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Subject: Energy sword vs Lightsaber, which is better?


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I agree with a lot of what your saying, the Light Sabre can be potentially more flexible in the hands of a well trained user, hell both of these weapons are not for amateurs, who would likely kill themselves! the Energy Sword is meant for Stabs and Lunges, its supposed to be paired with Covenant Active Camouflage and wielded by Elites, they aren't made for duelling.

would imagine a Jedi Knight would be quite taken aback by an enormous 8+ foot Sangheili appearing out of thin air in-front of him or her, lunging with an extremely dangerous Energy Sword. here is a random thought, imagine the sort of carnage a bunch of Special Operations Elites could cause on an Imperial ship with their Active Camouflage and Energy Swords, that could be an absolute ton of dead Storm Troopers!


The force user would be taken back, if their precognition/force senses was somehow disabled and they were distracted.

As for the carnage on an imperial ship? Maybe for a bit, but they can use thermal scanners :P


Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Yeah? Your point is?

It's just a gameplay mechanic?

So everything in the game other than the books isn't even real?



The books never mention this stuff. Hmm... I'm going for the gameplay mechanics.


So you say a Spartan can singlehandedly flip a tank? Some game mechanics aren't actually in the canon. Why would energy swords, upon clashing, harm the two wielders if the lightsabers don't? (Both blades use the same thing, plasma.)

Also, haloid was a TERRIBLE over-exaggration of Spartan abilities.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I agree with a lot of what your saying, the Light Sabre can be potentially more flexible in the hands of a well trained user, hell both of these weapons are not for amateurs, who would likely kill themselves! the Energy Sword is meant for Stabs and Lunges, its supposed to be paired with Covenant Active Camouflage and wielded by Elites, they aren't made for duelling.

would imagine a Jedi Knight would be quite taken aback by an enormous 8+ foot Sangheili appearing out of thin air in-front of him or her, lunging with an extremely dangerous Energy Sword. here is a random thought, imagine the sort of carnage a bunch of Special Operations Elites could cause on an Imperial ship with their Active Camouflage and Energy Swords, that could be an absolute ton of dead Storm Troopers!


The force user would be taken back, if their precognition/force senses was somehow disabled and they were distracted.

As for the carnage on an imperial ship? Maybe for a bit, but they can use thermal scanners :P

The covis' have technology to avoid thermal scanners. They don'r always employ it.

  • 05.15.2011 12:38 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I agree with a lot of what your saying, the Light Sabre can be potentially more flexible in the hands of a well trained user, hell both of these weapons are not for amateurs, who would likely kill themselves! the Energy Sword is meant for Stabs and Lunges, its supposed to be paired with Covenant Active Camouflage and wielded by Elites, they aren't made for duelling.

would imagine a Jedi Knight would be quite taken aback by an enormous 8+ foot Sangheili appearing out of thin air in-front of him or her, lunging with an extremely dangerous Energy Sword. here is a random thought, imagine the sort of carnage a bunch of Special Operations Elites could cause on an Imperial ship with their Active Camouflage and Energy Swords, that could be an absolute ton of dead Storm Troopers!


The force user would be taken back, if their precognition/force senses was somehow disabled and they were distracted.

As for the carnage on an imperial ship? Maybe for a bit, but they can use thermal scanners :P

The covis' have technology to avoid thermal scanners. They don'r always employ it.


hm, you know what I just thought of? Anything that could resist a lightsaber can do the same for an energy sword...

  • 05.15.2011 1:20 PM PDT

I'd say lightsaber it seems less awkward to hold

  • 05.15.2011 1:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
I agree with a lot of what your saying, the Light Sabre can be potentially more flexible in the hands of a well trained user, hell both of these weapons are not for amateurs, who would likely kill themselves! the Energy Sword is meant for Stabs and Lunges, its supposed to be paired with Covenant Active Camouflage and wielded by Elites, they aren't made for duelling.

would imagine a Jedi Knight would be quite taken aback by an enormous 8+ foot Sangheili appearing out of thin air in-front of him or her, lunging with an extremely dangerous Energy Sword. here is a random thought, imagine the sort of carnage a bunch of Special Operations Elites could cause on an Imperial ship with their Active Camouflage and Energy Swords, that could be an absolute ton of dead Storm Troopers!


The force user would be taken back, if their precognition/force senses was somehow disabled and they were distracted.

As for the carnage on an imperial ship? Maybe for a bit, but they can use thermal scanners :P


Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Yeah? Your point is?

It's just a gameplay mechanic?

So everything in the game other than the books isn't even real?



The books never mention this stuff. Hmm... I'm going for the gameplay mechanics.


So you say a Spartan can singlehandedly flip a tank? Some game mechanics aren't actually in the canon. Why would energy swords, upon clashing, harm the two wielders if the lightsabers don't? (Both blades use the same thing, plasma.)

Also, haloid was a TERRIBLE over-exaggration of Spartan abilities.


>Implying the rules of one universe apply to another......... again

The force user would be taken back, if their precognition/force senses was somehow disabled and they were distracted.

>Implying the Force is perfect and can see anything, which, to a character that exists outside the Force, is impossible............... again

>Also implying the Force is even relative to this fight, which it isn't.

  • 05.15.2011 6:57 PM PDT

I think the wielder of the light saber would win due to the energy sword's weird design.

Plus, the light saber seems to have a longer reach.

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Posted by: relliK42
I think the wielder of the light saber would win due to the energy sword's weird design.

Plus, the light saber seems to have a longer reach.
The sword only looks small because a -blam!- nine foot tall alien is using it. in reality its about 4.0 - 5.5 feet long, depending on the game.

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With a lightsaber, my wrist won't be c. 5 cm away from the plasma bladesee?. Seriously, who designed the energy sword?
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Though still, Jedi like Kit Fisto or Plo Koon have some serious problems to overcome. Fisto's squid-like head and Koon'd rediculously long neck are pretty obvious targets; one wrong swing or turn and Fisto's braids are going clean through that blade
The guys at RedLetterMedia sure are observant.

[Edited on 05.16.2011 5:40 AM PDT]

  • 05.16.2011 5:06 AM PDT

Thermal scanners won't do anything against Covenant Active Camouflage, it appears to 'bend' light around the user, and since Thermal (Infra-Red) is just another wavelength of light, it stands reason to believe the cloak will have the same effect against that also, though science fiction is filled with pointless technology holes where a cloak can render someone invisible to the naked eye yet not to thermal or something along those lines.

worth saying Predators active camouflage works in a similar way and they are almost impossible to see using thermal imaging, as you find out in the Alien vs. Predator games when playing as a Predator, they cannot see each-other using 'standard' thermal vision.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
Thermal scanners won't do anything against Covenant Active Camouflage,
Actually, in the Flood, it is explicitly stated that active camouflage doesn't hide thermal emissions, in fact it generates huge amounts of thermal radiation. When Alpha base was under attack, they used thermal cameras to spot camouflaged elites.

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As humans... we should pick a lightsaber. It's something we can comfortably use. I own a Energy Sword Replica, and it is not easy to hold or use at all when using it against practically swords.

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Posted by: Colonel Watts
With a lightsaber, my wrist won't be c. 5 cm away from the plasma bladesee?. Seriously, who designed the energy sword?

Interesting.

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As humans... we should pick a lightsaber. It's something we can comfortably use. I own a Energy Sword Replica, and it is not easy to hold or use at all when using it against practically swords.


If you don't mind me saying so, you're using it wrong. If you practice a martial art, try incorporating it into kata. When you use it this way it suddenly becomes obvious where it's advantages lie. I'm not saying I would personally choose it over a conventional blade, but I think with practice it could become just as effective.

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Agreed.
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As humans... we should pick a lightsaber. It's something we can comfortably use. I own a Energy Sword Replica, and it is not easy to hold or use at all when using it against practically swords.


If you don't mind me saying so, you're using it wrong. If you practice a martial art, try incorporating it into kata. When you use it this way it suddenly becomes obvious where it's advantages lie. I'm not saying I would personally choose it over a conventional blade, but I think with practice it could become just as effective.

  • 05.16.2011 11:35 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
>Implying the rules of one universe apply to another......... again


And why would two blades formed the EXACT same way magically behave differently? Infact, we have seen a duel in legends. Each clash of the energy swords didn't affect the wielders.

>implying the way the blades behave is different even though they are formed the same way.
>implying MP game mechanics are canon.

The force user would be taken back, if their precognition/force senses was somehow disabled and they were distracted.

>Implying the Force is perfect and can see anything, which, to a character that exists outside the Force, is impossible............... again

>Also implying the Force is even relative to this fight, which it isn't.


Never implied the force is perfect. Infact, I pointed out it can be affected (precognition/sense). Oh, and precognition wouldn't be denied based on somebody being 'outside the force'.

Also, the situation I responded that to outright says "A jedi". Guess what? Force is relative to the fight if it's a jedi or force user involved.

A Jedi without the force is an incredibly weak fighter.


edit: Give me good reasons why two energy swords impacting each other would cause harm while two lightsabers clashing would not. (Beyond the fact the energy swords would be closer to the body, and sparks are more likely to hit.)

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  • 05.16.2011 11:52 AM PDT

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I would say, lightsaber, because its lighter and therefore easier to swing at your enemies

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Forget about The force, Pretend it doesn't exist. And it doesn't affect the ability to hold it either.

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Posted by: iO x E c h o
I would say, lightsaber, because its lighter and therefore easier to swing at your enemies


Says who? They are made up of the same thing, and have similar sized handles. Much the same to me.

That said, a sword with no mass would be a pain in the ass to use effectively, not easier.

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Posted by: RotaryCookie

Posted by: iO x E c h o
I would say, lightsaber, because its lighter and therefore easier to swing at your enemies

That said, a sword with no mass would be a pain in the ass to use effectively, not easier.

I agree, Weight is needed to a certan extent.

  • 05.16.2011 12:53 PM PDT

energy sword is plasma contained within a permeable membrane so is technically more realistic.

a lightsaber is light, it is impossible to contain light in such a way so it would be an infinite lenghth, it would have to have a huge generator so it would be incredibly difficult to carry and the beams of light would go through each other.

realistically the energy sword would be better, in fiction the lightsaber is better.

  • 05.16.2011 12:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Rider Luke

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Forget about The force, Pretend it doesn't exist. And it doesn't affect the ability to hold it either.


I know it doesn't affect that. However the guy mentioned a jedi being surprised at an Elite decloaking. I commented on that, and then roberto charged in.


Posted by: BloodierRORY
energy sword is plasma contained within a permeable membrane so is technically more realistic.

a lightsaber is light, it is impossible to contain light in such a way so it would be an infinite lenghth, it would have to have a huge generator so it would be incredibly difficult to carry and the beams of light would go through each other.

realistically the energy sword would be better, in fiction the lightsaber is better.


Um... wow. You know nothing about lightsabers huh?

The Lightsaber is formed the same way an energy sword is. Plasma in a type of containment field.

  • 05.16.2011 3:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Colonel Watts

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
Thermal scanners won't do anything against Covenant Active Camouflage,
Actually, in the Flood, it is explicitly stated that active camouflage doesn't hide thermal emissions, in fact it generates huge amounts of thermal radiation. When Alpha base was under attack, they used thermal cameras to spot camouflaged elites.
In several other books thermal scanners didnt spot them.

  • 05.16.2011 6:59 PM PDT

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Elites were skilled enough to be able to use an energy sword without slicing their own hands off.

The thing with an energy sword is, you can duel with it. Rembmer half-jaw?
I understand he was dueling against another energy sword, but there is essentially no difference. Apparently, you can duel, and with their skill, I believe there are more than just lunges and stabs that Spartans may use.

Here's a new analysis.


For elites, generally they would be defeated by jedi because in truthfulness, an energy sword is difficult to wield, because it could cut off your own hand.
But, the double prongs are like added weight to a medieval weapon.

An elite would have to be one of those ship commanders to be able to wield a sword as efficiently as a jedi, we're taking the sword into analysis from a spartan's point of view, whom cannot use the sword nearly to it's full artistic killing power.


Thus, I'm drawing a stalemate. A sword is the more effective weapon once you are well skilled to avoid the wristguards in a skillful fashion, and also due to the double prongs.

But, there are only a few elites who are nearly as capable to use it in such a fashion, and the rest of the elites perhaps can only stab and lunge.

The jedi, however cannot have nearly as much potential because of the weapon design itself, but they are more skilled than the elites who only stab and lunge. To make it fair, they would tend to lose to a very skilled elite, but then there are far more jedi than elites who know how to operate the sword skillfully.

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Interesting. I agree in that both can be used for dueling, but I think (IMO) The lightsaber would be better for dueling.

  • 05.17.2011 11:29 AM PDT

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The energy sword looks bigger so i assume you would be able to defend yourself better with it but the lightsaber looks more agile.

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