give an advantage. But If they didn't have invis they would probably have a far fight. Though, I lean towards the Saber when it comes to dueling. But for stealth, the sword.

Anyway, I have not seen anyone point out what would happen if both weapons used a different power source. E.g. Sword uses plasma, If the saber doesn't would the sword cut out for a few moments ot would nothing odd happen.

  • 05.15.2011 10:53 AM PDT

I really miss in halo 3 how you could have an epic sword battle and clash swords no its gone :( wish they had an update to rstore it.

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I really miss in halo 3 how you could have an epic sword battle and clash swords no its gone :( wish they had an update to rstore it.

I agree. I miss being able to clash 15 times and not die.

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i think lightsaber but realy it depends whos uses them .eg. grunt engery sword vs jedi lightsaber jedi would win but elite energy sword gungan lightsaber elite would win

  • 05.15.2011 11:54 AM PDT