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Subject: Total Numbers/losses of Navy Assets (UNSC and Covenant) during the War
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I'm curious about how many ships were in UNSC/Covenant navy in before Human-Covenant War began and after the war?

My investigations were based on books, halo nation and Wikipedia with other sources. Feel free to fix any typo errors or fix things if it sounds wrong.

My investigation:

UNSC Navy:

UNSC Home Fleet: About over 100 warships
Second Fleet: Unknown number of warships
Seventh Fleet: Unknown number of warships
Sixteenth Fleet: Unknown number of warships
(since this fleets were part of the battle for earth)

Battle-groups:

Battle-Group 4: 4 warships
Battle-Group Stalingrad: 9 warships
Bliss Defense Battle-Group: 3 warships
Sixth Battle-Group: unknown number of warships
Sol Defense Group 3/A-5: 8 warships
Battle-Group Group India: 212 warships (commanded by Admiral Preston J. Cole during battle of Psi Serpentis)
Battle-Group Sierra-3: 3 warships
Battle-Group Tango: 4 warships
Battle-Group X-Ray: 40 warships (commanded by Admiral Preston J. Cole during Campaign of Harvest)

There's likely more; since prowlers, refit, repair and stations were mentioned but it was never mentioned how many.

That is what I tried my best to find all information on the UNSC navy.

My calculation on the total UNSC navy asset before Human-Covenant War occurred.

UNSC's total number of warships in entire UNSC navy: 532 warships total. (possible more, due to prowlers, unknown fleets, etc) So, make your best guess.

After Human-Covenant War: It was difficult to implement on losses; so I would say about 85% to 90% of UNSC navy asset were lost.

Now, On Covenants...

Fleet of Righteous Purpose: It probably was in hundreds of ships but most logical number would be about 200.
Fleet of Furious Redemption: Several ships (mentioned when they raided the Mars and captured Colonel Ackerson)
Fleet of Particular Justice: 314 warships (mentioned in books but halonation and halo wiki plus other sources revealed its 341 warships; I don't think that's correct number, although. So, I decided to follow the books version, so then it is 314 otherwise you guys debate about it)
Fleet of Retribution: 9 ships (mentioned during battle of Installation 00 (ark))
Fleet of Rigorous Prayer: Unknown number of warships
Regret's Fleet: 15 warships
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity: In hundreds of warships (protection fleet for High Charity)
Fleet of Glorious Consequence: Unknown numbers of warships
Truth's Fleet (protection of Unyielding Hierohanont): 500 warships

Total numbers of Covenant Navy Assets: 1,038 warships. (Note, it is gross estimation; we yet have taken account of several fleets and on High Charity's defense fleet). Aftermath of Human-Covenant War; is also unaccounted as well. My best guess would be 85 to 90% losses...

So it's end of my investigation. Feel free if you have some concerns about it or opposition against my theory; go ahead. I'll gladly to listen and try cooperate with you to implement better theory or sense of total of navy assets and its losses in (UNSC and Covenant).



[Edited on 05.14.2011 7:57 PM PDT]

  • 05.14.2011 7:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: rr2157
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Be serious, man. This is debate topic about the navy assets. If you can't properly make educated guess, let alone you had no motivation to discuss further, I will have to ask you to leave otherwise you man it up and start to discuss about it.

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  • 05.14.2011 8:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: rr2157
7.


it was actually 42

  • 05.14.2011 8:14 PM PDT

would say 1000+ personally, judging by how large human territory was during the war, the amount of ships required to maintain and patrol that territory, would be well over a thousand!

  • 05.14.2011 8:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: rr2157
7.


Be serious, man. This is debate topic about the navy assets. If you can't properly make educated guess, let alone you had no motivation to discuss further, I will have to ask you to leave otherwise you man it up and start to discuss about it.

Have a nice day.


Being part of a real-life navy, I beg that you don't tell me to man up over the internet to talk about a fictional navy. 7. Do something.

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Posted by: rr2157
Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: rr2157
7.


Be serious, man. This is debate topic about the navy assets. If you can't properly make educated guess, let alone you had no motivation to discuss further, I will have to ask you to leave otherwise you man it up and start to discuss about it.

Have a nice day.


Being part of a real-life navy, I beg that you don't tell me to man up over the internet to talk about a fictional navy. 7. Do something.


Well, I took your previous post as not serious because you said 7. Well, yeah? Can explain about that?

My bad, I didn't know that you were in real-life navy but this is bungie universe forums where HALO-related contents were discussed.

Plutonium 235

If this navy had over 1000, it wouldn't be changing factor for UNSC to win the human-covenant war? Since it was heavily mentioned that Covenant's navy far outnumber the UNSC navy.

[Edited on 05.14.2011 8:34 PM PDT]

  • 05.14.2011 8:33 PM PDT


Posted by: rr2157
Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: rr2157
7.


Be serious, man. This is debate topic about the navy assets. If you can't properly make educated guess, let alone you had no motivation to discuss further, I will have to ask you to leave otherwise you man it up and start to discuss about it.

Have a nice day.


Being part of a real-life navy, I beg that you don't tell me to man up over the internet to talk about a fictional navy. 7. Do something.


I always thought the navy was full of butt -blam!-s.

Also, UMAD?



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  • 05.14.2011 8:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dustin 6047
I remember hearing from somewhere that the UNSC had a total of 2,000 warships throughout the course of the entire war.


2,000 ships near the start of the war, from the datapads.

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Care to link that proof? I would like to read that data pad myself.

2,000 UNSC warships? Sounds bit farfetched because books or other sources probably mentioned that Covenant navy far-outnumbered the UNSC navy.

  • 05.14.2011 8:57 PM PDT

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You are off by a bit for the UNSC.

It was revealed in one of the Halo Reach data pads that the total number of ships that the UNSC possessed prior to the war was around 2000.

As for the Covenant, I took a rough stab at estimating them a while ago for another thread. I looked at the number of ships lost throughout the war (Virtually all named fleets in the Covenant were wiped out totally or partially):

~ Chi Ceti: 1
~ Second Battle of Harvest: 1
~ Alpha Aurigae: 12
~ Harvest Campaigns: At least 1
~ XI Bootis A: 8
~ Groombridge-1830: 3
~ First Battle of Arcadia: 1 (perhaps 2)
~ The Rubble: 1
~ 18 Scorpii: 1
~ Psi Serpentis: 300
~ Algolis: 1
~ The Package: 1
~ TORPEDO: 7
~ Sigma Octanus IV: 3
~ Deliver Hope Trailer: 1
~ UPPERCUT: 2
~ Reach: 210 (Or 468 with new TFoR)
~ Line Installation 1-4: ~12
~ Alpha Halo: Unknown. At the end of CE, Cortana says "An entire armada obliterated". Perhaps what was left of the Fleet of Particular Justice.
~ FIRST STRIKE: 485, UH
~ Earth: (Much) Greater than 15.
~ Cleveland: 1
~ High Charity: Unknown. Probably high.
~ Onyx: 54
~ Joyous Exultation: "Hundreds". Two massive combined fleets numbering in the hundreds, 60% wiped out.
~ The Ark: 30

~ The Great Schism: Unknown. After the war, only minor skirmishes were fought, and by 2559, Covenant ships become quite rare. The Return describes the Sangheili issue with ships. Skirmishes imply small scale engagements, so it is unlikely on the same scale as the battles for Earth or Reach, so loses would not be as significant. However, over time those loses might have come out to be a large number.

Total that we know: ~1152 (or ~1410 with TFoR re-release)

Taking into account the unknowns, like High Charity, Joyous Exultation, Earth, the battles after the end of Halo 3 and the fact that all but the latter of those battles/events almost certainly involved enormous fleets I would put the Covenant's ship numbers in at perhaps the 3000 area.

Bear in mind that the Covenant had serious reservations about whether or not they possessed enough resources to commit to a war as large as the Human-Covenant war when they wanted things like the Halo Wars Forerunner fleet.

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Posted by: anton1792
You are off by a bit for the UNSC.

It was revealed in one of the Halo Reach data pads that the total number of ships that the UNSC possessed prior to the war was around 2000.

As for the Covenant, I took a rough stab at estimating them a while ago for another thread. I looked at the number of ships lost throughout the war (Virtually all named fleets in the Covenant were wiped out totally or partially):

~ Chi Ceti: 1
~ Second Battle of Harvest: 1
~ Alpha Aurigae: 12
~ Harvest Campaigns: At least 1
~ XI Bootis A: 8
~ Groombridge-1830: 3
~ First Battle of Arcadia: 1 (perhaps 2)
~ The Rubble: 1
~ 18 Scorpii: 1
~ Psi Serpentis: 300
~ Algolis: 1
~ The Package: 1
~ TORPEDO: 7
~ Sigma Octanus IV: 3
~ Deliver Hope Trailer: 1
~ UPPERCUT: 2
~ Reach: 210 (Or 468 with new TFoR)
~ Line Installation 1-4: ~12
~ Alpha Halo: Unknown. At the end of CE, Cortana says "An entire armada obliterated". Perhaps what was left of the Fleet of Particular Justice.
~ FIRST STRIKE: 485, UH
~ Earth: (Much) Greater than 15.
~ Cleveland: 1
~ High Charity: Unknown. Probably high.
~ Onyx: 54
~ Joyous Exultation: "Hundreds". Two massive combined fleets numbering in the hundreds, 60% wiped out.
~ The Ark: 30

~ The Great Schism: Unknown. After the war, only minor skirmishes were fought, and by 2559, Covenant ships become quite rare. The Return describes the Sangheili issue with ships. Skirmishes imply small scale engagements, so it is unlikely on the same scale as the battles for Earth or Reach, so loses would not be as significant. However, over time those loses might have come out to be a large number.

Total that we know: ~1152 (or ~1410 with TFoR re-release)

Taking into account the unknowns, like High Charity, Joyous Exultation, Earth, the battles after the end of Halo 3 and the fact that all but the latter of those battles/events almost certainly involved enormous fleets I would put the Covenant's ship numbers in at perhaps the 3000 area.

Bear in mind that the Covenant had serious reservations about whether or not they possessed enough resources to commit to a war as large as the Human-Covenant war when they wanted things like the Halo Wars Forerunner fleet.


Ah! Thank for clearing it up. Now it makes sense. Thanks. But don't forget, there's always possibility that covenant probably had fail-safe plan for reservation fleet or something in case if war goes bad for them.

  • 05.14.2011 9:17 PM PDT
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A single Covenant capital ship (CCS-class) is capable of 'glassing' approximately one acre of a planet's sruface after an average of fifteen seconds of sustained fire.

Earth, one of the smaller planets inhabited by our creators, has one hundred and thirty billion acres of surface area. Thus, assuming the Covenant possesses a number of ships equal to that of the UNSC, and assuming that all of those ships are capable of generating and discharging the required power non-stop for the duration of the process, it would necessitate the combined efforts of their ships in total for a minimum of 30.3801 years to 'glass' the entire surface of Earth.


(1.3E+11 acres * 15 seconds)/[number of ships] = 30.38 years

[number of ships] = (1.3E+11 acres * 15 seconds)/30.38 years.

[number of ships] = 2000 ships.


  • 05.14.2011 9:44 PM PDT

The Covenant received so many losses throughout the entire war.

Losing 300 ships to the false death of Cole.
Losing 500 ships to the destruction of the Unyielding Hierophant.
Losing 100+ ships to the Invasion of Reach.
Losing Hundreds during the Great Schism.
Losing Hundreds to the Invasion of Earth.

It goes on forever.

  • 05.14.2011 11:35 PM PDT

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Remember that not all of these fleets were from the same time period. There could be transfers and such.
Really, we won't get a good estimate at this point in time.

  • 05.15.2011 7:30 AM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101
The Covenant received so many losses throughout the entire war.

Losing 300 ships to the false death of Cole.
Losing 500 ships to the destruction of the Unyielding Hierophant.
Losing 100+ ships to the Invasion of Reach.
Losing Hundreds during the Great Schism.
Losing Hundreds to the Invasion of Earth.

It goes on forever.


indeed, its quite impressive really, we all say the humans got their arses handed to them in space, but we really didn't! the Covenant sustain more naval losses during the war than the humans do without a shadow of a doubt, some of them were massive losses. fair enough we didn't stand a chance in direct combat but the Covenant were rather stupid a lot of the time with their assets.

that is one of the charming aspects to the Halo story, the fact we could have put up a much much better fight, given time to prepare. the Covenant made the almost fatal mistake of underestimating their opponents and they paid the price for it dearly on so many occasions, especially against the SPARTAN-II/III programs.

  • 05.15.2011 7:49 AM PDT

There were 7 ships extremely critical to the game's storylines:
Pillar of Autumn
In Amber Clad
Forward Unto Dawn
Spirit of Fire
Forerunner Dreadnought
Shadow of Intent
High Charity

Of course, there's others, like:
Say My Name
Regret's Ship
Covenant Supercarrier (Reach)
Cairo Station
Anchor 9
Unnamed Flood-controlled CCS Battlecruiser

  • 05.18.2011 7:05 PM PDT