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Subject: Energy sword vs Lightsaber, which is better?


Posted by: ian1706
The energy sword looks bigger so i assume you would be able to defend yourself better with it but the lightsaber looks more agile.


Because I use a greatsword does not mean I'm better at defense to somebody using a longsword.

Either way, the energy sword is worse for defense, as it is basically a punch-weapon.

  • 05.18.2011 12:45 PM PDT

Lightsabers could cut through an energy sword

  • 05.18.2011 12:53 PM PDT


Posted by: jvc8996
Lightsabers could cut through an energy sword


This is just as false as the "Two Energy Swords hitting each other in canon harm both users."

A Lightsaber and energy sword are made of the same stuff, plasma, and formed in the same way.

  • 05.18.2011 12:57 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jvc8996
Lightsabers could cut through an energy sword


This is just as false as the "Two Energy Swords hitting each other in canon harm both users."

A Lightsaber and energy sword are made of the same stuff, plasma, and formed in the same way.

Oh, well in that case, I might be tempted to say energy sword.

  • 05.18.2011 1:00 PM PDT

would say it depends to be honest, think about it this way, which is more deathly...? a dude with a light sabre slowly, eerily, sinisterly walking toward you with that 'Jedi Temple March' from Episode III playing or a dude with an energy sword, know which is cooler! since that track is sinister as hell, one of the coolest 'villain' tracks in movie history!

  • 05.18.2011 5:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jvc8996
Lightsabers could cut through an energy sword


This is just as false as the "Two Energy Swords hitting each other in canon harm both users."

A Lightsaber and energy sword are made of the same stuff, plasma, and formed in the same way.


Well in that regard, no, sword clashes don't harm you. It always seemed to me that the clashes in H3 and HR harmed you because you were just swinging heavily at each other. Perhaps the full blow was never blocked, and maybe throw in some EMP damage to the shields (whch, until in Reach we found that clashes do physical harm, seemed like a logical way to see it).

But another factor to consider I just recently remembered is that non-Force users cannot use lightsabers, without risking severe bodily harm on themselves just as well as the enemy. Having no blade weight made it difficult to swing properly. I remember reading a story when I was younger where a guy who killed a Jedi took his lightsaber and used it on another Jedi (think it was Dooku before he turned). Though still dangerous, he was clumsy, and swung it more like a club then anything.

Sword users don't appear to have this problem. And as the OP said, no Force, just two humans.

So neither side is effectively using either weapon. This is the clumsiest fight ever.

Though yet another factor to consider is that, if the two humans ran at each other, the sword would win in a jousting competition due to shear length. That gives a slight edge to the sword. A longer reach in a CQB goes a long way. Just as well, the sword's blade covers more surface area, doubling as a very small shield, and is much wider then a lightsaber.

Really, since neither side can effectively use the weapons at hand, lets break down the weapons themselves.

Length: goes to the sword

Width: the sword

familiarity with the handle in human hands: Lightsaber

Easier to use: Sword (swing it like a baseball bat).

Weight: Saber (lighter)

Practicality (regarding simplicity): I'd call it a tie. Similar to my reasoning for "easier to use", the Saber requires the Force to use effectively. The Sword, while likely heavier, is very simple. This ties into my next point.

Defensiveness: The Sword.

In the hands of a skilled user, the lightsaber's agility makes for a very defensive weapon. However, the natural design of the sword gives it a defensive edge. For one, cutting off the user's hand/lower arm is almost impossible, whereas the saber gives no protection at all to the user's limbs.

Secondly, as mentioned above, the sword covers more surface area in both length and width, giving both an offensive and defensive bonus. Like the Hunter's shield, which is a lot like a rediculously long sword. A lightsaber is a thin shaft of plasma energy.

To effectively defend yourself with a lightsaber, you have to move much, much faster and in different directions then you would with a sword, using pretty much every muscle in your upper body and some in your lower body, exerting more energy. With a sword, with its superior lenngth and width, the distance the blade has to travel to block something is much less great, compensating for its heavier weight.

Lightsabers are only defensively excellent when in the hands of a Jedi/Sith.

The Sword's design also gives it a unique tactical advantage. If something were to get caught in between the blades, the magnetic field produced by the two blades could cause any other magnetic object (such as a lightsaber's plasma blade) to get flung out of the users hand. A magnetic trap so to speak. The two opposing fields would meet at the blade, the blade would get forced out of the field.

In review, the Sword is actually better.

  • 05.18.2011 5:18 PM PDT

Sword as a very small shield: Fail. The blade would provide nothing defensively if the arm was brought up to defend an attack. The hand holding the hilt would be struck before the blade if you held it with widest facing the foe.

Lightsaber actually gets easier to use. Cause, you swing that like a baseball bat, not the energy sword. I'd love to see anybody swing an energy sword like a baseball bat...

I've yet to see anything that says the blade of an energy sword is longer then a lightsaber... Just the energy sword's blade is facing like a fist weapon, instead of a normal hilt style.

Edit: To get something between the enery sword blades, it has to be DAMN tiny, and at a very specific angle.

[Edited on 05.18.2011 7:37 PM PDT]

  • 05.18.2011 7:35 PM PDT

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Elites were skilled enough to be able to use an energy sword without slicing their own hands off.

The thing with an energy sword is, you can duel with it. Rembmer half-jaw?
I understand he was dueling against another energy sword, but there is essentially no difference. Apparently, you can duel, and with their skill, I believe there are more than just lunges and stabs that Spartans may use.

Here's a new analysis.


For elites, generally they would be defeated by jedi because in truthfulness, an energy sword is difficult to wield, because it could cut off your own hand.
But, the double prongs are like added weight to a medieval weapon.

An elite would have to be one of those ship commanders to be able to wield a sword as efficiently as a jedi, we're taking the sword into analysis from a spartan's point of view, whom cannot use the sword nearly to it's full artistic killing power.


Thus, I'm drawing a stalemate. A sword is the more effective weapon once you are well skilled to avoid the wristguards in a skillful fashion, and also due to the double prongs.

But, there are only a few elites who are nearly as capable to use it in such a fashion, and the rest of the elites perhaps can only stab and lunge.

The jedi, however cannot have nearly as much potential because of the weapon design itself, but they are more skilled than the elites who only stab and lunge. To make it fair, they would tend to lose to a very skilled elite, but then there are far more jedi than elites who know how to operate the sword skillfully.

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  • 05.18.2011 7:48 PM PDT

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Think of this: laser vs plasma.

  • 05.18.2011 8:01 PM PDT

Neither the energy sword or the lightsaber is more effective in truth.

It's like saying an axe is better then a sword. It's not true, sure certain areas like chopping is better done with an axe, but for stabbing you'd want a sword.

I've never seen anything that implies the energy sword has 'weight' beyond the hilt.

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Long post, but gives alot of description. Thanks.

I'm seeing for votes for the lightsabers but the Sword seems to have more theories.

  • 05.19.2011 10:22 AM PDT
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Im a halo fanatic, but I think the lightsaber is way easier to use. I have an energy sword replica and because of the blades on the side I got a cut. It would be chopped off if I had a real one. You said two people able to use both as well as the other? Then the lightsaber, once again, the lightsaber is more moveable and easy to use.

  • 05.19.2011 3:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Sword as a very small shield: Fail.


So this never happened then, right? Right.....

I said a VERY small shield, like the Hunter's Shield, good for deflecting mid-driff shots, but otherwise requries quick movement.

It can obviously block bullets just fine (something, which I remind you, Lightsabers are said to not be able too. Give a point to the sword).

The fact of the matter is, the sword's design gives it a very good combative edge. And just like the saber, it requires training (Read: it is a dueling sword, just another kind of dueling sword). As neither fighters are Elites, just as well as they can't use the Force, the fight comes down to the weapon. The sword has more plus sides to it, a saber, while effective in some areas, is too dangerous to the user.

And the sword blade does have weight. The Arbiter was dragging it along the floor in Wars. As it dragged, it bounced off the floor, indicating solidity and weight.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Sword as a very small shield: Fail.

So this never happened then, right? Right.....

Yeah, I was thinking about this.

This shows the dueling IS possible. They may BOTH be Plasma and they both deflect bullets.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 9:17 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ian1706
The energy sword looks bigger so i assume you would be able to defend yourself better with it but the lightsaber looks more agile.


Because I use a greatsword does not mean I'm better at defense to somebody using a longsword.

Either way, the energy sword is worse for defense, as it is basically a punch-weapon.
I mean bigger as in area, like a shield.

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The wieldability of the lightsaber makes it the better weapon for combat. Plasma E-sword wins in the "if looks can make your enemies shyt themselves" department.

All you would be duelists need to know that in a weapon of a lightsaber/Plaswords caliber, wrist movement is what will kill and get you killed.

[Edited on 05.20.2011 12:19 PM PDT]

  • 05.20.2011 12:15 PM PDT

Idummo, I haven't read anything about Lightsabers not being able to block bullets beyond some old unknown tabletop game.

I fail to see why they wouldn't, as the bullet would be vaporized upon impact with the blade.

As for that video, Chief was firing at the elites chest/head, and the elite held his hand out of the area being fired at. If his hand was in that 'zone' in would have gotten a bullet.

I honestly haven't seen anything that makes one supremely better then the other. Both are good in their designed zones.

  • 05.20.2011 1:13 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Idummo, I haven't read anything about Lightsabers not being able to block bullets beyond some old unknown tabletop game.
It probably has something to do with the fact that bullets move too fast. At least with droid lasers they move slow enough to see with the naked eye.

  • 05.21.2011 1:33 AM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Sword as a very small shield: Fail.


So this never happened then, right? Right.....

I said a VERY small shield, like the Hunter's Shield, good for deflecting mid-driff shots, but otherwise requries quick movement.

It can obviously block bullets just fine (something, which I remind you, Lightsabers are said to not be able too. Give a point to the sword).

The fact of the matter is, the sword's design gives it a very good combative edge. And just like the saber, it requires training (Read: it is a dueling sword, just another kind of dueling sword). As neither fighters are Elites, just as well as they can't use the Force, the fight comes down to the weapon. The sword has more plus sides to it, a saber, while effective in some areas, is too dangerous to the user.

And the sword blade does have weight. The Arbiter was dragging it along the floor in Wars. As it dragged, it bounced off the floor, indicating solidity and weight.


Where was it said Lightsabers cannot block bullets? They consist of Plasma drawn from Crystals. The blade itself is basically the same as a Energy sword, where did you get the information that it cannot block bullets?

  • 05.21.2011 2:26 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Where was it said Lightsabers cannot block bullets? They consist of Plasma drawn from Crystals. The blade itself is basically the same as a Energy sword, where did you get the information that it cannot block bullets?


The only place I've heard people reference it to is some old tabletop game.

(They say a bullet hitting a lightsaber will cause a piece of molten metal to slam into the wielders face.)

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: mojeda101
Where was it said Lightsabers cannot block bullets? They consist of Plasma drawn from Crystals. The blade itself is basically the same as a Energy sword, where did you get the information that it cannot block bullets?


The only place I've heard people reference it to is some old tabletop game.

(They say a bullet hitting a lightsaber will cause a piece of molten metal to slam into the wielders face.)

Never heard of that. So that would melt the bullet and then the bullet would hit the 'Saber's user?

  • 05.22.2011 1:48 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: mojeda101
Where was it said Lightsabers cannot block bullets? They consist of Plasma drawn from Crystals. The blade itself is basically the same as a Energy sword, where did you get the information that it cannot block bullets?


The only place I've heard people reference it to is some old tabletop game.

(They say a bullet hitting a lightsaber will cause a piece of molten metal to slam into the wielders face.)

Never heard of that. So that would melt the bullet and then the bullet would hit the 'Saber's user?
That...actually makes a lot of sense.

Delete this thread before the sith discover this fatal weakness and exploit it!

  • 05.22.2011 2:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rider Luke

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: mojeda101
Where was it said Lightsabers cannot block bullets? They consist of Plasma drawn from Crystals. The blade itself is basically the same as a Energy sword, where did you get the information that it cannot block bullets?


The only place I've heard people reference it to is some old tabletop game.

(They say a bullet hitting a lightsaber will cause a piece of molten metal to slam into the wielders face.)

Never heard of that. So that would melt the bullet and then the bullet would hit the 'Saber's user?
That...actually makes a lot of sense.

Delete this thread before the sith discover this fatal weakness and exploit it!

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[Edited on 05.22.2011 3:08 AM PDT]

  • 05.22.2011 3:04 AM PDT

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I would like to say Energy Sword, but i think in real life this weapon must be more difficult to handle while lightsaber is closest to a "classic sword" and the fact that LS has a longer blade could help.

  • 05.22.2011 5:22 AM PDT


Posted by: Kalawaki

Posted by: Rider Luke

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: mojeda101
Where was it said Lightsabers cannot block bullets? They consist of Plasma drawn from Crystals. The blade itself is basically the same as a Energy sword, where did you get the information that it cannot block bullets?


The only place I've heard people reference it to is some old tabletop game.

(They say a bullet hitting a lightsaber will cause a piece of molten metal to slam into the wielders face.)

Never heard of that. So that would melt the bullet and then the bullet would hit the 'Saber's user?
That...actually makes a lot of sense.

Delete this thread before the sith discover this fatal weakness and exploit it!


The problem with it is, the lightsaber, being plasma, melts through near everything. How would the bullet not be vaporized on impact with the blade?

  • 05.22.2011 5:23 AM PDT