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Subject: (Your Theory) What happened to the SoF

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I want your personal theory on what the ultimate fate of the Spirit of Fire and it's crew,

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  • 05.12.2011 9:18 PM PDT

Ending up finding Cole and his crew on the Everest in Cryosleep cruising through space. They form a small convoy between the two ships and continue cruising through space until they stumble upon the Legendary Planet in which they encounter John.

  • 05.12.2011 9:36 PM PDT

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The Spirit of fire, John, Bornstellar and The people at Onyx converge.

  • 05.12.2011 9:37 PM PDT

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It's still drifting. When Serina woke the Captain up, it has been thirty years. Obviously the Captain and the crew are at this point near death, but Serina has received a distant signal that the war is over. With this news Cutter dies. The ship runs out of power and the rest of the crew dies shortly after. Serina dies.

The ship drifts.

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
It's still drifting. When Serina woke the Captain up, it has been thirty years. Obviously the Captain and the crew are at this point near death, but Serina has received a distant signal that the war is over. With this news Cutter dies. The ship runs out of power and the rest of the crew dies shortly after. Serina dies.

The ship drifts.

Unrealistic.

  • 05.12.2011 10:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
It's still drifting. When Serina woke the Captain up, it has been thirty years. Obviously the Captain and the crew are at this point near death, but Serina has received a distant signal that the war is over. With this news Cutter dies. The ship runs out of power and the rest of the crew dies shortly after. Serina dies.

The ship drifts.

I didn't play through the whole campaign to just have them die of drifting.

  • 05.12.2011 10:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
It's still drifting. When Serina woke the Captain up, it has been thirty years. Obviously the Captain and the crew are at this point near death, but Serina has received a distant signal that the war is over. With this news Cutter dies. The ship runs out of power and the rest of the crew dies shortly after. Serina dies.

The ship drifts.

Unrealistic.
They're never found. Nothing ever happens. They drift forever. Happy?

  • 05.12.2011 10:48 PM PDT

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: Spartan 100
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
It's still drifting. When Serina woke the Captain up, it has been thirty years. Obviously the Captain and the crew are at this point near death, but Serina has received a distant signal that the war is over. With this news Cutter dies. The ship runs out of power and the rest of the crew dies shortly after. Serina dies.

The ship drifts.

Unrealistic.
They're never found. Nothing ever happens. They drift forever. Happy?


Then why did Serina say "Something has happened"?

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  • 05.12.2011 10:48 PM PDT

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My theory is two fold.

First off I believe that Anders' father's claims that ONI partially knew of the Spirit of Fire's actions. The Spirit of Fire was declared lost with all hands by ONI simply after they came to the conclusion that the ship's crew had something to do with the "huge upset in Covenant war plans" mentioned here, and that whatever they had done subsequently caused the SoF's annihilation in the process.

Second off, (in the realm of rampant incredulous speculation and poor story making rather than theory making based off snippets of detail and facts) I'd like to imagine that in the Spirit's haste to get off the Shield World quickly they have accidentally picked up live Flood forms that chose to bide their time before infecting the crew. Due to whatever reason that may be, they don't come into effect and start infecting the crew till power begins to fail or something, who knows, but some point many many years down the line they finally make their move prompting Serina to wake up the remaining crew, particularly Cutter, Anders, and the Spartans.

After a series of engagements and other edge of your seat moments in the Flood controlled SoF they happen to end up on Arcadia just cause. Or heck let's say precisely because of they took Anders or some crew member of importance that was especially fond of that planet. The ship eventually crash lands on that planet whilst the survivors reach the surface safely via Pelicans or some other craft stored in the ship. Course now there's a flood problem on Arcadia, so Anders (assuming she'd still be alive at this point) or some other person who comes up with crazy insane plans decides to do the one thing that can stop the infection in its track, glass the planet. But being UNSC, they don't have that technology, so they decide to fake a signal of surrender offering whatever original artifact the Covenant sought on Arcadia so long ago prompting them to arrive, land on the planet, assess that it's a "trap" filled with Flood, and thus proceed to glass Arcadia in response to the threat.

In the chaos the surviving crew which at the very least includes all the Spartans make it onto a small slipspace capable civilian craft and high tail it back to human controlled space. ONI gets a debrief about the flood (but is unable to do anything without samples/where to find them), and the reduced crew size and Spartans makes it easy for them to keep things hush over the next few years.

The end.

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"One final theory, posed by the father of Professor Ellen Anders, the civilian scientist aboard Spirit of Fire, is that the ship is unable to get home or somehow disabled. He claims to have talked to sources inside the Office of Naval Intelligence that a huge upset in the Covenant war plans happened some weeks after Spirit of Fire went missing and that intel reports inside ONI have suggested that the Spirit of Fire may be responsible. While wishful, most discount this theory as too fantastic to have any truth."

That pretty much sets it up for halowars 2 with "something has happened".

through some long and dramatic set of events the SoF will make it back before reach and be detained by ONI. OMEGA team might be released under the cover of different spartans of RED Team or just be heavily advised not to say anything.


  • 05.13.2011 9:58 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
"One final theory, posed by the father of Professor Ellen Anders, the civilian scientist aboard Spirit of Fire, is that the ship is unable to get home or somehow disabled. He claims to have talked to sources inside the Office of Naval Intelligence that a huge upset in the Covenant war plans happened some weeks after Spirit of Fire went missing and that intel reports inside ONI have suggested that the Spirit of Fire may be responsible. While wishful, most discount this theory as too fantastic to have any truth."

That pretty much sets it up for halowars 2 with "something has happened".

through some long and dramatic set of events the SoF will make it back before reach and be detained by ONI. OMEGA team might be released under the cover of different spartans of RED Team or just be heavily advised not to say anything.




OMEGA team wasn't on the SoF after acardi, only the three of Red team.

Also, I'll again point out that the "detaining" theory is foolish, as they couldn't hide bringing the SoF to unload it's supplies, and they wouldn't put themselves short what... 10k+ UNSC personnel?

Also, like hell that many people would simply sit on their asses going "Oh, sure we'll sit here and not help defend the UNSC after meeting our friends and loved ones so they know we are alive." The ship wouldn't be labeled lost with all hands, as it would have returned...

  • 05.13.2011 10:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
"One final theory, posed by the father of Professor Ellen Anders, the civilian scientist aboard Spirit of Fire, is that the ship is unable to get home or somehow disabled. He claims to have talked to sources inside the Office of Naval Intelligence that a huge upset in the Covenant war plans happened some weeks after Spirit of Fire went missing and that intel reports inside ONI have suggested that the Spirit of Fire may be responsible. While wishful, most discount this theory as too fantastic to have any truth."

That pretty much sets it up for halowars 2 with "something has happened".

through some long and dramatic set of events the SoF will make it back before reach and be detained by ONI. OMEGA team might be released under the cover of different spartans of RED Team or just be heavily advised not to say anything.




OMEGA team wasn't on the SoF after acardi, only the three of Red team.

Also, I'll again point out that the "detaining" theory is foolish, as they couldn't hide bringing the SoF to unload it's supplies, and they wouldn't put themselves short what... 10k+ UNSC personnel?

Also, like hell that many people would simply sit on their asses going "Oh, sure we'll sit here and not help defend the UNSC after meeting our friends and loved ones so they know we are alive." The ship wouldn't be labeled lost with all hands, as it would have returned...


OMEGA team is the splinter of red team if i remember correctly. You can't have 2 red teams.


and where are you getting your numbers form? Because i honestly don't think they need that many people to run the ship after it was refitted. please give me a link saying that is the amount of crew the SoF has after it was refitted to a warship because that doesn't add up at all.

The PoA didn't even have that many people.

  • 05.13.2011 10:23 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
OMEGA team is the splinter of red team if i remember correctly. You can't have 2 red teams.


and where are you getting your numbers form? Because i honestly don't think they need that many people to run the ship after it was refitted. please give me a link saying that is the amount of crew the SoF has after it was refitted to a warship because that doesn't add up at all.

The PoA didn't even have that many people.


OMEGA team was the six spartans dropped off after they pulled out of the city on Acardi, red team was Alice, Douglas, and Jerome who were on the ship.

No, the SoF wouldn't need that many to run the ship, but it also had lots of marines. It was a colony ship after all.

http://www.halopedian.com/Phoenix-class_colony_ship

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  • 05.13.2011 10:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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I've already read that page and i am now reading every single page on every other ship.


It doesn't say that they had that many people after it was refitted. And while i understand it having marines and all It wouldn't have as many as you are stating.

Again, the PoA was suppose to assault high charity and they didn't even have a crew let alone total numbers near what you stated for the SoF.

If the SoF really did have those numbers (which it doesn't) then i am sure ONI would have brought another phoniex class vessel to had the thousands of marines (which doesn't even look right typing) to support the PoA on it's mission.


I understand humans do illogical things, but putting thousands of marines on a single ship doesn't make sense. Not to mention the fact the SoF was helping harvest for FIVE YEARS in which i am sure they would have lost personnel.

so until you can find an actual source (not halopedia) that clearly states the SoF had thousands of personal on board AFTER it was refitted than i am calling a bluff. Because no warship has had thousands of marines on it UNSC wise.

  • 05.13.2011 10:39 AM PDT

A: Spirit of fire is LARGER then the PoA.
B: PoA's mission was to stealth in, take a Covenant ship, then go to High Charity. The main force was the 20-30 Spartans.
C: Actually, it does make sense. It makes the SoF capable of assisting a planets ground defenses. They certainly have the size and room for that many marines as well as vehicles and supplies.
D: Yes, and for all we know other ships arrived to deploy marines as well.
E: Why would they deploy another refitted Colony ship full of marines to help the PoA, that honestly doesn't make sense. Commands plan hinged on the SPARTANs. They would deploy those marines elsewhere to aid in planetary defense, of you know, Reach or Earth or other Colonies.
F: The SoF was not a warship though, it was more of a personnel carrier. Other warships weren't designed to aid ground engagements.
G: After it was refitted, that wouldn't make it smaller or need any less of a crew. Instead of colonists, you have marines now.

[Edited on 05.13.2011 10:50 AM PDT]

  • 05.13.2011 10:49 AM PDT

Serina pointed the SoF at the nearest known human world, lit up the sublights, gave a short burst to get them moving, and then settled in for many, many games of solitare, hoping they don't run out of power for the cryo pods.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: Spirit of fire is LARGER then the PoA.
B: PoA's mission was to stealth in, take a Covenant ship, then go to High Charity. The main force was the 20-30 Spartans.
C: Actually, it does make sense. It makes the SoF capable of assisting a planets ground defenses. They certainly have the size and room for that many marines as well as vehicles and supplies.
D: Yes, and for all we know other ships arrived to deploy marines as well.
E: Why would they deploy another refitted Colony ship full of marines to help the PoA, that honestly doesn't make sense. Commands plan hinged on the SPARTANs. They would deploy those marines elsewhere to aid in planetary defense, of you know, Reach or Earth or other Colonies.
F: The SoF was not a warship though, it was more of a personnel carrier. Other warships weren't designed to aid ground engagements.


First off stop reciting things as if i don't know them.

Yes the SoF is bigger than the PoA, the point i am saying is there are other ships that are pretty damn big and larger than the SoF and they aren't even close to the numbers.

The only Warship i might understand having anything close to those numbers are the UNSC super carriers. What doesn't make sense is having a ship with thousands of people on it when the UNSC knows the have lost 99% of the space engagements with the covenant.

So unless the ships that supposedly have thousands of people are quickly dropping off hundreds of troops by pods, i don't understand the theoretical point of having a ship with that much personnel. Seeing how You would only need a few hundred to run the ship and for maintenance, Then you have non essentials and combat personnel. So anything around 1,000 i could understand, but thousands does not make sense to me whateoever.

The UNSC actually works with efficiency in mind when it comes to ship design and assignment. Seeing how larger ships are looked down upon for being ineffective against the covenant, I don't believe they would still be making warships (if they ever did) that require you "thousands" of people aboard after early in engagements with the covenant.

  • 05.13.2011 10:58 AM PDT

Did you ever stop to think, the SoF has not been in a space engagement?

In efficiency terms, it makes sense for the SoF to have that many marines. Why?

A: It frees up space on other combat ships.
B: It means those ships can focus entirely on killing Covenant ships, and defending themselves from boarders. The SoF could go in and reinforce the ground, while the other ships focus on combat.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Did you ever stop to think, the SoF has not been in a space engagement?

In efficiency terms, it makes sense for the SoF to have that many marines. Why?

A: It frees up space on other combat ships.
B: It means those ships can focus entirely on killing Covenant ships, and defending themselves from boarders. The SoF could go in and reinforce the ground, while the other ships focus on combat.


I highly doubt the SoF could orbit harvest for 5 years and not be in an engagement whatsoever. I understand that the UNSC wasted ships trying to take harvest but i honestly doubt the land engagements were any bigger than skirmishes. seeing how the UNSC actually won the naval battle i doubt there would be many ground troops to fight, thus your idea isn't fitting.

But if i were to say that the ground battles were large and dramatic (which they weren't) the SoF would surly use up a good amount of personnel fighting for 5 years straight.

  • 05.13.2011 11:14 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Did you ever stop to think, the SoF has not been in a space engagement?

In efficiency terms, it makes sense for the SoF to have that many marines. Why?

A: It frees up space on other combat ships.
B: It means those ships can focus entirely on killing Covenant ships, and defending themselves from boarders. The SoF could go in and reinforce the ground, while the other ships focus on combat.


I highly doubt the SoF could orbit harvest for 5 years and not be in an engagement whatsoever. I understand that the UNSC wasted ships trying to take harvest but i honestly doubt the land engagements were any bigger than skirmishes. seeing how the UNSC actually won the naval battle i doubt there would be many ground troops to fight, thus your idea isn't fitting.

But if i were to say that the ground battles were large and dramatic (which they weren't) the SoF would surly use up a good amount of personnel fighting for 5 years straight.


Just pointing out, by having a dedicated troop transport, that frees up the other ships to engage and destroy Covenant. I have seen nothing to point AGAIN the SoF having a large number of people on it.

I mean, what's the point in being able to set up bases and deploy large numbers of vehicles if you can't field the infantry alongside them?

  • 05.13.2011 11:37 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
"One final theory, posed by the father of Professor Ellen Anders, the civilian scientist aboard Spirit of Fire, is that the ship is unable to get home or somehow disabled. He claims to have talked to sources inside the Office of Naval Intelligence that a huge upset in the Covenant war plans happened some weeks after Spirit of Fire went missing and that intel reports inside ONI have suggested that the Spirit of Fire may be responsible. While wishful, most discount this theory as too fantastic to have any truth."

That pretty much sets it up for halowars 2 with "something has happened".

through some long and dramatic set of events the SoF will make it back before reach and be detained by ONI. OMEGA team might be released under the cover of different spartans of RED Team or just be heavily advised not to say anything.




Just one question? How do we know that the Mona Lisa takes place before Chief and Cortana ever got back from Alpha Halo? And if I remember correctly Rebeka shows Foccault footage recorded by Chief fighting the Flood through the Library and other places on Alpha Halo. And why would ONI detain a whole crew of capable naval personnel when they're in the middle of a war of extermination and need every able bodied person they can find to fight in the war or serve in roles that support the war effort?

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Cryo sleep, everybody. Then when a UNSC ship is searching space for planets to colenise, they find them drifting, in orbit around a planet. Towed through slipspace back to a Friendly UNSC station where the crew make full recovery and are de-breifed.

  • 05.13.2011 11:59 AM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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Now did anybody notice that planet at the end of Halo Wars? It looks a lot like Mars but with a ocean on it.
I'm not saying it is Mars but this means that the Spirit of Fire did make it to another Solar System outside the one the Shield World was located in.
Also note that at the end of it the screen goes to static and says "End Transmission."
I believe that ONI did infact find the SoF and covered up the incident with the Flood.
I'm not saying ONI killed everybody on board. It could be possible they were just assigned to other places. Now of course we know that the SoF wasn't back by Reach as SoF's section of Red Team was not on Reach.

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  • 05.13.2011 12:14 PM PDT

I actually think they ended up in the same place Master Chief did: orbiting the Legendary Planet, wondering just what the hell is going on.

  • 05.13.2011 1:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: Spirit of fire is LARGER then the PoA.
B: PoA's mission was to stealth in, take a Covenant ship, then go to High Charity. The main force was the 20-30 Spartans.
C: Actually, it does make sense. It makes the SoF capable of assisting a planets ground defenses. They certainly have the size and room for that many marines as well as vehicles and supplies.
D: Yes, and for all we know other ships arrived to deploy marines as well.
E: Why would they deploy another refitted Colony ship full of marines to help the PoA, that honestly doesn't make sense. Commands plan hinged on the SPARTANs. They would deploy those marines elsewhere to aid in planetary defense, of you know, Reach or Earth or other Colonies.
F: The SoF was not a warship though, it was more of a personnel carrier. Other warships weren't designed to aid ground engagements.
G: After it was refitted, that wouldn't make it smaller or need any less of a crew. Instead of colonists, you have marines now.


I agree.

Take a close look at part G; Pheonixes were built to carry thousands of people to new worlds for colonization. They're the perfect ship to carry great armies along with them for the ride. Just slap a MAC gun on it and you're good to go.

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