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Subject: Could Spartans customize their own armor?

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Posted by: kit_103
That small bit has been retconned. Mark V was issued in November 2551. S-IIs were beyond active that year or a small bit of the book has been changed. Nothing major.

Plus those variations could have been finished alongside the base product.

Variations are made as a result of faults within the armor. There was little to no testing/fielding of the armor for those variants to be required or even thought of. Up until the Mark V/VI we saw no variants.


Posted by: OrderedComa
Where did you hear that? I've never heard anywhere that any of the armory in Halo 3 was non-canon.

Did it ever say it was canon? During Halo 3 they were assumed non-canon. It was not until afterwards that they began being used in canonical situations that select ones became canon, such as Recon. Many of the other canon variants are non-MJOLNIR and only used for MP customization. Up until Reach/Legends, no Spartan wore anything other than the SPI and MJOLNIR base helmet variants. And yes, Spartan II's had never changed their armor until they recieved the new MJOLNIR versions which begs to question why these other variants were made ONLY for Noble.

Posted by: OrderedComa
I suggest you go check out the videos on Waypoint, they had one quite recently talking about and explaining the origins of a lot of the different armor variants. And most of it is all stuff that could have easily been carried over from the Mark IV, such as the different shoulder pieces and probably some of the chest pieces as well.

Shoulder peices are, from what I can tell, completely redundant since the do nothing to enhance the armor's performance. Same can be said for the chest pieces. This armor is a singular unit and making new variants requires integration with the shields. It isn't as easy as just slapping on a new piece of metal.

  • 05.16.2011 11:36 PM PDT

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Spartans can customize their armor remember in "Fall of Reach" Halsey gives the spartans with her some prototype parts that improve their performance (though the were mainly electrical components not armor.

  • 05.17.2011 1:51 AM PDT

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Variations are made as a result of faults within the armor. There was little to no testing/fielding of the armor for those variants to be required or even thought of. Up until the Mark V/VI we saw no variants.


Actually the CQB varient has been around since Mark IV, we don't know when it was created, but it's been a companion of Mjolner armor for quite a while now.

Did it ever say it was canon? During Halo 3 they were assumed non-canon. It was not until afterwards that they began being used in canonical situations that select ones became canon, such as Recon. Many of the other canon variants are non-MJOLNIR and only used for MP customization. Up until Reach/Legends, no Spartan wore anything other than the SPI and MJOLNIR base helmet variants. And yes, Spartan II's had never changed their armor until they recieved the new MJOLNIR versions which begs to question why these other variants were made ONLY for Noble.

Assumed non-canon by whom? I know I never assumed they were non-canon. I was under the impression that everything is canon unless otherwise stated by Bungie or 343i. Well then, several Spartans in Halo Legends would beg to differ. Daisy wore the CQB helmet and Kelly wore the EVA helmet for the mission in the Package. And we've never seen the appearance of every Spartan on every mission they underwent, there is already an established precedent that they wear other varieties than Mark IV/V/VI, I think it's a little hasty to just assume that only Noble Team wore other varieties than standard.

Shoulder peices are, from what I can tell, completely redundant since the do nothing to enhance the armor's performance. Same can be said for the chest pieces. This armor is a singular unit and making new variants requires integration with the shields. It isn't as easy as just slapping on a new piece of metal.

Um, yes it is, the system that puts out the shield is not located in the shoulders, knee guards, or the chest piece, nothing truly vital is in that location. If there is circuitry or whatever that makes the shield flow over the whole suit then that will of course be in the armor section added, but it wouldn't be so hard as you seem to think. Adding a different style to the armor is certainly not any challenge as you would seem to believe.

  • 05.18.2011 12:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Variations are made as a result of faults within the armor. There was little to no testing/fielding of the armor for those variants to be required or even thought of. Up until the Mark V/VI we saw no variants.


EVA, EOD, CQC, and Grenadier speak otherwise. Mark IV saw variants, which were then upgraded so they could be compatible with the Mark V and VI.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Actually the CQB varient has been around since Mark IV, we don't know when it was created, but it's been a companion of Mjolner armor for quite a while now.


CQB's predecessor, the CQC has been around since...2548. EVA and EOD have been around since 2531. Hell, the EVA variant is mentioned in GoO.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Daisy wore the CQB helmet


I'd chalk that up more to artistic license then anything else lol.

In the Halo Legends episode Homecoming, Daisy-023 is seen wearing what appears to be this variant of MJOLNIR armor during the Harvest Campaign. However, as the predecessor to the CQB did not enter service until 2548 this is not possible. The armor worn by Daisy-023 in Homecoming is actually an artistic license that enabled the studio to employ visual variety, while containing a minor element of canon; the color of the armor, which is meant to be an element of camouflage for the reddish desert environment she was operating in.

  • 05.18.2011 3:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Actually the CQB varient has been around since Mark IV, we don't know when it was created, but it's been a companion of Mjolner armor for quite a while now.

Assumed non-canon by whom? I know I never assumed they were non-canon. I was under the impression that everything is canon unless otherwise stated by Bungie or 343i. Well then, several Spartans in Halo Legends would beg to differ. Daisy wore the CQB helmet and Kelly wore the EVA helmet for the mission in the Package. And we've never seen the appearance of every Spartan on every mission they underwent, there is already an established precedent that they wear other varieties than Mark IV/V/VI, I think it's a little hasty to just assume that only Noble Team wore other varieties than standard.
Not originally. I'm not talking game timeline here, but canonical revisions. Until Halo ODST and Reach we did not see these variants used in canonical events, and the only ones that were actually used were just copies of existing non-MJOLNIR pieces such as the ODST helmet. Halo 3 never made an effort to make them canonical, just like the descriptions of the map locations are not necessarily canon either (at least not entirely).

I wouldn't be surprised is specific armors were used for specific missions. but why are only one or two Spartans wearing different variants for the mission? Why not the entire team to maximize their efficiency? Variants in the Halo universe don't seem to fulfill any purpose beyond just being different. Reach is the biggest suspect to the different for the sake of being different idea.

Um, yes it is, the system that puts out the shield is not located in the shoulders, knee guards, or the chest piece, nothing truly vital is in that location. If there is circuitry or whatever that makes the shield flow over the whole suit then that will of course be in the armor section added, but it wouldn't be so hard as you seem to think. Adding a different style to the armor is certainly not any challenge as you would seem to believe.
The biggest issue here is that they IMMEDIATELY had these variants for the mark V. Not only that, but Emile apparently had his Mark V long enough to scratch a giant skull in the faceplate. It doesn't make any sense how they not only got the same armor as MC (which was only JUST field tested) but also received countless variations of the armor alongside having it long enough to do large amounts of customization. The timeframe does not allow it!

  • 05.18.2011 4:11 PM PDT


Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
The biggest issue here is that they IMMEDIATELY had these variants for the mark V. Not only that, but Emile apparently had his Mark V long enough to scratch a giant skull in the faceplate. It doesn't make any sense how they not only got the same armor as MC (which was only JUST field tested) but also received countless variations of the armor alongside having it long enough to do large amounts of customization. The timeframe does not allow it!


Um, didn't Black Team have the Mark VI prototype prior to the battle of Reach?

Anyway, if I remember right, the field testing Master Chief did was half for the armor, half for the AI interface. It was to see how the he, cortana, and the armor worked together. The variants in Reach may have been fielded, as the groups who got them simply didn't have an AI plugged into the suit.

If memory is right, Grey Team had modified Mark IV. in the cover the shoulder is different.

  • 05.18.2011 5:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kaiba034
Halo Reach isn't cannon and you all know it!

hey dip-blam!- bungie says GAME CANON > BOOK CANON

I'd have to say it's up to Microsoft or 343 Industries to say what is or isn't canon since Bungie jumped ship

  • 05.18.2011 5:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um, didn't Black Team have the Mark VI prototype prior to the battle of Reach?

Not sure if it was prior, but it was a prototype for the Mark VI so I would guess not. it would be hard to field a prototype for something post what you haven't even made yet. That would be like giving developers dev kits of the PS5 when the PS4 hasn't even been mentioned. Halo Nation also states it was superior to current generation Mark V.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Anyway, if I remember right, the field testing Master Chief did was half for the armor, half for the AI interface. It was to see how the he, cortana, and the armor worked together. The variants in Reach may have been fielded, as the groups who got them simply didn't have an AI plugged into the suit.

You are correct, still the Armor had not been distributed to any Spartans until that point if I also remember correctly. Not to mention the armor that Noble 6 wears is a privately developed variant (aka, not Halsey's). It isn't even the same armor. Now I'm wondering how they made a variant of an unfinished product...

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If memory is right, Grey Team had modified Mark IV. in the cover the shoulder is different.

Most every artistic rendering of Spartan armor is different. Although I know little about Grey I don't think they had different armor. Still, a modified Mark IV is far more understandable seeing as that armor had been around for many years. Then again, Mark V was almost identical to the Mark IV save for its shielding.

  • 05.18.2011 5:32 PM PDT

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  • 05.18.2011 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um, didn't Black Team have the Mark VI prototype prior to the battle of Reach?

Not sure if it was prior, but it was a prototype for the Mark VI so I would guess not. it would be hard to field a prototype for something post what you haven't even made yet. That would be like giving developers dev kits of the PS5 when the PS4 hasn't even been mentioned. Halo Nation also states it was superior to current generation Mark V.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Anyway, if I remember right, the field testing Master Chief did was half for the armor, half for the AI interface. It was to see how the he, cortana, and the armor worked together. The variants in Reach may have been fielded, as the groups who got them simply didn't have an AI plugged into the suit.

You are correct, still the Armor had not been distributed to any Spartans until that point if I also remember correctly. Not to mention the armor that Noble 6 wears is a privately developed variant (aka, not Halsey's). It isn't even the same armor. Now I'm wondering how they made a variant of an unfinished product...

The field testing was made the same day that the Spartans received the Mark V, that was in November of 2551, so that left the private companies with some good 8 months to develop variants before Reach fell.

  • 05.18.2011 10:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The field testing was made the same day that the Spartans received the Mark V, that was in November of 2551, so that left the private companies with some good 8 months to develop variants before Reach fell.

You are correct. This does seem to make more sense in this case. Still, I would like to know exactly how these other companies got a hold of Halsey's work and if she would even want them to mess with it. Still the biggest mystery is why these variants seemed to become fashion statements for Noble rather than utilized like any armor variant would - when its needed.

  • 05.19.2011 12:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The field testing was made the same day that the Spartans received the Mark V, that was in November of 2551, so that left the private companies with some good 8 months to develop variants before Reach fell.

You are correct. This does seem to make more sense in this case. Still, I would like to know exactly how these other companies got a hold of Halsey's work and if she would even want them to mess with it. Still the biggest mystery is why these variants seemed to become fashion statements for Noble rather than utilized like any armor variant would - when its needed.


I think that with Noble being a Spec Ops Team, the army would try to lend them more commodities to better fit each designated role, like Emile, he was the CQC/Heavy Weapons specialist, so it's only natural that they would give him armor fitted for that kind of role. That is really the only explanation I've got so far, I hope it makes sense.

  • 05.19.2011 2:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I think that with Noble being a Spec Ops Team, the army would try to lend them more commodities to better fit each designated role, like Emile, he was the CQC/Heavy Weapons specialist, so it's only natural that they would give him armor fitted for that kind of role. That is really the only explanation I've got so far, I hope it makes sense.

That's understandable but what about missions where your not in close quarters? Does he just run around with a shotgun anyways? There will be missions with specific equipment designated for them but I've never heard of someone going on missions with that equipement despite it not being useful. That's kind of my point when it comes to the "fashion statement" comment.

  • 05.19.2011 11:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I think that with Noble being a Spec Ops Team, the army would try to lend them more commodities to better fit each designated role, like Emile, he was the CQC/Heavy Weapons specialist, so it's only natural that they would give him armor fitted for that kind of role. That is really the only explanation I've got so far, I hope it makes sense.

That's understandable but what about missions where your not in close quarters? Does he just run around with a shotgun anyways? There will be missions with specific equipment designated for them but I've never heard of someone going on missions with that equipement despite it not being useful. That's kind of my point when it comes to the "fashion statement" comment.


Meh, they had Jun with the sniper rifle and Carter with the DMR anyways, I doubt they'd need Emile, besides, he could always pick up an assault rifle/pistol like in New Alexandria's final cutscene.

  • 05.19.2011 12:08 PM PDT

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