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Subject: Can Oxygen and other gases go through energy shields?

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I was wondering, since energy shields can stop bullets and such, does that prevent anything?
I'm asking this because I am imagening that Elites are probably gonna sufficate if this the case.

  • 05.13.2011 10:19 PM PDT

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  • 05.13.2011 10:49 PM PDT
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It's been a long time since I read it, but I think the energy shields on Spartans (and therefore probably on Elites) only protect from objects moving faster than a certain speed.

I can't really remember though.

  • 05.13.2011 10:51 PM PDT
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If I remember correctly, it depends solely on the strength of the shield. At full strength it won't let anything through but when the strength is lowered it will let gases like oxygen through. I believe that Elites and Spartans both keep the strength at the lowest setting when they're not in combat situation.

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It's been a long time since I read it, but I think the energy shields on Spartans (and therefore probably on Elites) only protect from objects moving faster than a certain speed.

I can't really remember though.

That was only for Forerunner shields. Covenant and human shields block everything.

Edit: The air gets inside from hands and feet where the shields are usually on the lowest power settings. Fall of Reach, page 251.

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Well, I believe those shields are designed to absorb high-speed impacts. So, I don't think that shields can prevent anything. Same concept with Spartans using shields, and energy swords seem to completely overwhelm the shields due to being slow-speed motion, which those shields aren't designed for it.

Another probable proof is during halo wars, you can see spirit of fire colliding the destroyer which probably had shields up but it was gone when spirit of fire rammed to it and notice deck guns caused damage on destroyer while plasma blobs blow up deck guns and rip the hull apart.

Watch this footage. Spirit of Fire vs Covenant Destroyer in shield world

Basically, I don't those shields are designed to stop ANYTHING; only limited to high-speed object/projectile on impacts.

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I would assume so.

  • 05.13.2011 11:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: raganok99
Well, I believe those shields are designed to absorb high-speed impacts. So, I don't think that shields can prevent anything. Same concept with Spartans using shields, and energy swords seem to completely overwhelm the shields due to being slow-speed motion, which those shields aren't designed for it.

Another probable proof is during halo wars, you can see spirit of fire colliding the destroyer which probably had shields up but it was gone when spirit of fire rammed to it and notice deck guns caused damage on destroyer while plasma blobs blow up deck guns and rip the hull apart.

Watch this footage. Spirit of Fire vs Covenant Destroyer in shield world

Basically, I don't those shields are designed to stop ANYTHING; only limited to high-speed object/projectile on impacts.

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Depends on what you consider high speed. I believe combined speed of both ships matched or was higher than speed of a bullet. It could also be that the ship wasn't on alert and wasn't keeping it's shields up. That was pretty unexpectable accident and it could very well be that they didn't have enough time to put their shield systems on.

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Or, those covenant destroyer probably knew that spirit of fire somehow got through and decided to meet on head-on. There's too many probable theories how it would happened like non-alarm; unexpected accidents, etc.

Besides, I only used this evidence as valid proof to show those shields aren't simply designed to stop slow-speed object impacts.

Like, do you see any spartan surviving a lunge of energy sword? Perhaps you can test it out yourself with a friend (should be elite) and you can be spartan and see any difference. I think this shields are designed to protect anything that's high-speed projectile. My best guess would be that minimum requirement for shields to work effectively against the objects would be above of speed of bullet. Since plasma weapons are probably faster than speed of bullet or at least same degree. But swords? I'd say considerably slower than speed of bullet.

  • 05.13.2011 11:29 PM PDT

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or, that shield tech have ability to scan the object, which that is fast data like light speed. (for Covenant's shield tech is far advancer than human's sheild tech.) For these shield can bear the limited impact. The tech shield still can be destoryed like the video Tsassi2 showed. So that mean the Oxygen, the shield tech's ability to scan it to allow enter inside of shield. Other than anything, that Covenant want allow it in, will be immune in limit of impact. well I only want share my theroy...

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Well, I believe those shields are designed to absorb high-speed impacts. So, I don't think that shields can prevent anything. Same concept with Spartans using shields, and energy swords seem to completely overwhelm the shields due to being slow-speed motion, which those shields aren't designed for it.

Another probable proof is during halo wars, you can see spirit of fire colliding the destroyer which probably had shields up but it was gone when spirit of fire rammed to it and notice deck guns caused damage on destroyer while plasma blobs blow up deck guns and rip the hull apart.

Watch this footage. Spirit of Fire vs Covenant Destroyer in shield world

Basically, I don't those shields are designed to stop ANYTHING; only limited to high-speed object/projectile on impacts.

[Edited on 05.13.2011 10:55 PM PDT]

Depends on what you consider high speed. I believe combined speed of both ships matched or was higher than speed of a bullet. It could also be that the ship wasn't on alert and wasn't keeping it's shields up. That was pretty unexpectable accident and it could very well be that they didn't have enough time to put their shield systems on.

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Posted by: Tiever
or, that shield tech have ability to scan the object, which that is fast data like light speed. (for Covenant's shield tech is far advancer than human's sheild tech.) For these shield can bear the limited impact. The tech shield still can be destoryed like the video Tsassi2 showed. So that mean the Oxygen, the shield tech's ability to scan it to allow enter inside of shield. Other than anything, that Covenant want allow it in, will be immune in limit of impact. well I only want share my theroy...

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Posted by: raganok99
Well, I believe those shields are designed to absorb high-speed impacts. So, I don't think that shields can prevent anything. Same concept with Spartans using shields, and energy swords seem to completely overwhelm the shields due to being slow-speed motion, which those shields aren't designed for it.

Another probable proof is during halo wars, you can see spirit of fire colliding the destroyer which probably had shields up but it was gone when spirit of fire rammed to it and notice deck guns caused damage on destroyer while plasma blobs blow up deck guns and rip the hull apart.

Watch this footage. Spirit of Fire vs Covenant Destroyer in shield world

Basically, I don't those shields are designed to stop ANYTHING; only limited to high-speed object/projectile on impacts.

[Edited on 05.13.2011 10:55 PM PDT]

Depends on what you consider high speed. I believe combined speed of both ships matched or was higher than speed of a bullet. It could also be that the ship wasn't on alert and wasn't keeping it's shields up. That was pretty unexpectable accident and it could very well be that they didn't have enough time to put their shield systems on.


Lol, It wasn't tsaai2 showed video, I did.

Besides, that's probable theory you got there. I didn't think of that... Mhm.

  • 05.13.2011 11:38 PM PDT

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Like, do you see any spartan surviving a lunge of energy sword? Perhaps you can test it out yourself with a friend (should be elite) and you can be spartan and see any difference. I think this shields are designed to protect anything that's high-speed projectile. My best guess would be that minimum requirement for shields to work effectively against the objects would be above of speed of bullet. Since plasma weapons are probably faster than speed of bullet or at least same degree. But swords? I'd say considerably slower than speed of bullet.


well, what if it is made by same energy (offense: sword, Def: shield) so the shield can't match with same energy which it will allow in.

  • 05.13.2011 11:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tiever
or, that shield tech have ability to scan the object, which that is fast data like light speed. (for Covenant's shield tech is far advancer than human's sheild tech.) For these shield can bear the limited impact. The tech shield still can be destoryed like the video Tsassi2 showed. So that mean the Oxygen, the shield tech's ability to scan it to allow enter inside of shield. Other than anything, that Covenant want allow it in, will be immune in limit of impact. well I only want share my theroy...

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Posted by: raganok99
Well, I believe those shields are designed to absorb high-speed impacts. So, I don't think that shields can prevent anything. Same concept with Spartans using shields, and energy swords seem to completely overwhelm the shields due to being slow-speed motion, which those shields aren't designed for it.

Another probable proof is during halo wars, you can see spirit of fire colliding the destroyer which probably had shields up but it was gone when spirit of fire rammed to it and notice deck guns caused damage on destroyer while plasma blobs blow up deck guns and rip the hull apart.

Watch this footage. Spirit of Fire vs Covenant Destroyer in shield world

Basically, I don't those shields are designed to stop ANYTHING; only limited to high-speed object/projectile on impacts.

[Edited on 05.13.2011 10:55 PM PDT]

Depends on what you consider high speed. I believe combined speed of both ships matched or was higher than speed of a bullet. It could also be that the ship wasn't on alert and wasn't keeping it's shields up. That was pretty unexpectable accident and it could very well be that they didn't have enough time to put their shield systems on.


Lol, It wasn't tsaai2 showed video, I did.

Besides, that's probable theory you got there. I didn't think of that... Mhm.


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  • 05.13.2011 11:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: raganok99
Or, those covenant destroyer probably knew that spirit of fire somehow got through and decided to meet on head-on. There's too many probable theories how it would happened like non-alarm; unexpected accidents, etc.

Besides, I only used this evidence as valid proof to show those shields aren't simply designed to stop slow-speed object impacts.

Like, do you see any spartan surviving a lunge of energy sword? Perhaps you can test it out yourself with a friend (should be elite) and you can be spartan and see any difference. I think this shields are designed to protect anything that's high-speed projectile. My best guess would be that minimum requirement for shields to work effectively against the objects would be above of speed of bullet. Since plasma weapons are probably faster than speed of bullet or at least same degree. But swords? I'd say considerably slower than speed of bullet.

Energy sword doesn't penetrate shields because it's slow moving but because it's made out of plasma. Plasma combined with the fast motion gives the sword enough power to penetrate shields easily. It's same as melee but because you have the sword it goes straight through.

If the shields didn't stop slow moving projectiles, Master Chief wouldn't have felt the resistance when he tried touching his hand when he first received Mjolnir Mark V. Bottoms of his feet would also have toched the ground and he wouldn't have felt his motion as "oily".

Of course there is a chance that Elite shields are closer to Forerunner technology which means they don't block slow moving projectiles. That would mean Covenant uses many different shield technologies as we know that Jackal shields block everything. This also supports my theory of Mjolnir shields blocking everything as they are reverse engineered from Jackal shields.

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well, what if it is made by same energy (offense: sword, Def: shield) so the shield can't match with same energy which it will allow in.



Well, considering that shields were designed to stop any objects in high speed, it includes bullet and plasma. And, energy sword is entirely made of plasma and somewhat, it completely destroys the shields and kills a spartan. (evidence showed as at end of the package where emile was impaled by a zealot.)

Probably that shields can't block any objects on low speed, since it was probably designed to stop the high-speed levels of objects. Or like you said, human tech on shields are probably not advanced like covenants are but I see a problem- is that elite's shields get destroyed as spartan punches the elite out with hands. I think it showed in first strike or fall of reach, I don't remember.

And to reply at tessai2's recent respond comments:

True enough.

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  • 05.13.2011 11:48 PM PDT

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energy shields can block anything, it's just when a bombardment of projectiles hits the shield, it drains energy. Technically I guess if you had infinite energy, the shield could never go out.

  • 05.14.2011 12:34 AM PDT

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The gases can go through the shields, but the helmet has a filter that removes toxins from the air and possibly converts gas into oxygen.

  • 05.14.2011 1:07 AM PDT

ever took a second to think about what your saying here...? the Covenant Destroyer shield didn't protect it from the Spirit of Fire crashing into it, are you surprised? the Spirit of Fire is absolutely enormous! that is like getting and old fashioned old fashioned steel shield and trying to stop a freight train getting through it, its just not going to work is it? so my opinion on it, don't think shields can stop massive objects from penetrating them, like Shadow of Intent getting holed by that piece of High Charity, its a warship being commanded by an experienced commander in unfriendly territory, the shields would most certainly have been at full strength! it makes sense though, since the amount of kinetic energy Spirit of Fire was carrying would have been enormous, far far far too much for these fancy 'energy shields' to protect against.

  • 05.14.2011 10:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I was wondering, since energy shields can stop bullets and such, does that prevent anything?
I'm asking this because I am imagening that Elites are probably gonna sufficate if this the case.

Yes, they stop everything including air from passing through. Obviously energy shields were designed without the user's respiratory needs in mind. The reason Elite's don't suffocate is because they are aliens and don't have lungs, lucky for them. Spartan's on the other hand initially had lungs, but they were removed during the augmentation process, as well as their libido because there is no room for boners in MJOLNIR, and their bladder and bowls, because toilet time is a waste of time.

  • 05.14.2011 11:08 AM PDT

another point, if the shields block everything how can a SPARTAN hold a weapon without the shield being obviously visible? how can that same SPARTAN put a gun on his back, again without touching any shield or anything, can do this while under fire as well...? see this is the reason I hate shields in science fiction, they always have stupid discrepancies scattered all over them!

  • 05.14.2011 11:27 AM PDT

What a waste....

The Iroquois did not break the shields of the destroyer IT hit, and it was a much higher mass than the SoF, so it should have been going slower. Even so, the Iroquois was extremely fast. So speed doesn't seem to be a factor for Human or Covenant shields.

  • 05.14.2011 11:48 AM PDT

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The Iroquois did not break the shields of the destroyer IT hit, and it was a much higher mass than the SoF, so it should have been going slower. Even so, the Iroquois was extremely fast. So speed doesn't seem to be a factor for Human or Covenant shields.


this makes no sense...? could you clarify what your trying to get across?

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The Iroquois did not break the shields of the destroyer IT hit, and it was a much higher mass than the SoF, so it should have been going slower. Even so, the Iroquois was extremely fast. So speed doesn't seem to be a factor for Human or Covenant shields.


The Iroquois was a destroyer, the SoF a colony ship. The SoF was much bigger and had a much greater mass. The SoF should have been slower as it is not a dedicated warship, so is not expected to do extreme maneuvers.

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Posted by: Mr Naughty Body
It's been a long time since I read it, but I think the energy shields on Spartans (and therefore probably on Elites) only protect from objects moving faster than a certain speed.

I can't really remember though.

  • 05.14.2011 11:56 AM PDT

What a waste....


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Posted by: Nocbl2
The Iroquois did not break the shields of the destroyer IT hit, and it was a much higher mass than the SoF, so it should have been going slower. Even so, the Iroquois was extremely fast. So speed doesn't seem to be a factor for Human or Covenant shields.


this makes no sense...? could you clarify what your trying to get across?
Earlier people were talking about how the SoF impacted the destroyer and didn't meet shields. One person didn't believe speed was a factor in that impact and in others. What I posted supports that by showing how the Iroquois (a much larger ship than the SoF, and much slower[though being pretty fast]) also hit a destroyer, and hit shields (at a much slower speed, probably)

  • 05.14.2011 11:57 AM PDT


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Posted by: Nocbl2
The Iroquois did not break the shields of the destroyer IT hit, and it was a much higher mass than the SoF, so it should have been going slower. Even so, the Iroquois was extremely fast. So speed doesn't seem to be a factor for Human or Covenant shields.


this makes no sense...? could you clarify what your trying to get across?
Earlier people were talking about how the SoF impacted the destroyer and didn't meet shields. One person didn't believe speed was a factor in that impact and in others. What I posted supports that by showing how the Iroquois (a much larger ship than the SoF, and much slower[though being pretty fast]) also hit a destroyer, and hit shields (at a much slower speed, probably)


Um...no. The Spirit of Fire is one of the UNSC's largest ship types, and the Iroquois is one of the smaller ship variants. There is a massive size difference. Where did you get the idea that the Iroquois is bigger?

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